pigeons on beans

[la bala]

My son had fifty on drilled beans today, well done stu. Eat your heart out fenboy

[steveyg]

Quality bag that..nice one

[Outlander]

Good days sport that, I had 32 over beans mid week sadly back down to earth today and back to single figures again only had 6.

Edited March 29, 2014 by Outlander

[fenboy]

My son had fifty on drilled beans today, well done stu. Eat your heart out fenboy

[pigeon controller]

Well done, result.

[fengreg]

I had a good day myself on fresh drill, just south of Sutton St James, lots and lots of pigeons, I'm so used to not seeing many I only took 75 shells so run out after two hours, with a bag of 31.

It was good to be busy.

[la bala]

I had a good day myself on fresh drill, just south of Sutton St James, lots and lots of pigeons, I'm so used to not seeing many I only took 75 shells so run out after two hours, with a bag of 31.

It was good to be busy.

Well done mate, things are looking up.

[richg]

Out on beans last Tuesday, didn't get started until after eleven as it was raining. Birds decoyed well to flapper, packed up at 5pm with 193 and 6 rooks. Fantastic day. out again next Tuesday.

Edited March 30, 2014 by richg

[ayano3]

I would have stayed until I got one more.

[motty]

I would have stayed until I got one more.

No. It doesn't count unless you have 200 pigeons.

[Wilts#Dave]

Nice bag !

[kitchrat]

I had a good day myself on fresh drill, just south of Sutton St James, lots and lots of pigeons, I'm so used to not seeing many I only took 75 shells so run out after two hours, with a bag of 31.

It was good to be busy.

Same schoolboy error!!!!!

[richg]

Here i go again, in with both feet. 31 birds for 75 shots is just not good enough. Unless it was blowing a hooly or you are Stevy Wonder this is unacceptable, yes i'm sure you had a great time blah, blah, blah. Clearly there is a basic fault in your setup or shooting technique. I wrote a piece a couple of weeks back in Countrymans Weekly on the very subject of cartridge to kill ratios. Shooting better bags is no mystery, if birds are decoying to your pattern, ie giving you chances, you should be averaging eight out of ten with your first shot, if not you are doing something wrong, the biggest mistake i see with novice guns is standing up to shoot too early, the bird sees you and flares away, timing is vital, i call it the "Shot Spot" when the bird is over the decoys or as close as it is going to get, this is the moment when smooth as silk you rise, mount and fire when the stock hits the shoulder, all in one fluid movement, with practice this will give you a kill 80% of the time thus giving you the chance of a double. You may think i am being too critical but i know so many of you out there can do better with a little help or advice. Anyway ive got my tin hat on so fire away. Rich G

[DRWC]

"31 for 75 is just not good enough"... I hope that's something to do with the date today

[marsh man]

I know what your saying richg but to get 8 / 10 take a lot practice and I mean a lot of time in the hide and the ability to use a gun. I learnt to shoot siting down at an early age and still do, sitting down have its advantages and disadvantages, being seated is more comfortable on a long day and less tiring in keep getting up and down to take a shot, but the down side is your a bit more restricted on what you can take on especially if you are getting on a bit like me. To make life a bit easier I put my decoys mainly to my left and sit there facing about 2 o clock which then give me more movement off my left shoulder. Concentration is next , I used to put 2 birds out at 35 to 40yds and if any bird crossed that line that bird was going to be shot at, from the time I saw it coming towards the pattern I would be concentrating on it even when the gun is coming in to your shoulder your still watching it and not your gun, you know where your going to place the shot so the gun should be pointing in the right place as your eyes are looking down the barrels and at the bird the same time, where some people go wrong is when a group or a pair sometimes come in and they are looking at one and then change there mind as the gun is coming up to another one which then resulting in a hurried shot as they are thinking more of the second shot than the first one , resulting in a double miss and a bit of swearing .You have also got to be confident in what you take on, if you think its to hard or you cant hit it well then you will miss it So if your looking for a better average shoot what your happy with and enjoy the challenge at the same time, if we could hit them all we would find that a bit boring and that's not the name of the game

[fenboy]

Here i go again, in with both feet. 31 birds for 75 shots is just not good enough. Unless it was blowing a hooly or you are Stevy Wonder this is unacceptable, yes i'm sure you had a great time blah, blah, blah. Clearly there is a basic fault in your setup or shooting technique. I wrote a piece a couple of weeks back in Countrymans Weekly on the very subject of cartridge to kill ratios. Shooting better bags is no mystery, if birds are decoying to your pattern, ie giving you chances, you should be averaging eight out of ten with your first shot, if not you are doing something wrong, the biggest mistake i see with novice guns is standing up to shoot too early, the bird sees you and flares away, timing is vital, i call it the "Shot Spot" when the bird is over the decoys or as close as it is going to get, this is the moment when smooth as silk you rise, mount and fire when the stock hits the shoulder, all in one fluid movement, with practice this will give you a kill 80% of the time thus giving you the chance of a double. You may think i am being too critical but i know so many of you out there can do better with a little help or advice. Anyway ive got my tin hat on so fire away. Rich G

I think you are assuming that everyone gives a fig to their cartridge to kill ratio , you are also assuming that he used 75 cartridges on easy birds over decoys but it does not mention if he did or did not in the post .

A average of around 2.5 is far from awful .

Since you have your tin hat on , i will say your post is both arrogant and you are making yourself sound like your up your own ****

[drnobsac]

I think you are assuming that everyone gives a fig to their cartridge to kill ratio , you are also assuming that he used 75 cartridges on easy birds over decoys but it does not mention if he did or did not in the post .

