UKIP - merged threads

[keg]

Thanks chaps, very generous of you both.

 

I passionately believe in Great Britain and it's people, we can be brilliant, but at the same time we can be so self destructive. It genuinely upsets me when we attack it from within instead of embracing the opportunity it could provide.

 

Enough rants from me for tonight though.

Ditto and they weren't rants, just well informed comment.

 

I will always vote Tory unless something else better surfaces but locally i voted Lib Dem because he was the best man for the job.

 

I left school at the height of the '80s unemployment curve. 3.5 million but always kept in work and have embraced every opportunity i created or was offered.

Edited April 6, 2015 by keg

[Vince Green]

I will be voting Conservative, like the others said not perfect but there is nobody else, really! there is nobody else.

[keg]

Agreed.

[Boromir]

I actually cant decide who though tbh I would like to vote tory, but where I live its either Labour or SNP and I hate both as much as each other. Im maybe hoping for a Tory and UKIP coalition or A Conservative win but enough votes for UKIP to make them listen to what the people want.

 

Up here we have this tactical voting going round, sadly I cant be dealing with another referendum on Scottish independence so I might have to do the thing I dread most and vote Labour

[Sprackles]

this is sadly true...........vote UKIP get Millipede......end of recovery/debt spirals up/interest rates up/gun licences up........a general election,like it or not is a choice between Cameron or Milliband and the latter with Balls in tow is a disaster......if you shoot/breathe/work/save do anything to keep Milliband in one of his 3 kitchens

http://thomasevansukip.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/vote-tory-get-labour-vote-labour-get.html

[grrclark]

Boromir, I feel your pain, it is the same in my part of Fife. To get rid of Labour I would need to vote SNP and I simply cannot do that. I would hate them to consider that my single vote was in any shape or form an endorsement of them.

 

The Labour canvassers were at my door earlier, but i was busy writing a proposal so couldn't even enjoy the sport of having a go at them.

 

The only way that my vote is going to count is trying to get the tory candidate their deposit back.

[norfolk dumpling]

Happy for you lot to vote UKIP provided this means Labour loses your vote. However if you want to keep your guns and shooting think very carefully! Our Labour candidate (Sth Norfolk) totally opposed to guns and shooting and thinks conservation is a fact of nature and we had nothing to do with it.

[krugerandsmith]

so why aren,t we building ships and trains,and why did the people that built tornado the steam train have to go to east Germany for the boiler,cos they put it out to tender and no one in uk could build it.so ok we build cars big deal,

 

Because Maggie run our shipyards down. .... Having worked myself in the Daewoo yard in South Korea ..... making at the time 80 ships a year ... Everything computerised ....and modern.... Everything made in shop from the smallest screw to the huge ships engines ..... no outside companies This yard would not only swallow Cammel Lairds but Birkenhead also. Sorry to have to say this .... John at Lairds is doing a sterling job as are the workers but through lack of investment we have been left behind.

[keg]

 

Because Maggie run our shipyards down. .... Having worked myself in the Daewoo yard in South Korea ..... making at the time 80 ships a year ... Everything computerised ....and modern.... Everything made in shop from the smallest screw to the huge ships engines ..... no outside companies This yard would not only swallow Cammel Lairds but Birkenhead also. Sorry to have to say this .... John at Lairds is doing a sterling job as are the workers but through lack of investment we have been left behind.

No she didn't, they were already uncompetitive when she came to power because the unions would not modernise and the customers who ordered ships had no clear idea of delivery dates because of strikes. As an owner, where would you go?

 

This was the time when the unions would not allow any flexibility, a sparky could not do anything outside his role, and a chippy vice versa.

 

Yet again though, most of the problems were down to oversupply due to nationalisation under the Labour Govt in 1975-77

 

Maggie didn't run anything down, she made industries that had become fat, lazy and inefficient under years of nationalisation become lean and healthy and move away from reliance on subsidies which we could not afford then and left as a basket case going cap in hand to the IMF...Who said no.

 

Tony Benn has a lot to answer for.

[overandunder2012]

if nigel fails to get his seat and keeps to his word and resigns that will be that for ukip but of course politicians dont keep promises so he may u turn on that one when it comes to losing a nice little earner. so my question to the kippers would be if nigel bails would you still vote ukip or is ukip a dead duck if that happens?

 

ukip got lucky with nigel farage they have nobody else credible that could have taken them so far

Edited April 7, 2015 by overandunder2012

[grrclark]

No she didn't, they were already uncompetitive when she came to power because the unions would not modernise and the customers who ordered ships had no clear idea of delivery dates because of strikes. As an owner, where would you go?

 

This was the time when the unions would not allow any flexibility, a sparky could not do anything outside his role, and a chippy vice versa.

