Mungler Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) If he has had family killed by indiscriminate bombing etc, i have some sympathy. Really? Explain? This is about a few satirical cartoons mocking their form of religion / their imaginary best friend. No one was bombed or harmed in the making of the cartoons. EDIT Just seen your clarification. I did wonder if you had banged your head As it was you I made it far more polite than I otherwise had in mind Edited January 7, 2015 by Mungler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) Same here, what with the Berlin wall and the Cold War going on, fresh out of Vietnam where we narrowly managed to keep the Commi's from changing our way of life . Then one day there were no enemies to hate and well the rest is .......................real time history. Funny timing that. sorry mate they were attacking the west in the sixties an seventies and have continued since, seems we really do have short memories.mind its not helped by the fact that they have ever changing names as with the latest IS ISIS IFA Boka Harem yemen IF etc etc back in the seventies it was the likes of the abu nidal organisation or ISA (spelling) but the trait was the same. KW Edited January 7, 2015 by kdubya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 I'd not be surprised if theres a few fatwas flying about after this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 No one was bombed or harmed in the making of the cartoons. mungler,,totally agree but they where very highly offended by the cartoons,, but still no excuse for their sick actions bud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 No one was bombed or harmed in the making of the cartoons. mungler,,totally agree but they where very highly offended by the cartoons,, but still no excuse for their sick actions bud they are seeming highly offended by everything and anything, and the more we try not to offend these highly sensitive and loving souls the worse it will get. KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longbower Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 People died today who did not bear arms, only pencils. How many more hundreds/thousands of years are we going to kill each other? A sad sad day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Only a matter of time before its in this country. The services have been planning for it for several years. If it happens in the UK the police will have to stand and watch while they wait on armed response. Unfortunately the French police didn't get a chance to use theirs on this occasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MirokuMK70 Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 I would imagine that even the perpetrators are pretty surprised to have evaded capture/death. It beggars belief that they could kill 12 people with AK47s in broad daylight in the middle of Paris and then simply just disappear. I can only assume that either this attack was very well planned or that they were just very lucky. Either way I hope they are caught very soon, as it stands there are three heavily armed and murderous individuals on the loose. It doesn't beggar belief at all - What would anyone do if the same happened out of the blue in front of you- you'd get out of the way and hope they didn't notice you! And if the armed response coppers did turn up in time they'd might as well throw their MP5's at 3 motivated blokes armed with AK's... then they made their getaway in a small hatchback - what better way to disappear in a big city.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddy boy Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 these people do like soft unarmed targets. but don't like it up 'em Mr. Mannering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
margun Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 The western world has shown itself to be highly very tolerant the past few years. How long that will last I don't know. Enough blood has been spilt in Europe to attain the freedoms we collectively enjoy, a foreign influence like Islam should not be allowed to ruin it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakk Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 religion is always the excuse ,this has been going on for ever ,my religion is best .your an infidel if you dont follow my religion will be killed as a warning to other non believers.load of tosh its about controlling others through murder and violence.what happened today is against the the teaching of islam,judaism and all other religions .so how can they say its in the name of allah ,god or jehovah.it all boils down to humans are evil control freaks and use any excuse to be in power.RIP and thoughts are with the families of the murdered people of france today.no one can justify this anymore than gassing syrians or iraqui,s . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munzy Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 religion is always the excuse ,this has been going on for ever ,my religion is best .your an infidel if you dont follow my religion will be killed as a warning to other non believers.load of tosh its about controlling others through murder and violence.what happened today is against the the teaching of islam,judaism and all other religions .so how can they say its in the name of allah ,god or jehovah.it all boils down to humans are evil control freaks and use any excuse to be in power.RIP and thoughts are with the families of the murdered people of france today.no one can justify this anymore than gassing syrians or iraqui,s . These radicals don't follow the same teachings as most Muslims. They are fed a hardcore interpretation of the Quran which DOES allow for the murder of enemies of Islam. That's the problem, religion is absolutely to blame but only because of a particular interpretation of it. It's a bit like hard line Catholics who oppose contraception and gays versus Catholics who interpret the bible differently and welcome gays and contraception. If you take away religion there is nothing to misinterpret... would we still find excuses to murder each other? Of course we would! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
