Lord Geordie Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 No. You can pass freely from one country to another in Europe. Is that why I needed to show MY passport on a day trip to france last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominicrobed Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 I think England should have a vote to see if we still want Scotland to be part of the uk !! Works both ways ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happypig Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Schengen area is the treaty which allowed free passage for EU citizens. It effectively removed internal EU boarder controls. The Uk is not a full signatory to this and we have retained our boarder controls thanks to us being an island.... We have the " common travel area" which removes the need for some passport checks on journeys between the Uk, the island of Ireland and the Channel Islands. Scotland is likely to be part of this so no rebuilding of Hadrians wall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nial Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 So will you let us in then? If we were still here. I'm originally from Belfast and didn't move to Edinburgh to live in a banana republic. Nial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 They can get rid of the Pound and ha' the Poond instead mon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 No. You can pass freely from one country to another in Europe. Talk of putting up borders as there is concern undesirables could enter Scotland and then pass straight into England unchecked....and no I don't mean the Scots. I hope they vote to stay as part of the Union but if not then Independence means just that...on their own. Salmond wants independence so faras Government goes but he wants the security of a stable currency too....he cannot have his cake and eat it I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Schengen area is the treaty which allowed free passage for EU citizens. It effectively removed internal EU boarder controls. The Uk is not a full signatory to this and we have retained our boarder controls thanks to us being an island.... We have the " common travel area" which removes the need for some passport checks on journeys between the Uk, the island of Ireland and the Channel Islands. Scotland is likely to be part of this so no rebuilding of Hadrians wall Technically you don't need a passport - just an official ID card from your country. We don't have ID cards in the UK, so you have to use a passport, but other EU members can come to the UK by just showing their national ID card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felly100 Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Is that why I needed to show MY passport on a day trip to france last year?The reason us Brits have to carry a passport in all EU Countries is because they expect every foreign national to carry an ID card and our passport is the nearest thing we have to one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 It's either independence or it's not. Cake and eat spring to mind. I'm astonished that this daft government closed the naval shipbuilding in Plymouth and took it to Govern, a possible foreign power. Why not just move it to China and save everyone some money? There doesn't seem to be much logic to this, it's just pandering to Salmond so he can't claim he's being treated unfairly and get extra sympathy votes. Though i agree it was strange giving the ship building to govern , I cannot see Scotland becoming much of a foreign "power" if they vote for independence ( which I cannot see happening) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 .... we have retained our boarder controls thanks to us being an island.... If only that were true..... Thanks to our EU membership any person from any country anywhere in the world who enters the EU legally automatically has full right of entry into Britain. Beleaguered officials on Europe's porous periphery wave through immigrants from Africa and Asia to get rid of them, knowing that with legal right of entry they will head for wealthier northern countries and becomes someone else's problem. Our Island status is meaningless. Our borders end at Greece, Malta and Romania and Sicily and we have no control whatsoever over who crosses them, why or in what numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 It's a technicality but as their money is not printed by the Bank of England and Scotland isn't in England their money isn't legal tender anywhere else but Scotland , so they already have their own currency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 If only that were true..... Thanks to our EU membership any person from any country anywhere in the world who enters the EU legally automatically has full right of entry into Britain. Beleaguered officials on Europe's porous periphery wave through immigrants from Africa and Asia to get rid of them, knowing that with legal right of entry they will head for wealthier northern countries and becomes someone else's problem. Our Island status is meaningless. Our borders end at Greece, Malta and Romania and Sicily and we have no control whatsoever over who crosses them, why or in what numbers. They do not automatically have access to the UK unless they have an EU/EEA ID. They can be sent back unless of course they claim asylum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 They do not automatically have access to the UK unless they have an EU/EEA ID. They can be sent back unless of course they claim asylum That's what I mean. Many of them are getting the documentation so that they will move on, avoiding the need to detain and repatriate them at their point of entry. The EU has, not I suspect unwittingly, created a human migration disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Keep this on topic please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Should Scotland keep the pound? No, they should give it back, and all the rest of the money we have given them! Sorry, I'll get my coat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Here`s an interesting spin on it http://www.cityam.com/blog/1392196610/independent-scotland-should-use-pound-without-englands-permission-heres-why Last paragraph is very interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny12w Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Scotland will remain in Europe as a geographical site. That has nothing to do with the EU and free passage, it raises an interesting point, Scotland as such has never joined the EU, so where would they stand on that if given FULL independence? scotland shouldn't be allowed to keep the pound. they won't get the euro either because spain will veto their entry into europe. the reason why is because spain is worried that catalonia wants independence & then there will be a precedence of a country getting independence & going straight into europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 scotland shouldn't be allowed to keep the pound. they won't get the euro either because spain will veto their entry into europe. the reason why is because spain is worried that catalonia wants independence & then there will be a precedence of a country getting independence & going straight into europe. Spain wants Scotlands fish soI think its a fine line..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piebob Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Here`s an interesting spin on it http://www.cityam.com/blog/1392196610/independent-scotland-should-use-pound-without-englands-permission-heres-why Interesting indeed. Now, who's view should I respect more? PW analysts or a Director of the Adam Smith Institute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felly100 Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Spain wants Scotlands fish soI think its a fine line..... About 4lb breaking strain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Well I have never known a Scot to part with one.so I guess they will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 (edited) If the Scots want to go it alone then they should factor in the change in currency as well. Without any control on an independent economic policy, why would we risk it - accept controls or ,lose it (the pound) - the extent of those controls should be spelled out asap. I think they should create a new currency the 'jock' which may well change to the 'joke' later. Edited February 12, 2014 by Kes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peck Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 (edited) my thoughts are that if Scotland want independence they should have a vote,(which they are doing) if they vote for independence then they should forced to relinquish the £ and stand on their own 2 feet instead of being a parasite on us. Edited February 12, 2014 by peck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobbyathome Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 i love scotland but if they decide to go indipendant then they should not keep the pound as the old saying goes you make your bed you lay on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggysreels Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Alex Salmond is missing a trick! ... if he wants an absolute victory, and l think he might just get one .. for a cert, he should invite "Eric Pickles" to Scotland ... a more obnoxious man l'd doubt you'd find ... the future looks bright with the likes of Pickles at the helm ... l wouldn't put him.in charge of steering his fat harris onto a bog seat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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