goldie Posted March 8, 2015 Report Share Posted March 8, 2015 A certain person went out today to fine tune his scope on his CZ452 .17 HMR (heavy barrel) using Hornady Varmint Express 17gr red tips. After several groups of shots and scope adjustments, said person went to check target and then returned to his shooting position, made a final adjustment, loaded and fired. All he got was a "click" so thinking that he had emptied his 10 shot mag, he inserted his 2nd 10 shot mag, loaded and pulled the trigger. There was one almighty bang and flash. His plastic mag was blown to pieces and several live rounds had gouges in their casings. The palm of his left hand had bruising and a couple of small scratches and is very sore. WAS HE LUCKY!!! Will have to check tomorrow but certain that there will be 2 lumps of lead stuck in the barrel. Been shooting rifles for over 30 years and has had a round stuck in the barrel once before so should have known better and double double checked. STUPID. STUPID .STUPID Now need a new spare mag.!!! !!! !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimmie Posted March 8, 2015 Report Share Posted March 8, 2015 (edited) I had the same thing the other day, but with Remington ammo. Luckily I decided to take the bolt out and check the barrel, as something didn't feel right. Thank god I did !!!!!! Bloody scary !!!! Edited March 8, 2015 by rimmie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted March 8, 2015 Report Share Posted March 8, 2015 Just shows how even with years of experience mistakes can happen , a warning to others not to get complacent , a old friend of mine best part of 30 years ago got his shotgun out of the cabinet for some practice swings and shot a hole in his ceiling , he had put the gun away loaded and failed to check it was empty when he removed it from the cabinet. Out of interest would you not feel pressure on the bolt if it was trying to chamber a second round ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimmie Posted March 8, 2015 Report Share Posted March 8, 2015 (edited) Reportedly the bullets can very easily be pushed back into the case with .17 HMR. Iv read online of people re cycling the bolt thinking they've forgot to eject a spent round. And in doing so the new round is squashed up against the stuck bullet, thus pushing the tip inside the case !!! consequently spilling powder in the chamber !!! I'm seriously thinking about selling the HMR and getting a .17 hornet, done some maths and I could relaid the hornet for practically the same price as buying HMR ammo. Edited March 8, 2015 by rimmie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted March 8, 2015 Report Share Posted March 8, 2015 Just shows how even with years of experience mistakes can happen , a warning to others not to get complacent , a old friend of mine best part of 30 years ago got his shotgun out of the cabinet for some practice swings and shot a hole in his ceiling , he had put the gun away loaded and failed to check it was empty when he removed it from the cabinet. Out of interest would you not feel pressure on the bolt if it was trying to chamber a second round ? How on earth do you accidentally put away a loaded gun ? I hate to say it, but that is gross negligence. When I did cadets (30 years ago), safe weapon handling was an absolute. Lessons which I still use to this day - for example, when a gun goes into the cabinet, it is checked as clear. When it comes out, it is opened, and checked as clear. When it is handed to someone else, it is opened, checked and shown to them as clear. Anything else is asking for trouble. Sooner or later, it WILL go wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted March 8, 2015 Report Share Posted March 8, 2015 Had a Bloke years ago on Pheasant shooting, got out of the car Broke the gun open: cartridges from the year before still in chamber. Just shows, he never even cleaned it. You can`t believe some of the tales you get told. But they are true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted March 8, 2015 Report Share Posted March 8, 2015 How on earth do you accidentally put away a loaded gun ? I hate to say it, but that is gross negligence. When I did cadets (30 years ago), safe weapon handling was an absolute. Lessons which I still use to this day - for example, when a gun goes into the cabinet, it is checked as clear. When it comes out, it is opened, and checked as clear. When it is handed to someone else, it is opened, checked and shown to them as clear. Anything else is asking for trouble. Sooner or later, it WILL go wrong. I don't disagree with you , but people get complacent and often they are the ones who have been doing it for years . Fortunately it has yet to happen to me or indeed you but that is not to say there may come a time when it does as much as we would like to think not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted March 8, 2015 Report Share Posted March 8, 2015 Glad you are OK I also had a click last week. Opened the bolt after a while to see the bullet still in the case ....... That was a .22 lr. Must have been a bad round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldie Posted March 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2015 Just shows how even with years of experience mistakes can happen , a warning to others not to get complacent , a old friend of mine best part of 30 years ago got his shotgun out of the cabinet for some practice swings and shot a hole in his ceiling , he had put the gun away loaded and failed to check it was empty when he removed it from the cabinet. Out of interest would you not feel pressure on the bolt if it was trying to chamber a second round ? No fenboy. No pressure what so ever. When it happened a couple of years back, there was a click, no bang and when went to chamber the next round, it wouldn't go in as the 1st bullet head had only just left the casing but was only just in the barrel so was lucky with that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted March 8, 2015 Report Share Posted March 8, 2015 My mate did the exact same thing and tried pushing another round in . I ended up shouting at him to stop and when he finally realised what he almost did he said " thank you" It's a totally different sound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) How on earth do you accidentally put away a loaded gun ? I hate to say it, but that is gross negligence. When I did cadets (30 years ago), safe