Jeremy Corbyn

[FalconFN]

I almost feel sorry for him. He is so thoroughly out of his depth and so conflicted between his ideals and playing the part of a party leader that he looks bad at doing both, mainly because you can't serve those two masters.

 

Hi didn't say he wouldnt use force but in the way he avoids giving straight answers and does not commit to anything that could be held against him later he is doing exactly what other party leaders gave done, the difference is that they do it with a level of skill, but he looks untrustworthy and incapable.

 

It is the resulting clash of idealism against realism that will ultimately show that he is not management material. Shame really as there is no effective opposition at the moment.

[grrclark]

I almost feel sorry for him. He is so thoroughly out of his depth and so conflicted between his ideals and playing the part of a party leader that he looks bad at doing both, mainly because you can't serve those two masters.

 

Hi didn't say he wouldnt use force but in the way he avoids giving straight answers and does not commit to anything that could be held against him later he is doing exactly what other party leaders gave done, the difference is that they do it with a level of skill, but he looks untrustworthy and incapable.

 

It is the resulting clash of idealism against realism that will ultimately show that he is not management material. Shame really as there is no effective opposition at the moment.

That is a wise post.

 

I suspect now that he has been sworn into the privy council and as leader of the opposition he will be exposed to all sorts of information that he was happily ignorant of in his role as an MP and that will cause him to challenge his ideals. He may well harbour dreams of making a difference in pursuit of his ideals and I daresay that he will continue to chase after a few of them, but reality will bite hard.

 

I also think that JC is going to be left much poorer for his turn at the wheel, he will be stripped bare of many of his principles which will cost him the respect of his fellow idealists and ironically what principles he manages to retain will deny him the ability to make hard and unpleasant decisions which will leave him looking weak in the eyes of others.

 

I fear that his lasting reputation will not be flattering or reflective of the man he really is.

[southman1]

Help I want to be at front of the que when the Big Bang happens so I will be vaporised and not linger and be in pain with little or no medical assistance

[Vince Green]

You forget he has made a good living out of being a plonker all these years, never had to do a real days work. No sales targets, no tough appraisals with the boss. We have kept him in cordurey trousers and sandals very comfortably all these years.

[Blackpowder]

You forget he has made a good living out of being a plonker all these years, never had to do a real days work. No sales targets, no tough appraisals with the boss. We have kept him in cordurey trousers and sandals very comfortably all these years.

Yes this is the really sad part.

 

Blackpowder

[dougall]

Lets say we had another Iranian embassy/hostage situation...well with iSIS it appears these are not really hostages at all but soon to be executed innocent prisoners...if you refute the option of killing does it not make your country an even more attractive target?It is a akin to the Trident deterrent,if you categorically state you won't use it it ain't much of a deterrent.......Corbyn is that post graduate idealist student who hangs around universities doing endless meaningless courses,with trendy badges on a tatty jacket,a mattress on the floor and his head up his rear end. Fortunately he will never get out of the theoretical library and play on the main stage.

[yod dropper]

I think he is electable. There's a swathe of the public who will always vote Labour, there's more who will only ever vote for somebody like him and there's that sizeable bunch of idealistic youngsters possibly up to 40 years old who never knew what the Labour party became not that many years back - there's been a cultural shift where we can't be seen to be 'nasty'. Idealism has nothing to do with realism.

 

I hope some of you know of 'Momentum' within Labour whereby it looks as if local members will deselect prospective MPs if they are not left wing enough and Corbyn is now seeing to it that if there were a challenge to his leadership by his MPs his name would automatically be on the ballot paper whereby he would quite likely be reselected by the membership. Do not underestimate his will or political skills.

[grrclark]

YD I think that is also a sensible post, there is a very real risk that in ostracising the left wing vote of people like Corbyn that we make it much more attractive to others and the foolish, naive, daydreamers and idealists will be drawn towards the message that he promotes.

 

I do have faith however that our populace is not so innocent or naive as to sleep walk into allowing someone like Jezza get into power. I do think that we will have a sizeable and very loud group of those who promote a left wing message, but it was ever such.