 

Yet again though, most of the problems were down to oversupply due to nationalisation under the Labour Govt in 1975-77

 

Maggie didn't run anything down, she made industries that had become fat, lazy and inefficient under years of nationalisation become lean and healthy and move away from reliance on subsidies which we could not afford then and left as a basket case going cap in hand to the IMF...Who said no.

 

Tony Benn has a lot to answer for.

Indeed, if you consider the Unipart Group, they came out of the ashes of British Leyland, a business that was crippled by strikes, inefficiency, appalling quality, poor design and woefull management.

 

Unipart adopted the Toyota Lean Production System and formed the Unipart University for workers, adopting principles first used at Ford then sharpened up by the Japanese they revolutionised themselves into what is a brilliant logistics business, they were the people who brought next day delivery to the motor trade so garages didn't have to keep huge amounts of stock and tie up cash, they then evolved that into same day delivery and in parts of London now offer delivery within an hour of ordering.

 

Their approach was copied across the world and is still used as a benchmark in many places.

 

The union rendered them commercially impotent and the Labour government of the day did nothing, Maggie gave that business the opportunity to transform itself and they took advantage.

 

South Korea is a brilliant example of where private industry transformed what was a 3rd world economy into an industrial powerhouse. Unfortunately it is also a good example where the wealthy families behind the industrial giants, the chaebols, can abuse power and privilege.

[Gordon R]

A decent thread with views at both ends of the intellectual spectrum. At one end grrclark - reasoned, intelligent argument. At the other, ack-ack with insulting idiocy.

 

No change there.

[keg]

16 pages so far though Gordon and not locked

[Mike737]

I wonder how many posts have been removed though...

 

Mike.

[rjimmer]

April fools day was yesterday.........

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[compo90]

All governments make mistakes. Both labour and tory have caused issues for us now.

 

That said, back on topic, the original eu line up was 6 countries......its now 28....... Its a vastly different organisation to when we joined and some of its agendas have changed too.

 

Coming out would save us billions, no one has disagreed that, just some have said but we get trade (I think we still would simply for market forces) some have said some areas of wales gets grants etc...(The uk would be richer so self investment could be done) some have waffled on about the economy growing, maybe it has but often at the cost of the working class.....

 

One of the tories amongst us a couple of pages back made comment about the growing population as if its a bad thing but didn't look at why its growing? Average british families now have 1.7 kids per household, the uk population should be shrinking!

 

The population is growing due to immigration, which is making the majority of the populace poorer and jobs harder to find.most of this is from eu member states.aside from robbing our national identity and diluting our culture.

 

I feel if we don't come out of the eu we will sink further, we are already taking on water and adding more to our small boat won't help.

 

I have suffered this last year financially thanks to the current/last government, with the exception of the stamp duty change.......... But on balance feel I and my family would be better off under a ukip government.

[BRYAN3]

Thank you Compo-- Spot on.

[MrM]

Just a thought here. One of UKIP's main policies is holding an EU referendum - not automatically pulling us out of Europe.

 

So what would happen if they get the largest percentage of the vote but then don't get a majority on a referendum vote? Where would that leave them bearing in mind that a corner stone of their economic policy is the £10bn saved through not having to pay EU subsidies? Would be interesting to hear the contingency position.

Edited April 7, 2015 by MrM

[AVB]

Just a thought here. One of UKIP's main policies is holding an EU referendum - not automatically pulling us out of Europe.

 

So what would happen if they get the largest percentage of the vote but then don't get a majority on a referendum vote? Where would that leave them?

When I read the UKIP policy document it mentioned withdrawing from Europe after a referendum. Interestingly no mention of the vote potentially going the other way. It appeared to say "hold referendum, exit Europe". Could be an accidental omission, could be deliberate.

[kdubya]

That traitor Blair is up here now in Sedgefield bleating on that no way should we ever have a referendum on Europe, that's it then for me come on Nige get us out.

 

KW

[TIGHTCHOKE]

That traitor Blair is up here now in Sedgefield bleating on that no way should we ever have a referendum on Europe, that's it then for me come on Nige get us out.

 

KW

 

I wish someone woulkd arrest the **** regarding war crimes!

[kdubya]

 

I wish someone woulkd arrest the **** regarding war crimes!

I'm not bothered about any offence just arrest him anyway, mind we could get him on the grounds of marrying the laughing clown from Blackpool pleasure beach.

 

KW

[keg]

Harsh..... but fair anothe chamagne socialist that has made a fortune out of the "Uman Rites" legislation his govt brought in.

[compo90]

Because ukip know the vast majority of us proletariate don't want to be in the eu, a referendum would only go one way

[AVB]

Because ukip know the vast majority of us proletariate don't want to be in the eu, a referendum would only go one way

Perhaps. But I would still feel more comfortable with the policy not assuming people would vote to leave. Saying that the Conservative policy only says that you will get a referendum not necessarily that we would exit. So you can read both whatever way you want.