beesley121 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) Hi guys, I have a farm that I have been shooting on since I was 16 (now 31). Nothing much on there but it's only down the road from me and it just gets me out. I pop down most weeks without the gun to see if there anything hitting the crops but us been dead for months. Never really see the farmer bit if I want to go, I'll drop him a text and ask if it's ok. Anyway, he has cut the wheat this week and there's a few pigeons about. Sent him a text to ask if I could go today but never got a reply, so went down yesterday to see if he was about and ask him directly. I seen his brother so asked if he would ask him for me and get him to text me when he could. I got a text an hour later just saying no. He can be very funny this farmer, one minute he's ok the next he seems off with me. I text back saying ok, just hope I haven't upset you somehow. No reply I just don't get him, everyone that knows him says he's a miserable ***. Try to get him to call Me if he has any pest troubles but he never does, I always have to ask Does anyone else have a farmer like this? I run my own property maintenance business and if he asked me to of anything for him, I would, for free as a thank you for letting me shoot Edited July 30, 2014 by beesley121 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) I did have but now its another 300acres i have neighbouring one of my other permisions, I just kept being pleasant and enquiring how he was, waving as he drove past. I was after some Fox's on the next farm to his and just enquired if he had a problem with Fox's. I bloody do he replied 04.30 in the morning wakes up the dog and its barking all the time. Forgot to add the fox got sorted that very night , it must have been one of the 3 i got the first night on his land So that was my grumpy farmer who would not even speak at one time. Edited July 30, 2014 by Dougy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 I have found farmers to be an odd lot, ‘a bit like the rest of us’ I suppose it depends how their day/life is going and if they need you more than you need them! Unless you have noticed a change in his attitude/behaviour of late I would accept it as the norm and carry on regardless, by that I mean phone and ask as and when and if you see him about sometime greet him cheerily as if nothing is amiss and he might come around but I wouldn’t hold my breath!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 What i have found with phoning for new permission is there is no expression, its a piece of plastic talking no facial features no smile, no eye contact, this is how we show honesty to each other with smiles from our eyes,its human nature. Greet them face to face.Texts emails, letters IMO are blank emotionless nothings, that a majority of end with nothing. You probably caught him on a bad day, thats all, but you would not know from a text now would you, he may of just stubbed his thumb, you get what i'm trying to say. If you had of seen him these things would have noticed, and probably avoided asking the question till a more appropriate time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich1985 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 Can't fault the farmers on my permissions however I think some farmers and landowners think they are above us mere mortals and can talk to people how they want, at the end of the day if you don't shoot there land someone else will! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 I'm lucky, all of the farmers I deal with are decent people and communicate very well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 I work for a farmer and he and his wife are 2 of the nicest people you could meet but during harvest when they are working 6 am till midnight they can get a bit funny but don't mean to, you may have just caught him at a bad time as dougy said, it is harvest now wait a while and next time you see him just chat to him as you would normally, i also help another farmer lambing he even pre warns me that if he gets grumpy with me just to ignore him and carry on Colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 i had a strange one myself recently and i posted on here about it at the time, my mates perm one like yourself he has had for donkies years and the farmer who he has always got on with just lost the plot for no reason and kicked us off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 For those of you reading this who are farmers please do not take this as an insult but I have some good mates who are farmers and they can be a bit 'isolated' to the rest of the world. Some make a very good living enjoying the luxury's of the country squire, some just have a real tough time but all seem just a little detached from the world of the 'normal chap'. Their universe is the farm and work is just outside the front door with no escape 24hrs a day. They sometimes need dealing with a little differently to the average chap in the street. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 i shoot 18 farms,and all of my farmers a great, go when i like dont ask them see them now and again, just to let them know im still about, and off i go. one of the farms i never shot for over a year went back and started shooting it again and that was fine,all he said was nice to see you about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 I'm just like this as by proxy land owner People just get caught at bad times, especially around harvest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 One farm that I have been shooting on for many years, has installed an automatic gate, worked off a key fob or numbered panel. He won't give me a fob or the combination,so now I cannot drive through the farm to get to the fields where I normally shoot. Instead, I have to go around the back of the farm and walk about half a mile. Hard work when I am carrying all my decoying kit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beesley121 Posted July 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) That's what I mean, I hear all the time how nice farmers are to other shooters, I just wish he was like that. I used to go shooting there as and when I wanted, he then told me I had to let him know when I was there but it's turned into I'm asking him can I go. All he has ever said is not to shoot any partridge or pheasant, which I haven't. I asked him last season could I have a walk down the brook, it's got duck on, he told me he shoots the duck too so I said fair enough, don't want to ruin your sport so I'll just stick to the pigeons. Thinking to myself, it's better than nothing. Since the season ended, no pigeons at all so not asked could I go and have a shot, he did see me walking around once or twice without the gun and I asked if he seen any pigeons, he said no. Now that the wheats cut, there's a few pigeon about I've gave him presents as a thank you at Christmas, never left any rubbish and not pestered the life out of him but I feel I'm just in the way. I treat his land like it's his backgarden and always think about what I would be like if some stranger asked if they could shoot in my back garden. Edited July 30, 2014 by beesley121 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 I think Colin Lad and Redgum, pretty much sum it up... For one it's a busy time, and secondly, they're quite isolated. On one of my perms, there are 2 brothers that own the farm. Both are ok with me, but both are worlds apart in temperament! The one has a problem with saying "No". And even said, "If I say i'm not sure it means no" ! But he's such a nice person. The other is ok, but can be really sarcastic, and a little condescending at times.... And although I don't "Suck up" to no-one, no matter what! I do try and have some "face to face" contact when I visit their perm now and again. It's all about finding some "common ground", and "breaking down barriers". If you value your perm, i'd manufacturer an occasion, where you can "pass the time of day" with him. Just to clear the air. Good luck! Jamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 That's what I mean, I hear all the time how nice farmers are to other shooters, I just wish he was like that. I used to go shooting there as and when I wanted, he then told me I had to let him know when I was there but it's turned into I'm asking him can I go. All he has ever said is not to shoot any partridge or pheasant, which I haven't. I asked him last season could I have a walk down the brook, it's got duck on, he told me he shoots the duck too so I said fair enough, don't want to ruin your sport so I'll just stick to the pigeons. Thinking to myself, it's better than nothing. Since the season ended, no pigeons at all so not asked could I go and have a shot, he did see me walking around once or twice without the gun and I asked if he seen any pigeons, he said no. Now that the wheats cut, there's a few pigeon about I've gave him presents as a thank you at Christmas, never left any rubbish and not pestered the life out of him but I feel I'm just in the way. I treat his land like it's his backgarden and always think about what I would be like if some stranger asked if they could shoot in my back garden. Further to my recent post. Try not to take it personally. I can get a little paranoid with one of the farmers on one of my perms. (Ref last post) but in reality, he probably rarely gives you a second thought... Perhaps someone has been poaching Pheasant, or shooting his Ducks? A one to one conversation may establish if this is the case. If so, you can then re-assure him it's not you. It's also very easy to reply with a "no" to a text. It's a lot harder, (depending on personality) to say no during a phone call, or even better, a face to face "encounter". Good Luck. Jamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 i shoot 18 farms,and all of my farmers a great, go when i like dont ask them see them now and again, just to let them know im still about, and off i go. one of the farms i never shot for over a year went back and started shooting it again and that was fine,all he said was nice to see you about. is this a post to give the op some help or assure him he could of met the farmer on a bad day or is it just a post to boast about what land you have and how good you have it??? colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 I find farmers are quite straight talking, but as stubborn as their bloody animals at times. Even if he now feels he was perhaps a bit blunt for whatever reason ( we all have off days) he isn't likely to ring you with an apology (as they're never wrong either) so perhaps he may appreciate you being equally blunt and ringing him and asking him outright what it is you've done, which you'll probably find is nothing. At least you'll know one way or t'other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 Some farmers can be funny folk, but at this time of year when they are working stupid hours and are generally rushed off their feet it does not surprise me one bit if they get a little grumpy. We are rushed off our feet at the moment and people have been getting a little grumpy but its to be expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 yeah, sounds like catch him on a good day and he wont even remember. No means no it don't mean never darken my doorway again, if you had upset him by something you might have done I am sure you should hear more about it. Call again, get him a drink if he is in the local and just forget it if I were you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beesley121 