 

That is the reason that SNP are doing so well, they are the voice of the left wing and that resonates for a whole number of reasons with a very sizeable part of the Scottish electorate, as it would in the north on England or Wales. It doesn't matter that their actual actions are not so left wing, people vote for the promise. Had Jezza been in driving seat for Labour instead of Miliband I think the fortunes of the SNP would be very different.

[Gordon R]

YD I think that is also a sensible post,

 

 

grrclark - I rarely disagree with your posts, but that is a step too far. I haven't stopped laughing at the naïve notion that Corbyn could actually win an election. As for underestimating his will or political skills - I haven't seen a single sign of any political skill at all.

 

As his own Cabinet has pointed out - he hasn't made the transition from debating society to Planet Reality.

[grrclark]

 

grrclark - I rarely disagree with your posts, but that is a step too far. I haven't stopped laughing at the naïve notion that Corbyn could actually win an election. As for underestimating his will or political skills - I haven't seen a single sign of any political skill at all.

 

As his own Cabinet has pointed out - he hasn't made the transition from debating society to Planet Reality.

haha I didn't mean the bit about him winning an election, just the wider point in YD's post. I do think there are a lot of people who will gravitate towards JC and that may surprise some, but I don't think that it will ever be enough to win.

[walshie]

Police are to receive further training on the the back of JC's dislike of a shoot to kill practice.

 

Tactical options will include 'a dirty look',through to 'a stern curling of the upper lip' to a near lethal 'mild admonishment'.

 

Hows the weather on your planet Jeremy?

 

 

utter disbelief.

 

f.

 

I heard that the ones that pass this rigorous training might go on to "sarcastic comments" - but only the elite.

[dougall]

YD I think that is also a sensible post, there is a very real risk that in ostracising the left wing vote of people like Corbyn that we make it much more attractive to others and the foolish, naive, daydreamers and idealists will be drawn towards the message that he promotes.

 

I do have faith however that our populace is not so innocent or naive as to sleep walk into allowing someone like Jezza get into power. I do think that we will have a sizeable and very loud group of those who promote a left wing message, but it was ever such.

 

That is the reason that SNP are doing so well, they are the voice of the left wing and that resonates for a whole number of reasons with a very sizeable part of the Scottish electorate, as it would in the north on England or Wales. It doesn't matter that their actual actions are not so left wing, people vote for the promise. Had Jezza been in driving seat for Labour instead of Miliband I think the fortunes of the SNP would be very different.

I'm going to risk it and underestimate him...

[Chris Bb]

I do have faith however that our populace is not so innocent or naive as to sleep walk into allowing someone like Jezza get into power.

I have to disagree with that, many will vote pro Labour, or, just as importantly, anti-Tory just because, regardless of who's leading.

 

 

grrclark - I rarely disagree with your posts, but that is a step too far. I haven't stopped laughing at the naïve notion that Corbyn could actually win an election. As for underestimating his will or political skills - I haven't seen a single sign of any political skill at all.

 

As his own Cabinet has pointed out - he hasn't made the transition from debating society to Planet Reality.

 

As above, he doesn't need to, he's Labour and that's good enough for (too) many.

 

Four years from now I dread to think where we'll end up, especially if Camoron has failed to deliver 110% and is seen as a really bad guy.

[Vince Green]

Never underestimate the bully boys of the hard left and their dirty tricks. Many of them have just woken from a long sleep, dusted off their Slalinist credentials and can now get a whiff of power in the wind. They don't give a fig about Corbyn beyond the fact that he is their ticket.

[STOTTO]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34830749

 

 

Well Jerry at least you’re consistent, where’s Tom by the way??

[Wharf Rat]

From Corbyn's 16/11/15 NEC report:

"As we have seen in the recent past, there are clear dangers to us all in any kind of shoot to kill policy,”

“And we must ensure that terrorist attacks are not used to undermine the very freedoms and legal protections we are determined to defend."

"But of course I support the use of whatever proportionate and strictly necessary force is required to save life in response to attacks of the kind we saw in Paris".

[dougall]

I still stand by my previous statements that it's the best £3 I've ever spent.

was that used to buy him his suit?

[Bemused]

was that used to buy him his suit?

 

And he spent the change on his haircut.

