marsh man Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Hi Guys.....I read the posts most nights and when I see Motty and Kitchrat on the same one I have a little smile to myself because not only are they very good at what they do they are also very entertaining as you can guarantee towards the end of the post they are going to disagree with each other, what I will agree with is most of us were self taught and learned by mistakes as we done more of it, but we done it our own way and believed in what ever way we done it that was the way to do it. If you put the four top pigeon shots on here on a field the same day I bet no two set ups would be the same, someone might decoy close, the next one put the decoys well out , the next one will put his magnet to the right , the next one to the left and so on but the end result will be the same, they will all shoot pigeons because that's what work for them . If I thought about every thing put on here lately when I am shooting I would end up a nervous wreck, such as how fast cartridges go F P S or something, all I know when I pull the trigger it only take a spit second to connect if I hit it that is Then about shooting the first pigeon that come in, how things have been going lately if you leave the first pigeon alone there might not be a second one to shoot, then about firing two shots to close to each other, well what happens when one come in on the edge of your pattern and you miss with your first shot with a time delay its going be to far to shoot at. Then we could move on to decoy patterns , L shape, U shape, Comma, V shape, Diamond and so on All I do is tip a dozen out chuck them in different directions and set them up where they land weather its the right way or wrong way I don't know but it work for me Agree or Disagree ........Over to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 I beg to differ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krwigan Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Hi Guys.....I read the posts most nights and when I see Motty and Kitchrat on the same one I have a little smile to myself because not only are they very good at what they do they are also very entertaining as you can guarantee towards the end of the post they are going to disagree with each other, what I will agree with is most of us were self taught and learned by mistakes as we done more of it, but we done it our own way and believed in what ever way we done it that was the way to do it. If you put the four top pigeon shots on here on a field the same day I bet no two set ups would be the same, someone might decoy close, the next one put the decoys well out , the next one will put his magnet to the right , the next one to the left and so on but the end result will be the same, they will all shoot pigeons because that's what work for them . If I thought about every thing put on here lately when I am shooting I would end up a nervous wreck, such as how fast cartridges go F P S or something, all I know when I pull the trigger it only take a spit second to connect if I hit it that is Then about shooting the first pigeon that come in, how things have been going lately if you leave the first pigeon alone there might not be a second one to shoot, then about firing two shots to close to each other, well what happens when one come in on the edge of your pattern and you miss with your first shot with a time delay its going be to far to shoot at. Then we could move on to decoy patterns , L shape, U shape, Comma, V shape, Diamond and so on All I do is tip a dozen out chuck them in different directions and set them up where they land weather its the right way or wrong way I don't know but it work for me Agree or Disagree ........Over to you Wrong! ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Slinging out a dozen random decoys is all it takes to shoot pigeons. It can be just that simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Slinging out a dozen random decoys is all it takes to shoot pigeons. It can be just that simple. look boys im really sorry to say this.....but i agree 100% with motty....................yeah i know im a traitor.............all ive ever done wherever i shoot is to walk out with my shells ..sling em out.... then turn them up the right way and face a few of them into the wind and clump one or two together......stick my old drawstring flapper out to one side ...and that is it !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Marsh Man, yours is a non provocative post, but there are too many constituent parts to it to say simply that I agree with it or not. I am a very simple man and if this decoying lark was difficult or complicated I would never be able to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 look boys im really sorry to say this.....but i agree 100% with motty....................yeah i know im a traitor.............all ive ever done wherever i shoot is to walk out with my shells ..sling em out.... then turn them up the right way and face a few of them into the wind and clump one or two together......stick my old drawstring flapper out to one side ...and that is it !!!! I agree with motty as well, if your in the right field and right place that is all that's needed, ok a magnet will draw more birds in but a simple set up still works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayano3 Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 look boys im really sorry to say this.....but i agree 100% with motty....................yeah i know im a traitor.............all ive ever done wherever i shoot is to walk out with my shells ..sling em out.... then turn them up the right way and face a few of them into the wind and clump one or two together......stick my old drawstring flapper out to one side ...and that is it !!!! That's it, you Norfolk lads stick together I agree too, if the incoming pigeons are close enough to see the decoys are not quite facing the direction all the many books suggest they should be a little more worried about 28g of no6 shot coming their way...or should that be 30g of 6's or even 28g of 7.5's. I will agree though as I may only be a few miles away in South Lincolnshire/Norfolk border. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted March 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Yea you will ok Ayano3 you seem as if your on the same wave length , we have got enough migrants but one more from up north wont make much difference. I am like Jdog , like the simple way of doing things in fact I am that simple I couldn't understand two of the words he put in his post, but there you go I should have spent more time at school instead of chucking a dozen decoys out on the playing field at least I do chuck them in the right place now.........well most of the time. When I started my first decoys were made out of half round grey plastic guttering cut in about one foot lengths and painted the neck and wing bars on them.....now how simple is that. There has been a lot of write ups lately about the shortage of pigeons and all different reasons have been put on here, but with all the different battery gadgets used now such as Flappers, Peckers 2 arm and 4 arm magnets and any other contraption there brought out, so have we shot too many over the last few years and are we getting too good at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitchrat Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Hi Guys.....I read the posts most nights and when I see Motty and Kitchrat on the same one I have a little smile to myself because not only are they very good at what they do they are also very entertaining as you can guarantee towards the end of the post they are going to disagree with each other, what I will agree with is most of us were self taught and learned by mistakes as we done more of it, but we done it our own way and believed in what ever way we done it that was the way to do it. If you put the four top pigeon shots on here on a field the same day I bet no two set ups would be the same, someone might decoy close, the next one put the decoys well out , the next one will put his magnet to the right , the next one to the left and so on but the end result will be the same, they will all shoot pigeons because that's what work for them . If I thought about every thing put on here lately when I am shooting I would end up a nervous wreck, such as how fast cartridges go F P S or something, all I know when I pull the trigger it only take a spit second to connect if I hit it that is Then about shooting the first pigeon that come in, how things have been going lately if you leave the first pigeon alone there might not be a second one to shoot, then about firing two shots to close to each other, well what happens when one come in on the edge of your pattern and you miss with your first shot with a time delay its going be to far to shoot at. Then we could move on to decoy patterns , L shape, U shape, Comma, V shape, Diamond and so on All I do is tip a dozen out chuck them in different directions and set them up where they land weather its the right way or wrong way I don't know but it work for me Agree or Disagree ........Over to you Thanks for enjoying our jousting!! I think Motty lives in a different world (sorry part of the country) to me and we both find it hard to accept how much difference it can make the shooting! As you say, this winter, if you leave the 1st bird you may not see another. This year there have been less birds about and less likely to commit.(90% of posters seem to agree) I've been struggling to get into double figures and have tried any plan to reduce the number of birds I scare away, in the hope of getting another chance later. Hence, if a group arrives, do you shoot the 1st one and get him in the bag or do you let most of them go by (they don't just dive in, one bird always susses what's going on) and hope to shoot a laggard when you will scare the others less, they often come straight back round. I DON'T KNOW!! But I do believe that a quick double-shot scares them more - they have come out with double-shot banger ropes this year. On the other hand Motty has normal numbers of birds, keen to commit, he doesn't need any cover to shoot them, just chuck a handful of decoys at random and Bob's your uncle!! I'd give up if it were that easy!! Others have partly agreed with him but always with IF you're on the right field, in the right place etc etc etc. So, I guess I just can't find the G-spot........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fse10 Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Thanks for enjoying our jousting!! I think Motty lives in a different world (sorry part of the country) to me and we both find it hard to accept how much difference it can make the shooting! As you say, this winter, if you leave the 1st bird you may not see another. This year there have been less birds about and less likely to commit.(90% of posters seem to agree) I've been struggling to get into double figures and have tried any plan to reduce the number of birds I scare away, in the hope of getting another chance later. Hence, if a group arrives, do you shoot the 1st one and get him in the bag or do you let most of them go by (they don't just dive in, one bird always susses what's going on) and hope to shoot a laggard when you will scare the others less, they often come straight back round. I DON'T KNOW!! But I do believe that a quick double-shot scares them more - they have come out with double-shot banger ropes this year. On the other hand Motty has normal numbers of birds, keen to commit, he doesn't need any cover to shoot them, just chuck a handful of decoys at random and Bob's your uncle!! I'd give up if it were that easy!! Others have partly agreed with him but always with IF you're on the right field, in the right place etc etc etc. So, I guess I just can't find the G-spot........ You can get books for that .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitchrat Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Thanks for enjoying our jousting!! I think Motty lives in a different world (sorry part of the country) to me and we both find it hard to accept how much difference it can make the shooting! As you say, this winter, if you leave the 1st bird you may not see another. This year there have been less birds about and less likely to commit.(90% of posters seem to agree) I've been struggling to get into double figures and have tried any plan to reduce the number of birds I scare away, in the hope of getting another chance later. Hence, if a group arrives, do you shoot the 1st one and get him in the bag or do you let most of them go by (they don't just dive in, one bird always susses what's going on) and hope to shoot a laggard when you will scare the others less, they often come straight back round. I DON'T KNOW!! But I do believe that a quick double-shot scares them more - they have come out with double-shot banger ropes this year. On the other hand Motty has normal numbers of birds, keen to commit, he doesn't need any cover to shoot them, just chuck a handful of decoys at random and Bob's your uncle!! I'd give up if it were that easy!! Others have partly agreed with him but always with IF you're on the right field, in the right place etc etc etc. So, I guess I just can't find the G-spot........ Addition to the above - Geography. I don't know where Motty lives but I'm led to believe that much of Norfolk is featureless "desert", with huge fields. Round here we have a heavy clay soil and the undulating fields, which could be down to 30- 40 acres are often bounded by deep ditches (which have stopped the fields being amalgamated.) The ditches are puntcuated with big (mainly) oak and ash trees, which provide an over abundance of sitty trees. These are in addition to roosting woods, cover copses etc. So MY birds have loads of places to sit and rest and watch what goes on. From here they can get a good picture of what is going on several miles away, by watching what other birds further down the line do. This may not be possible in Motty-Land, so they may have to dive straight in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitchrat Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 That's it, you Norfolk lads stick together I agree too, if the incoming pigeons are close enough to see the decoys are not quite facing the direction all the many books suggest they should be a little more worried about 28g of no6 shot coming their way...or should that be 30g of 6's or even 28g of 7.5's. I will agree though as I may only be a few miles away in South Lincolnshire/Norfolk border. There must be a pocket in Norfolk where the birds are inbred, numerous, greedy and stupid. Too easy for me, I'll stick with trying outwit my Essex Birds! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 (edited) In defence of Motty I have had good shooting without any hide by standing against a hedge with no hide on a flightline and shooting the birds as they come over. Though some areas of Norfolk do have large fields away from the Fens most of the county is not a featureless desert and in a few areas around Holt where I shoot it can be quite hilly. Edited March 27, 2014 by anser2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitchrat Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 In defence of Motty I have had good shooting without any hide by standing against a hedge on a flightline and shooting the birds as they come over. Though some areas of Norfolk do have large fields away from the Fens most of the county is not a featureless desert and in a few areas around Holt where I shoot it can be quite hilly. Yes, it CAN happen, (once to me in a lifetime) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon controller Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 The answer is simple, just think like a pigeon .!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 I agree that its not an "agree/disagree" option. There are a great many differing factors in play for it to be that precise. I think the common sense advice is to be flexible in your approach, try different things if something isn't working, don't just sit there with the, "it worked last time" approach. Every day is different, every field is different, the weathers different, etc., etc., sometimes you have to be different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 There must be a pocket in Norfolk where the birds are inbred, numerous, greedy and stupid. Too easy for me, I'll stick with trying outwit my Essex Birds! I have posted several times that I've shot good bags in a few different counties, including 100+ bags in Essex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead eye alan Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 I have posted several times that I've shot good bags in a few different counties, including 100+ bags in Essex. Ti's true.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Essex Hunter Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 From what I have learnt.....you need to be where the birds are feeding, there are other factors which can end your day very quickly (but that is for a separate debate). Having birds come from a distance in small numbers is ideal as you have the chance to kill them with out disturbing the rest, the line that birds choose to fly along should be taken advantage of if you can... I had an invite yesterday to shoot a field of rape, a few birds flying around with birds dropping in to the rape, he pointed out the line and I picked out where to set up...with in 10 mins birds we dropping in as they wanted to be there combined with decoys chucked in a random pattern it was going to be a good day as birds started to come in 2/3's. We had to leave as he had an urgent family phone call, however I left the rotary running as we were packing up and they just kept coming from a long distance.... Those birds would have been in that spot regardless, just the movement and the decoys kept them focused at a distance to kill them.. I believe the main factor in people getting a good day is the distance to where the birds are, these huge fields are very hard to cover and birds will soon flick away, sit up and go too a second field. TEH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 There must be a pocket in Norfolk where the birds are inbred, numerous, greedy and stupid. Too easy for me, I'll stick with trying outwit my Essex Birds! are you talking about the birds or the people who live here ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted March 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Cranfield is bang on, every day is different and locations are different so you try and adjust to the situation. I never find it that easy, but some days are easier than others. As far as big fields go we haven't got to many over 100 acres , most of them on the estate where I worked were in the 30 to 60 acre range. Quite a bit of my pigeon shooting is on marsh land where noise from gun fire don't make a scrape of difference as at times you cant even see the woods from where they are coming from The longer we chase them about the more we learn , but we will never learn everything about there way of life. I have been shooting them a long while now because I find them challenging , and if they stopped being a challenge I would call it a day . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosd Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Pigeon shooting is not a precise science which is why there are so many differences of opinion in "what's the best way". One this is for sure though, and that is we all have a common interest. Nothing wrong with listening to the way others do things, I for one like when I shoot with others to see how they set up, and always willing to try something new to see how it fairs. As has been said already, every day is different, so a broad knowledge helps in being able to adjust to suit the circumstance. Cos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitchrat Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 are you talking about the birds or the people who live here ... Yes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 Yes! yes ..what !........i think you are a bit jealous......because the birds down here are easier to pull...........we get more action Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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