raphael262 Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 Got a day at the end of the season where I will be shooting extremely high pheasants and was wondering if anyone recommend any 38-45 gram loads and what shot size to use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8 90 Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) For me choke is equally as import as shot size - 32g of 4's or 5's through 3/4 & Full choke if they're "high" - would be my choice Edited December 5, 2015 by V8 90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 Rottweil Waidman shells would be ideal. Other than that look for lead duck loads, 36 or 40g of 3 or 4 shot through 3/4 chokes. If that don't bring them down they shouldn't be shot at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 what is your gun proofed to?is it 3 inch magnum?.....If you mean extreme as in 50 yards plus then you need to be pushing shot sizes 3 or 4 and loads of 40g +. If it is just good strong somerset January pheasants then 35g 5s will do the job and you should keep most of your fillings in your mouth....some folk are now going to 53g loads etc...if these are really needed I do think you need to question whether you are capable of putting that on a pheasant at 70 yards............ Hull extreme/Gamebore Blackgolds top end shells...I would go no5 shot if up to 50 yards if above 4s........to consistently kill beyond 55 yards you need choke/load/immense skill......Faulds/Carrie/Ward all max out on load and full choke and are incredible shots.....mortals like us should probably stick to sub 50 yarders.....and a 150 ft jan pheasant in some wind is plenty challenging enough...........which shoot is it?Are they really Extreme as in mentally out of range?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 Hi What gun you shooting and what experience have you had (at 17 ) of shooting pheasant at what height Don't think I'm being condescending but stick with your normal load and shoot within your capability You'll enjoy it more There rarely as high as you think 😋 Enjoy your day All the best Of Kettle on 😋😋 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 Hi What gun you shooting and what experience have you had (at 17 ) of shooting pheasant at what height Don't think I'm being condescending but stick with your normal load and shoot within your capability You'll enjoy it more There rarely as high as you think 😋 Enjoy your day All the best Of Kettle on 😋😋 Very good point I see a lot people who struggle to truly judge hieght. But if they truly are high 34-36 no4 duck load in lead with 3/4 or full choke, but get some warm up shooting on proper high towers first, the bird deserve that respect at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 Unless you are an exceedingly good shot and shooting real high birds, which, with respect you are not ,otherwise you would not be asking, I would suggest that for 50 yd birds you stick to 32gr with No 5 shot. This will give you a reliable pattern shot through full choke to do the job. Remember, pattern counts. The truly astonishing high birds, 65yd+, are for those who have already cut their teeth on 50 yd birds and I find 42gr 4's through a well regulated (and pattern tested) full choke most suitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 Depends on height, 5's have enough energy kill cleanly to 55 yards, however to pattern out to 55 yards with 5's you need 50g load at full choke to pattern, for 50 yards, 42g will get you there with full choke. Anything larger pellet size out of standard chokes lose pattern at 45 yards, even though individual pellets may kill to 70 yards but you are relying on flukes. I have used Express Super Game 42's in past and been happy with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 I found full choke to blow the pattern when using bigger shot in higher weights. Find 3/4 to throw a better pattern at distance with large loads. Test your chosen cart and choke on pattern boards at the distances your likely to shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 I found full choke to blow the pattern when using bigger shot in higher weights. Find 3/4 to throw a better pattern at distance with large loads. Test your chosen cart and choke on pattern boards at the distances your likely to shoot. My experience is the same these 40g cartridges I have patterned where poor and the 36g 4 where more and better at various range up to 60 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 Waidmainshell have been good for me as above and in my opinion the best 36g cartridge money can buy, but if you want to go upto 40g then victory mini mags have worked out the best so far! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 Think I would just watch them :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 42g 4s through 3/4 works for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.w. Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 (edited) Hi What gun you shooting and what experience have you had (at 17 ) of shooting pheasant at what height Don't think I'm being condescending but stick with your normal load and shoot within your capability You'll enjoy it more There rarely as high as you think Enjoy your day All the best Of Kettle on +1 I think old farrier forgot to mention he's speaking from experience, what great advise he's given you, best of luck young man. Edited December 6, 2015 by E.w. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raphael262 Posted December 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 what is your gun proofed to?is it 3 inch magnum?.....If you mean extreme as in 50 yards plus then you need to be pushing shot sizes 3 or 4 and loads of 40g +. If it is just good strong somerset January pheasants then 35g 5s will do the job and you should keep most of your fillings in your mouth....some folk are now going to 53g loads etc...if these are really needed I do think you need to question whether you are capable of putting that on a pheasant at 70 yards............ Hull extreme/Gamebore Blackgolds top end shells...I would go no5 shot if up to 50 yards if above 4s........to consistently kill beyond 55 yards you need choke/load/immense skill......Faulds/Carrie/Ward all max out on load and full choke and are incredible shots.....mortals like us should probably stick to sub 50 yarders.....and a 150 ft jan pheasant in some wind is plenty challenging enough...........which shoot is it?Are they really Extreme as in mentally out of range?? Yes my gun has a 3 inch chamber I will be using full choke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raphael262 Posted December 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Hi What gun you shooting and what experience have you had (at 17 ) of shooting pheasant at what height Don't think I'm being condescending but stick with your normal load and shoot within your capability You'll enjoy it more There rarely as high as you think 😋 Enjoy your day All the best Of Kettle on 😋😋 I'll probably be shooting my beretta dt10 and they are incredibly high ! My usual load is 32-36 g of 5s will they do ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 34 to 36g of 4's are what I use on the really tall stuff ..... any much more than that then I get beaten up too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 I'll probably be shooting my beretta dt10 and they are incredibly high ! My usual load is 32-36 g of 5s will they do ?Of course they'll do if they don't fall out of the sky it's not the cartridge its because you missed them 😋use what your used to !!! In my limited experience of high birds 😚 I have found heavy loads are usually a slower cartridge and changing for the day messes people up As said by Welsh warrior practice on a high tower if you can find a ground that permits the use of 4/5 shot and more than 28 grams 😟 Just enjoy the day All the best Of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 What gun you shooting and what experience have you had (at 17 ) of shooting pheasant at what height Game birds for the table lightly peppered perhaps, can rub salt into the wounds of some novice pheasant high shooting chaps! Best of luck on the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raphael262 Posted December 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Very good point I see a lot people who struggle to truly judge hieght. But if they truly are high 34-36 no4 duck load in lead with 3/4 or full choke, but get some warm up shooting on proper high towers first, the bird deserve that respect at least. I have practiced on a high tower ! Getting quite consistent with my shots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raphael262 Posted December 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Hi What gun you shooting and what experience have you had (at 17 ) of shooting pheasant at what height Don't think I'm being condescending but stick with your normal load and shoot within your capability You'll enjoy it more There rarely as high as you think 😋 Enjoy your day All the best Of Kettle on 😋😋 Also I have shot a number of days even though I'm only 17 ! I've shot enough average days only shot a couple where the birds are genuinely very high ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Extreme high pheasants are 60 to 90m high not 50m. Practicing on a high tower will not help you with those ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 As well as practising on the high tower i'd actually pay for a few lessons of a decent coach. The single most important fact is to put the shot in the right place consistantly, seen a mate bring down a cracking bird that had passed the guns with 3 all giving it 2 barrels,he brought it down with 1 from a 28G about 1/2oz of shot, it was high but not extreme high, but all about putting the shot infront of them No ammount of shot no matter how big will kill a bird if behind it or in its bum!! Nothing worse than picking up behind a team and all u see is pheasants tails twitching all day. Hard on the dogs too In the olden days they used to reccommend taking 8's for high birds as u have a far denser pattern and it's still enough for a clean kill if ur shooting in front, but in old days a high bird would not be as extreme as they are now, althou i'm sure it would still be classed as a decent bird. I think far too many folk generally shoot with to large a shot and too heavy a cartridge, not unusual to see a lot of 36+gr cartridges of 4/5's in bin and these are just average birds, no need and plus most cartridges now are travelling quite fast can ruin the meat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Video soon to be posted of a day at Brigands at the end of last season ...... some decent high ones there !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Give George a call I'm sure he can sort you some extreme cartridges or anything to suit your needs Where will you be shooting ? 😋 And would you be kind enough to tell me where you can use heavy loads and large shot to practice on high towers 40 yard plus I'm happy to travel for the practice as all my local grounds are under cpsa rules PM if you prefer I'm glad your experienced at them as its a soul destroying day if you can't hit them 😋 Enjoy the day Where's BO6 when you need him he was a high bird man 😋 Give George a call I'm sure he can sort you some extreme cartridges or anything to suit your needs Where will you be shooting ? 😋 And would you be kind enough to tell me where you can use heavy loads and large shot to practice on high towers 40 yard plus I'm happy to travel for the practice as all my local grounds are under cpsa rules PM if you prefer I'm glad your experienced at them as its a soul destroying day if you can't hit them 😋 Enjoy the day Where's BO6 when you need him he was a high bird man 😋 Video soon to be posted of a day at Brigands at the end of last season ...... some decent high ones there !!Nice day Just had a look 😋😋 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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