[keg]

I think he is electable. There's a swathe of the public who will always vote Labour, there's more who will only ever vote for somebody like him and there's that sizeable bunch of idealistic youngsters possibly up to 40 years old who never knew what the Labour party became not that many years back - there's been a cultural shift where we can't be seen to be 'nasty'. Idealism has nothing to do with realism.

 

I hope some of you know of 'Momentum' within Labour whereby it looks as if local members will deselect prospective MPs if they are not left wing enough and Corbyn is now seeing to it that if there were a challenge to his leadership by his MPs his name would automatically be on the ballot paper whereby he would quite likely be reselected by the membership. Do not underestimate his will or political skills.

Very true and has always been the case. In any election, there will be those that will vote for one party and those that vote for the other. It's the ones that swing between that make and break...

[chrisjpainter]

He is in a right pickle now!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34844762

 

even those moderates who are prepared to try and make it work are now 'physically sick' about some of his comments. Hillary Benn's losing patience with him too.

[mick miller]

Of course he's electable. Just look at all the numpties that voted SNP!

[grrclark]

Of course he's electable. Just look at all the numpties that voted SNP!

As a voice of protest or just simple ideology I don't think he is electable, although he will garner support in reasonable numbers. Only when he can put forward a reasonable economic proposition will he win wide scale support, we are fairly capitalist savvy in this country and that will be his undoing.

 

Scotland is slightly different in that there is a 3 pronged approach by SNP; the first is very much nationalism and in Scotland as there is in England there is a sizeable chunk of people who will vote based on jingoism; second is the left wing rhetoric and talk of wealth equality although there is absolutely no substance to what they have put forward it resonates within Scotland as there is a disproportionate reliance on public money for all manner of reasons; thirdly is playing to Scotland's inherent nature of feeling under privileged or hard done by and it is that which annoys me more than anything as it is completely baseless and self imposed.

 

If Jezza can build a campaign like the SNP have then it will be a very different situation, but he has no luxury of time. The SNP could play the long game and JC can't.

Edited November 17, 2015 by grrclark

[subsonicnat]

We, As Responsible people who own firearms, are always telling each other not to Shoot yourself in the Foot:

This Guy Corbyn, Does it on a daily basis.. Should be revoked, Nah, They wouldn`t give him one would They.?..

[Savhmr]

Many seem to consider that Corbyn has lost what little integrity that he had left with his recent comments. Pushed on more complex foreign affairs and national affairs issues, it's growing increasingly clear that he lacks any real grounding in subjects that he should be well versed in for a person of his position. That is what will ultimately make him unelectable, and not necessarily his far left views. He just seems to spout the same old rhetoric without a clue how the world really operates around him.

 

I can understand his feelings about arming the police and it perhaps being a slippery slope to a paramilitary force but peacekeeping and security are what they need to be for the time they are in. The issues of shoot, but don't kill also demonstrate a gross lack of knowledge, not just by JC but by a lot of leftist and liberal followers who fail to grasp that all shots be that to the arm, leg or torso can prove fatal, and to stop someone in their tracks who is clearly a danger to society, then shooting to kill is the only way to use a weapon. Anything else is chance or risk taking on a number of fronts.

 

His indecision has also been clear for all to see as well as his lack of foreign policy know how, historical grasp, and his persistence in voicing strong plans if he does ascent to power to weakening our ability to defend ourselves. That, and the lack of thought for the victims of recent atrocities where keeping one's gob firmly shut would have been better than the weak and clouded messages mingled with a denial of the reality of the situation Europe and the UK find themselves in have effectively ended his career. His own back bench are now in open revolt and even members of his cabinet are baying for his blood. He ought really to do the decent thing and step down before he makes a further fool of himself and further weakens the UK. He has already damaged trade relations abroad at a time when we can ill afford that, and now he's pouring flaming oil on troubled waters because he really doesn't have a clue how the world works.

 

I admire the man for his peace-orientated thoughts. That is laudable. However, the reality of the world we live in dictates that we need to be in a much stronger position to defend ourselves against the inevitable onslaught of continued terrorism. It isn't going to go away and you cannot reason with suicide bombers and lunatics.

Edited November 17, 2015 by Savhmr

[digger]

This says it all