robbiep Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-27315359 I often hear people deny that corvids raid nests, take eggs, kill young birds. Oops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 Of course there is no defence of corvids for their habit of taking eggs. However I think that the RSPB will put some ridiculous spin on it. I am actually amazed that the footage was released in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 Excellent - pity Max Clifford isn't around we could have recruited him to get this a little more media attention....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark@mbb Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 Crows and magpies do steal eggs we all no that but they are also natures cleaners when you see a rabbit with mixi and died you always see a crow / magpie cleaning up the mess so yes they are a pest but like every thing else they also provide a service And yes i do shoot them quite regular Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 I was walking my dog last night and saw a magpie sat on a bird box trying to get something out, not sure if it had chicks in or what it was after..but it was trying to get something out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 So what you are saying is it is quite ok for the Osprey to kill and eat anything that it likes ie rabbits other smaller birds but should a Crow do the same thing then they should all be killed going by your logic we humans are the worst of the lot there is not much that lives in this world that people do not kill and eat from cows to ants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 Osprey are piscivores, i.e. they only eat fish. So what you are saying is it is quite ok for the Osprey to kill and eat anything that it likes ie rabbits other smaller birds but should a Crow do the same thing then they should all be killed going by your logic we humans are the worst of the lot there is not much that lives in this world that people do not kill and eat from cows to ants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 There are only 250 breeding pairs of Ospreys, think there are slightly more rabbits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 Osprey are piscivores, i.e. they only eat fish. They are a bit like Pandas then a bit thick to limit your food supply to one thing I was not awere of that fact but on the other hand they are still eating the young of another animals be they fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingo15 Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 They are a bit like Pandas then a bit thick to limit your food supply to one thing I was not awere of that fact but on the other hand they are still eating the young of another animals be they fish. Yeah cause fish are in short supply these days with the eastern Europeans about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr-Sheen Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 They are a bit like Pandas then a bit thick to limit your food supply to one thing I was not awere of that fact but on the other hand they are still eating the young of another animals be they fish. I have to agree, it seems nonsensical to persecute an entire species because it is only doing what is natural to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pycoed Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 I have to agree, it seems nonsensical to persecute an entire species because it is only doing what is natural to it. So - are we to take it that you are quite happy to let rats **** all over your kitchen table, because that's what is natural to them? Or would you try to control them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 I have to agree, it seems nonsensical to persecute an entire species because it is only doing what is natural to it. Get real! Or do we have an anarchist in our midst. An armed bank robber does it naturally so should we all let them get on with their habit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 I've seen a crow take a live duckling! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 (edited) Balance, balance, balance. That's the key. Most native species have a beneficial job to do in the right numbers and in the right place. A case can be made for controlling virtually any species, where numbers and conditions indicate balance has been lost. Badgers are an obvious case in point. A handful of alien introductions could do with being exterminated altogether - rabbits, grey squirrels, mink for example. Unfortunately, vested interest and sentimentality do not make for balance. That small minority of shooters who would shoot a native species to perdition because its legal and its fun, or conserve an alien pest for their own sport and claim what they're doing is "conservation" without possessing the slightest interest nor the knowledge to assess whether that is truly the case or not are as big a nuisance as the urban Beatrix Potter fantacists of the Brian May school who want nothing shot at all. Edited May 9, 2014 by Gimlet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 Balance, balance, balance. That's the key. Most native species have a beneficial job to do in the right numbers and in the right place. A case can be made for controlling virtually any species, where numbers and conditions indicate balance has been lost. Badgers are an obvious case in point. A handful of alien introductions could do with being exterminated altogether - rabbits, grey squirrels, mink for example. Unfortunately, vested interest and sentimentality do not make for balance. That small minority of shooters who would shoot a native species to perdition because its legal and its fun, or conserve an alien pest for their own sport and claim what they're doing is "conservation" without possessing the slightest interest nor the knowledge to assess whether that is truly the case or not are as big a nuisance as the urban Beatrix Potter fantacists of the Brian May school who want nothing shot at all. But what do you think about that particular crow taking an egg belonging to that particular osprey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 (edited) meh... its nature. I do believe that due to large inhabited areas and/or current farming techniques (driven by our food requirements) we do have a corvid imbalance due to sometimes unlimited food supplies provided by..... us (in whichever form that may take).... and it is for us to address this imbalance. Edited May 9, 2014 by thepasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 So what you are saying is it is quite ok for the Osprey to kill and eat anything that it likes ie rabbits other smaller birds but should a Crow do the same thing then they should all be killed going by your logic we humans are the worst of the lot there is not much that lives in this world that people do not kill and eat from cows to ants. Er there are a lot less Ospreys than there are crows! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr-Sheen Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 Get real! Or do we have an anarchist in our midst. An armed bank robber does it naturally so should we all let them get on with their habit. No, but by shooting all crows because they might steal eggs, would be more akin to locking up all people because they might rob a bank? It was also somewhat of a wild assumption that i am an anarchist from what i said previously, but you have made it clear that you are prone to exaggeration so there is probably very little point in trying to argue with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 I must say driving around the eggshell littered farm roads, there is a lot of game birds that dont even make it to chicks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinach Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 I've seen a crow take a live duckling!And who hasn't seen drakes taking a whole clutch of ducklings.Where dose stand there. John. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinybum Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 i wonder how many raptor eggs are taken by corvids and then the local game keeper, estate, etc get the blame ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 (edited) I was walking my dog last night and saw a magpie sat on a bird box trying to get something out, not sure if it had chicks in or what it was after..but it was trying to get something out... i had 2 robins nesting in my tree, 2 young in it came home from work nest on the floor,wife herd a hell of a noise magpie had them, Edited May 10, 2014 by mossy835 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 It's estimated that 99.9% of species that ever lived are now extinct ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction ) , which makes me wonder if we should really be bothering to save pandas. Let's face it, many species are redundant, evolutionary failures, and everything we don't take with us to another planet will be extinct one day anyway. Why do we spend so much time and money saving a species that will ( soon, in a universal timescale ) be wiped out when the Sun goes super. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie57 Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 It's estimated that 99.9% of species that ever lived are now extinct ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction ) , which makes me wonder if we should really be bothering to save pandas. Let's face it, many species are redundant, evolutionary failures, and everything we don't take with us to another planet will be extinct one day anyway. Why do we spend so much time and money saving a species that will ( soon, in a universal timescale ) be wiped out when the Sun goes super. Lol......because we're human. Evolution will be dependent on the environment and the creatures that can adapt to this will thrive. If we don't protect what we have now how can this opportunity happen. You lost me on the super sun.....I'd rather concentrate on the coming weeks not millenniums. P.s I take great pleasure in reducing these nest robbers. One nil to the songbirds ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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