Oxfordshooter Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 A couple of weeks ago I purchased a used pump action 12 bore shotgun from a local dealer who sourced it from the main importer. When the gun arrived I was over the moon as although it was a described as a B grade gun, it looked brand new. I took it to my permission in order to try it out and get used to the gun as I'd never shot a pump action before. I popped two cartridges into the mag, then just for the hell of it I thought I'd see if any more would fit in - to my surprise in went 3, 4, then 5 carts. Bearing in mind this gun was only supposed to hold two in the magazine and one up the spout, I was pretty shocked. I took the gun back to my dealer who was very apologetic and send it back to the major company who imported it for further investigation. Initially I was told that the gun could have a new magazine fitted, but that it would also have to be re-proofed which would take months. However, eventually they saw sense and fitted a new crimped magazine and shipped it back to me. As a law abiding chap, I can't help but think what would have happened to me if for any reason I was found to be in possession of a Section 1 shotgun without the correct licence - trying to prove my innocence would have been potentially stressful and very costly. So the moral of this story is to check how many cartridges your Section 2 pump or semi-auto holds as you may get a surprise. Has anybody else had an experience like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Couple of years ago my friend bought a section 2 pump from a large local dealer. One day we where out and discovered it could hold 4 in the magazine! Back to the dealer, to cut a long story short, 6 months later he got the gun back without so much as an apology! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 if i buy a pump or semi, i all ways see if it will take more then 2 carts in the mag,just to make sure, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornfree Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 What about 3.5" autos which hold 3 +1 65mm cartridges. How do you stand legally? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 I squashed my mag tube trying to unscrew it to get grit out of it (after trying the obvious other ways). I couldn't get hold of a replacement so had a local engineering firm make me one (which didn't have the crimp). I used it, with just the plastic rod inside it to stop more than 2 going in the mag, for months until I found a way of getting hold of the replacement. Strictly speaking, it wasn't legal because it wasn't permanent but I'd clearly done my best so felt reasonably comfortable, though knowing my luck I should really have stopped using it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 You bought the gun in good faith-I doubt that a Court could find you guilty of much-unless they could prove that you knew it held more shells than it should. There must be something in the water round here-speaking to a dealer the other day-a well known courier arrived at his shop after he had closed. Finding the door locked and the lights off the driver left the package round the side of the premises and left. Following day the owner turns up and finds the package......nice 12G sbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 I could would not be troubled by such a gun at all. The law in this case is a joke and police don't do dawn raids on pump action shot gun users. If a shotgun holds more than it should it does not turn the owner into a greater threat than they already are! I had such a pump for years. Now let's see, I lost how many days sleep, errm, none, zippo, zilch. The 3.5" guns take more lesser size than they should but everyone in authority conveniently over looks it! Typical British law making, stereotyping people as criminal before any crime has been committed. Self righteousness to an extreme! The op indicates how much he is a law abiding chap but in fact he became a law breaker. Not by committing a crime but by some thoughtless group of donkey's in power and armed with pens, aka experts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10gaugewannabee Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 if the op had not tried cart number three he could of owned that weapon for years untill finding that out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 ive had a couple of semi's now and out of curiosity i have checked both.... for me i have no interest in more than 2+1 in a shotgun as by the time ive 2 theres ****** all about anyway as they scarper at an alarming speed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 There are several Hatstands and Browning Maxus's around that have the 'Migratory Bird' plastic plugs in them. Check yours out and report back... My Maxus's has one, purchased in France where we have a silly rule that a shotgun can only hold 2+1 if it's smooth bore but if It has a rifled slug barrel then it can hold 5- oh, and this rifled barrel can be as short as 43cm (18") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 is there a specia license in france then for the rifled version or classed the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 They are in Cat "C" and are on either your normal 'Hunting Permit' or your 'Target Licence'. So a straightforward purchase. If we wish to jump through a couple of hoops then as some will know then Semi-Auto Rifles, Pistols and some rather special Shotguns are available ( ahhhh, just like the old UK days ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 Don't they put a bit of wood in the tube in the US? In some states you can own a shotgun which holds 7 rounds - just can't hung with more than 2 or 3 in there at any one time. So you stick a bit of wood in there to prevent that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 (edited) What about 3.5" autos which hold 3 +1 65mm cartridges. How do you stand legally? Only put 2 cartridges in and you're fine. As already said it was a bit of poorly thoughtout legislation hastily tagged in with the 1988 semi-auto full-bore rifle ban (even though Michael Ryan didn't even use a shotgun), but as we've now seen from the newly released McKay report, there's a 'wishlist' of gun bans/restrictions they've got waiting in the wings for us, they just need an excuse to get them passed. As a matter of interest i believe it was Douglas Hurd, a shooter himself, who got the shotgun restriction brought into the legislation as he didn't like semi's/pump's Edited May 1, 2015 by Breastman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo90 Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 As has been said, I would have only ever put two in so would never have realised ..... I had a baikal mp153 with the 3.5 inch chamber, only ever loaded that 2+1 in hindsight should have seen if could have squeezed more in, but never really wanted to ..... Only have break barrel guns now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossEM Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 You bought the gun in good faith-I doubt that a Court could find you guilty of much-unless they could prove that you knew it held more shells than it should. There must be something in the water round here-speaking to a dealer the other day-a well known courier arrived at his shop after he had closed. Finding the door locked and the lights off the driver left the package round the side of the premises and left. Following day the owner turns up and finds the package......nice 12G sbs Bruno was that RH who told you that? I'm sure he told me a similar story a while ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossEM Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 There are several Hatstands and Browning Maxus's around that have the 'Migratory Bird' plastic plugs in them. Check yours out and report back... My Maxus's has one, purchased in France where we have a silly rule that a shotgun can only hold 2+1 if it's smooth bore but if It has a rifled slug barrel then it can hold 5- oh, and this rifled barrel can be as short as 43cm (18") Was cleaning my mate's Hatstand a year or so ago and the plastic plug sprang out. Anyway, I replaced it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord O War Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 Check out youtube for ghost loading on semi auto's. Gun laws are a joke, particularly in this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srspower Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Lots of semi autos, and particularly those chambered for 3.5" shells, can fit an extra round up the pipe. Sure if you can fit several you should take it back but if you can 'just' fit an extra round that is normal. It has been proofed as section 2 so it's not an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happypig Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Needs proof mark on magazine tube... No mark then its not S2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord O War Posted May 3, 2015 Report Share Posted May 3, 2015 I don't recall seeing a proof on either of my semi mag tubes and they are both section 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted May 3, 2015 Report Share Posted May 3, 2015 Should be. Still a stupid mark but should be! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu nesling Posted May 3, 2015 Report Share Posted May 3, 2015 the 3 crimped tubes supplied by gunmark for my franchis have no marks whatsoever. i fitted them and gave them a good inspection first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happypig Posted May 3, 2015 Report Share Posted May 3, 2015 (edited) On my last change of address that was all feo was interested in...! Edited May 3, 2015 by happypig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happypig Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 (edited) proof marks showing compliance with the '89 magazine restrictions RM surmounting 89. It may be that post '89 guns do not need this mark I'm struggling to post a picture Edited May 4, 2015 by happypig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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