A average of around 2.5 is far from awful .

Since you have your tin hat on , i will say your post is both arrogant and you are making yourself sound like your up your own ****

[cocknee]

I think you are assuming that everyone gives a fig to their cartridge to kill ratio , you are also assuming that he used 75 cartridges on easy birds over decoys but it does not mention if he did or did not in the post .

A average of around 2.5 is far from awful .

Since you have your tin hat on , i will say your post is both arrogant and you are making yourself sound like your up your own ****

[dead eye alan]

Here i go again, in with both feet. 31 birds for 75 shots is just not good enough. Unless it was blowing a hooly or you are Stevy Wonder this is unacceptable, yes i'm sure you had a great time blah, blah, blah. Clearly there is a basic fault in your setup or shooting technique. I wrote a piece a couple of weeks back in Countrymans Weekly on the very subject of cartridge to kill ratios. Shooting better bags is no mystery, if birds are decoying to your pattern, ie giving you chances, you should be averaging eight out of ten with your first shot, if not you are doing something wrong, the biggest mistake i see with novice guns is standing up to shoot too early, the bird sees you and flares away, timing is vital, i call it the "Shot Spot" when the bird is over the decoys or as close as it is going to get, this is the moment when smooth as silk you rise, mount and fire when the stock hits the shoulder, all in one fluid movement, with practice this will give you a kill 80% of the time thus giving you the chance of a double. You may think i am being too critical but i know so many of you out there can do better with a little help or advice. Anyway ive got my tin hat on so fire away. Rich G

 

I think you may need more cover than just a tin hat!

[motty]

While I think RichG didn't come across as well as he could have, I tend to agree to a certain extent. While 75 shots to kill 31 pigeons isn't shocking, i'm surprised about the ratios for cartridges to kills that some people are happy with. I recently read (on this forum) that someone thought 1 pigeon for 4 shots was about average! I truly hope there are not many pigeon shooters that regularly shoot that badly.

[stiggy84arsenal]

I think you are assuming that everyone gives a fig to their cartridge to kill ratio , you are also assuming that he used 75 cartridges on easy birds over decoys but it does not mention if he did or did not in the post .

A average of around 2.5 is far from awful .

Since you have your tin hat on , i will say your post is both arrogant and you are making yourself sound like your up your own ****

 

agreed

[kitchrat]

Here i go again, in with both feet. 31 birds for 75 shots is just not good enough. Unless it was blowing a hooly or you are Stevy Wonder this is unacceptable, yes i'm sure you had a great time blah, blah, blah. Clearly there is a basic fault in your setup or shooting technique. I wrote a piece a couple of weeks back in Countrymans Weekly on the very subject of cartridge to kill ratios. Shooting better bags is no mystery, if birds are decoying to your pattern, ie giving you chances, you should be averaging eight out of ten with your first shot, if not you are doing something wrong, the biggest mistake i see with novice guns is standing up to shoot too early, the bird sees you and flares away, timing is vital, i call it the "Shot Spot" when the bird is over the decoys or as close as it is going to get, this is the moment when smooth as silk you rise, mount and fire when the stock hits the shoulder, all in one fluid movement, with practice this will give you a kill 80% of the time thus giving you the chance of a double. You may think i am being too critical but i know so many of you out there can do better with a little help or advice. Anyway ive got my tin hat on so fire away. Rich G

Depends on how well they will decoy. If they want to commit suicide, OK you should get 80%. But if they are smart/wary/not committed and pull away at 60 yards then 31/75 is brilliant!!

[dougall]

Here i go again, in with both feet. 31 birds for 75 shots is just not good enough. Unless it was blowing a hooly or you are Stevy Wonder this is unacceptable, yes i'm sure you had a great time blah, blah, blah. Clearly there is a basic fault in your setup or shooting technique. I wrote a piece a couple of weeks back in Countrymans Weekly on the very subject of cartridge to kill ratios. Shooting better bags is no mystery, if birds are decoying to your pattern, ie giving you chances, you should be averaging eight out of ten with your first shot, if not you are doing something wrong, the biggest mistake i see with novice guns is standing up to shoot too early, the bird sees you and flares away, timing is vital, i call it the "Shot Spot" when the bird is over the decoys or as close as it is going to get, this is the moment when smooth as silk you rise, mount and fire when the stock hits the shoulder, all in one fluid movement, with practice this will give you a kill 80% of the time thus giving you the chance of a double. You may think i am being too critical but i know so many of you out there can do better with a little help or advice. Anyway ive got my tin hat on so fire away. Rich G

2 to 1 is v good,how many were 2 barrels on same bird etc...was it windy/were all birds within 45 yards taken on?....If you are the type who only shoots perfectly decoying pigeons within 25 yards on sunny summer days..............Archie Coates reckoned 2-1 was good but clearly you have far more experience and are a much better shot than everybody and Digweed needs to watch out..the average shooter on sporting clays averages @ 65%,that is stood/waiting/knowing when and where.....wood pigeons ain't that predictable so there is no way on earth the average shooter can be expected to average 80% on pigeons ....forget tin hat try a cricket box next time.

[fengreg]

Bloody hell what did I say??!!

Granted my shooting is not the greatest, I have good days and bad ones, I normally end up with a rate of around 45-50% on a good day, not that I care much, it's the getting out in the fields etc, etc

Now if Kitchrat is good to his word he would be more than welcome to get in touch, invite me down the A1 to his neck of the woods, for a days shooting, where he could point out the error of my ways and correct them accordingly, I'm an open minded sort of bloke so this should be fun, if he doesn't take it too seriously.

Over too you?

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Good luck Fengreg!