weapon handling was an absolute. Lessons which I still use to this day - for example, when a gun goes into the cabinet, it is checked as clear. When it comes out, it is opened, and checked as clear. When it is handed to someone else, it is opened, checked and shown to them as clear. Anything else is asking for trouble. Sooner or later, it WILL go wrong. I loaded for a gentleman last season on a rather nice estate they had duck flight on the Friday night dinner then the main day on the Saturday as I got his guns (double gun day) out of the gun room opened the one it still had one empty one live steel inside. A chat with the under keeper who looks after the gun room cleared his cock up. On meet my gun we also had a quite chat about saftey, he took it very well (don't think he could have really not) had a cracking day from then on and he didn't forget the saftey catch once. It can happen to anyone Ive also seen a senior safe training instructor mess it up on clays. Check check and then make sure. Edited March 9, 2015 by welshwarrior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Like many on here I have personal experience of at least one scary experience. I wont criticise anyone in cases such as these however as we're all human and anyone can make a mistake, which is why I absolutely 100% insist on muzzle awareness at ALL times. There are many instances of people killed with empty/unloaded guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belly47 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 I had the same thing the other day, but with Remington ammo. Luckily I decided to take the bolt out and check the barrel, as something didn't feel right. Thank god I did !!!!!! Bloody scary !!!! ive had the same thing with Remington, bullet was stuck about 2 inches along the barrel be safe guys!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Does them seem to be more the case with the HMR or is it just me? Not trying to start a big debate. Just wondering that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimmie Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 It's a HMR thing, Edgar bros did a big recall on rem HMR as people were having lots of problems with rounds with no powder in them, split cases etc....... Split case necks have been a problem for years, apparently a thing of the past according to hornady, we shall see !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 It's a HMR thing, Edgar bros did a big recall on rem HMR as people were having lots of problems with rounds with no powder in them, split cases etc....... Split case necks have been a problem for years, apparently a thing of the past according to hornady, we shall see !!! Oh cheers for that. It's a bit rubbish. Let alone the safety issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshMike Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) It's a HMR thing, Edgar bros did a big recall on rem HMR as people were having lots of problems with rounds with no powder in them, split cases etc....... Split case necks have been a problem for years, apparently a thing of the past according to hornady, we shall see !!! Glad that no more harm was done..not a nice story. I have had issues with both Hornady and Remi ammo (1 in each case). Pulled the trigger- click, unloaded the rifle and checked the case which was still full of powder and no bullet. Bolt out and mod off to see no light down the barrel. Fortunately the bullet had not made its way down the barrel so I was able to get it out with the cleaning rod. Since I had this twice I now dont go out with the .17 hmr without a cleaning rod in case it happens again. Edited March 9, 2015 by WelshMike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 I haven't had a bullet leave the case, but have had a few miss fires - at that point I cycle the bolt and make sure I check what comes out and if all intact I carry on as usual. Quite a pain if lamping at night... Incidentally hasn't happened in a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bemused Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Never happened to me but might have done if I'd not read this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Experience will not in itself stop you from making a mistake but it will often go some way in limiting its impact! I am glad that you were not seriously injured, ‘put it down to experience’ and as another hard lesson learned! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 I was telling a mate of mine about this post other day and he has been out with someone when this happened to them is this a commom fault with them 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lister22 Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 How on earth do you accidentally put away a loaded gun ? I hate to say it, but that is gross negligence. When I did cadets (30 years ago), safe weapon handling was an absolute. Lessons which I still use to this day - for example, when a gun goes into the cabinet, it is checked as clear. When it comes out, it is opened, and checked as clear. When it is handed to someone else, it is opened, checked and shown to them as clear. Anything else is asking for trouble. Sooner or later, it WILL go wrong. the human mind is a very strange largely unknown thing check and check again ps sometimes xxxx happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0850 Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 I'm rather pedantic now about checking all HMR rounds in the light at home before heading out lamping, since found 17 hornady blue tip rounds with split necks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 One of the guns got into the beaters trailer because he was a walking gun on the next drive and nobody said anything about his gun being closed. He got out first, opened his gun and there were 2 cartridges in the chambers. Inexperienced? He had won Olympic gold medals for shooting clays!!!! Those clayshooters guns do not always have auto safety!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 I got handed a 22LR Marlin lever action one night to have a look at in someones lounge, I cycled the action and a live round was ejected. Seems the old boy always kept his rifle ready to go and thought it odd that others did not. That guy has passed away now but its certainly an eye opener. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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