Posted July 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 I would love a good chat with him but boy is he hard work to get a conversation out of. It's just nods and shakes of the head, that the best u can get out of him at times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 I would love a good chat with him but boy is he hard work to get a conversation out of. It's just nods and shakes of the head, that the best u can get out of him at times I take it his is an older gentleman? I know a few who are the same, if you catch me after a long shift sometimes you are lucky to even get me to say anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Your better off without him. Find other perms, it's your time and expense and the miserable sod can't even talk to you. You say he shoots the land himself and there are no pigeons about his land so no real loss then. Just hope he gets hammered by the pigeons and comes begging you back. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 I would love a good chat with him but boy is he hard work to get a conversation out of. It's just nods and shakes of the head, that the best u can get out of him at times He sounds like he's socially stunted; we get a few like him on the Fell bottoms, or as we say round here ' straight oft tunnip tops'. Bloody hard work; can't say what they want and can't say what they do. They leave a problem until it's totally out of control then expect you to sort it in a weekend, regardless of the law or anything else. Sheep farmers who only socialise at auction and then it's with other equally socially stunted blokes who converse in a language not too dissimilar to the noises coming from either end of their stock. So out of touch and paranoid they'll stop to watch a car go past. I've been asked on more than one occasion by some bloke on his tractor when I've parked on the roadside to take photographs of a tree or whatever...'Whats thoo on wi'?' 'Nowt' is an answer they don't know how to interpret as it leaves little scope for comeback on a public highway where they have no authority. It's all deceit; they're as sharp as a button underneath that veneer of ignorance and that vacant look as you drive past in your vehicle has noted your reg plate and detailed your vehicle down to that lump of pigeon **** on your windscreen. Must admit they're a minority, but if he sounds familiar, forget him; you're better off without him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Essex Hunter Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Hi guys, I have a farm that I have been shooting on since I was 16 (now 31). Nothing much on there but it's only down the road from me and it just gets me out. I pop down most weeks without the gun to see if there anything hitting the crops but us been dead for months. Never really see the farmer bit if I want to go, I'll drop him a text and ask if it's ok. Anyway, he has cut the wheat this week and there's a few pigeons about. Sent him a text to ask if I could go today but never got a reply, so went down yesterday to see if he was about and ask him directly. I seen his brother so asked if he would ask him for me and get him to text me when he could. I got a text an hour later just saying no. He can be very funny this farmer, one minute he's ok the next he seems off with me. I text back saying ok, just hope I haven't upset you somehow. No reply I just don't get him, everyone that knows him says he's a miserable ***. Try to get him to call Me if he has any pest troubles but he never does, I always have to ask Does anyone else have a farmer like this? I run my own property maintenance business and if he asked me to of anything for him, I would, for free as a thank you for letting me shoot Take it on the chin and get busy looing for other land, all you will do is chew on it..... It is not easy but they are what they are....good at working the land but you don't develop great people skills sitting in a tractor.... I had a farmer moan about moving a marker stick, after 7 years of ferreting 120 rabbits a year off his land... Never went back and found even better land closer... TEH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 He sounds like he's socially stunted; we get a few like him on the Fell bottoms, or as we say round here ' straight oft tunnip tops'. Bloody hard work; can't say what they want and can't say what they do. They leave a problem until it's totally out of control then expect you to sort it in a weekend, regardless of the law or anything else. Sheep farmers who only socialise at auction and then it's with other equally socially stunted blokes who converse in a language not too dissimilar to the noises coming from either end of their stock. So out of touch and paranoid they'll stop to watch a car go past. I've been asked on more than one occasion by some bloke on his tractor when I've parked on the roadside to take photographs of a tree or whatever...'Whats thoo on wi'?' 'Nowt' is an answer they don't know how to interpret as it leaves little scope for comeback on a public highway where they have no authority. It's all deceit; they're as sharp as a button underneath that veneer of ignorance and that vacant look as you drive past in your vehicle has noted your reg plate and detailed your vehicle down to that lump of pigeon **** on your windscreen. Must admit they're a minority, but if he sounds familiar, forget him; you're better off without him. You just described my friend and neighbour to a T but they are all different. I know villains and Knights of the realm, the only thing they all have in common is total dedication to a job that becomes more than a way of life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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