margun Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 These radicals don't follow the same teachings as most Muslims. They are fed a hardcore interpretation of the Quran which DOES allow for the murder of enemies of Islam. That's the problem, religion is absolutely to blame but only because of a particular interpretation of it. It's a bit like hard line Catholics who oppose contraception and gays versus Catholics who interpret the bible differently and welcome gays and contraception. If you take away religion there is nothing to misinterpret... would we still find excuses to murder each other? Of course we would! If want to tackle a virus tackle the host Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 There is and can never be ANY justification for this event it really is as simple as that. KW Just to clarify the point i made in relation to this and Digger's reply so i am not taken out of context. Fully agree with the statement that there is no justification for today. My comment about having some sympathy if he had lost family etc in bombings related to his views in his discussion with Digger NOT with today's actions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Though in the UK it is interpreted like this? http://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/549724/Saying-something-offensive-might-be-unpleasant-but-it-is-NOT-a-hate-crime Slippery slope. Agreed, but also a fine line. KH is obnoxious but sometimes right and she has a right to express her opinion but when you start castigating someone for their skin colour or possible disability then IMHO it is over that line ( i use these as examples and am not saying KH has ever used colour or disability). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 I was deeply saddened when i read and then saw this atrocity today,my heart goes out to the innocent victims and the police who tried to help,sadly i feel it is just another step on the downward spiral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) And if the armed response coppers did turn up in time they'd might as well throw their MP5's at 3 motivated blokes armed with AK's... One armed guy here fought off three terrorists armed with AK/47 s killing one. And all he was armed with was a handgun. Edited January 7, 2015 by ordnance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 One armed guy here fought off three terrorists armed with AK/47 s killing one. And all he was armed with was a handgun. Whilst not belittling what sounds like a courageous action, there is a difference. Generally speaking I think you'll agree, those tried to murder police, soldiers civilians in your part of the world were not so hell bent on dying as a martyr in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Whilst not belittling what sounds like a courageous action, there is a difference. Generally speaking I think you'll agree, those tried to murder police, soldiers civilians in your part of the world were not so hell bent on dying as a martyr in the process. Neither were those in Paris; hence the getaway car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) Neither were those in Paris; hence the getaway car. Its not over yet. I won't be surprised if it ends in a gunfight which kills them when they get cornered, possibly after more attacks. Its probably what they want Edited January 7, 2015 by Blunderbuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Thanks Keg for the clarification. without wishing to derail the thread ( remove this post if needed mods ) is there a huge difference between the ballistic capability of an ak over an MP5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Its not over yet. I won't be surprised if it ends in a gunfight which kills them when they get cornered, possibly after more attacks. Its probably what they want I don't doubt you're wrong, but they could have had a gunfight today if that's what they wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 My thoughts are with the families of the dead police and public. let's not cloud the issues. Murder is murder and deserves punishment. Something the French are quite capable of accomplishing, I hope they do it swiftly and before another atrocity like today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liamey Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 We have a Crimean Muslim working on site. nice affable guy, likes a joke, uses the site office to pray. helps out anyone so is well thought of. I told him about the attack and the supposed reason his response was " good".We then had a heated debate and he went off on a rant about religion, the middle east, killing children the whole nine yards. absolutely stunned by his fanaticism. ( no, he's not a threat, clearly he is deeply religious ) he ended by saying Islam means peace if left alone and respected Anyone saying that was good to what happened today is a basket case. I would shop your friend to the Police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 I don't doubt you're wrong, but they could have had a gunfight today if that's what they wanted. They could you are correct. But (I'm guessing) martyrdom in a gunfight AFTER they've slaughtered as many as possible, probably suits their purposes better. I hope I'm wrong but I think they will kill again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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