Gordon R Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 The dog in question was NOT on the banned breed list according to news article on BBC. "The dog, which was not a banned breed, has been put down." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 So much for Wasabi's wisdom. He is going to have to add another breed to the simplistic list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr D Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 Dogs are a bit like guns you can ban certain types but ‘guns is guns’ and ‘dogs is dogs’ and all of them are capable of killing, given a certain set of circumstances! Sure, but an automatic weapon has the potential to do a lot more damage in the hands of a crazy dude, than a single shot air pistol. If we applied that logic to the argument then we should totally remove gun control and let everyone buy whatever they want! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 I really don't get the "any dog can kill" rubbish. I've been unfortunate enough to see an Akita attack a grown man. Dogs such as Pit Bulls and Akitas have been bred for their aggressive traits. When they attack it is merciless. Due to their power they are very difficult to defend against. I know if I had the choice of being attacked by a pit bull or a labrador I know which one I would choose. +1..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 Perhaps you need to do a little research before posting such a naïve statement. Any dog could and, in the wrong circumstances, has already done so. A French woman had her face ripped off by a Labrador, a few years ago. I have owned a number of GSDs and Akitas, with both the former and latter being attacked by Labradors and Collies. Although I agree in part I think it is also true that the set of circumstances that could turn a spaniel or lab into killers would be very much more extreme than those required to turn an aggressive breed into a killer. Dogs bred specifically to be aggressive or to fight will much more readily display those inate characteristics than dogs bred to retrieve, flush or herd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasabi Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 Perhaps you need to do a little research before posting such a naïve statement. Any dog could and, in the wrong circumstances, has already done so. A French woman had her face ripped off by a Labrador, a few years ago. I have owned a number of GSDs and Akitas, with both the former and latter being attacked by Labradors and Collies. Exactly. The woman in France attacked by her lab was also unconcious. She is still alive, this bloke is not. The dog was not a banned breed but was a "pit bull cross". Now let's say one of your Akitas decided to maul someone, could you honestly prevent it? If so how? I witnessed an Akita attack a 6'3" 17 stone man. He was powerless against a male Akita literally savaging him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr D Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 Although I agree in part I think it is also true that the set of circumstances that could turn a spaniel or lab into killers would be very much more extreme than those required to turn an aggressive breed into a killer. Dogs bred specifically to be aggressive or to fight will much more readily display those inate characteristics than dogs bred to retrieve, flush or herd. True. Otherwise whats the point in buying a lab or spaniel? May as well get any old mongrel from the shelter. Sure any old dog can hunt, point, and retrieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasabi Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 Sure, but an automatic weapon has the potential to do a lot more damage in the hands of a crazy dude, than a single shot air pistol. If we applied that logic to the argument then we should totally remove gun control and let everyone buy whatever they want! Exactly. I've never understood why someone would want to own a dog which has the ability to tear them to pieces! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 Exactly. I've never understood why someone would want to own a dog which has the ability to tear them to pieces! I quite agree, I think it is something to do with supposed peer pressure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 A member of the local Riff-Raff, drug dealing, deer poaching scum had a pair of Pit Bull x Rottweilers named Ronnie and Reggy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 I will leave the thread at this point. It has become another silly generalised attack on certain dog breeds. When posters are proved wrong, the goalposts shift. If anyone believes a dog couldn't kill, I trust that they never have cause to regret their ignorance. I pity them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr D Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) I will leave the thread at this point. It has become another silly generalised attack on certain dog breeds. When posters are proved wrong, the goalposts shift. If anyone believes a dog couldn't kill, I trust that they never have cause to regret their ignorance. I pity them. Don't leave. I believe any dog could kill! I also believe some are more predisposed to do it than others. In the same way, I hope my cocker pup is more predisposed to pick up pheasants next year than next doors ****zsu. - ****** automatic censorship! 😊 Edited January 2, 2016 by Dr D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasabi Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 I will leave the thread at this point. It has become another silly generalised attack on certain dog breeds. When posters are proved wrong, the goalposts shift. If anyone believes a dog couldn't kill, I trust that they never have cause to regret their ignorance. I pity them. That's a shame. I was hoping for an insight into the methods used by responsible owners of large and potentially aggressive dogs should they ever display the tendancies bred into them. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footu Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) All dogs may bite, but some are worse bites than others. I love guns, all guns shoot bullets but some I am not allowed to have, like a machine gun. I am not allowed to have a machine gun because it 'the gun' is deemed to be too dangerous for public use. It is not the owner of the gun that is banned from having a machine gun, the gun is banned. If a breed of dog kills 'x' amount of people, more than get killed by say guns held by public, why shouldnt that breed be put on a banned for public list but still ok for military use? Edited January 2, 2016 by Footu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 I lost my sister to epilepsy and time after time they say it can't kill you. It does kill you but in situations like this or having a fit while driving, in the bath, sleeping etc. The dog should be destroyed either way imho Didn't think you was allowed to hold a driving licence if you suffered from fits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 Sure, but an automatic weapon has the potential to do a lot more damage in the hands of a crazy dude, than a single shot air pistol. If we applied that logic to the argument then we should totally remove gun control and let everyone buy whatever they want! Big bad guns, big bad dogs, BIG BAD WORLD, the latter is why there will always be a desire to acquire both of the aforementioned! The predilection for restriction is becoming a national addiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 Didn't think you was allowed to hold a driving licence if you suffered from fits You lose your license for 6-12 months after each seizure, I think. The concentration involve in driving is helpful in avoiding seizures, I was told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 If I was to have a seizure, I reckon my Flatcoats might have licked me to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 I will leave the thread at this point. It has become another silly generalised attack on certain dog breeds. When posters are proved wrong, the goalposts shift. If anyone believes a dog couldn't kill, I trust that they never have cause to regret their ignorance. I pity them.I respect your opinion and knowledge Gordon, and as I've never owned an 'aggressive' breed (I'm not even sure if that's an appropriate title for then) I have an open mind, so please do post on here again. I suppose the discussion is really how much is nuture and how much is nature in regards to fatal attacks. The poor man who died did so unnecessarily but would he have been just as likely to be killed by a different breed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix's rifle Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 Exactly. I've never understood why someone would want to own a dog which has the ability to tear them to pieces! My 50kg German shepherd has the ability to tear someone to pieces... If there's both of them then they make short work of it. Any dog can tear someone to pieces given the circumstances. A neighbour used to have a westy and that 'savaged' a couple of people. A friends spaniel also attacked some one for unknown reasons. Any dog IS capable of TEARING SOMEONE TO PIECES. Just depends on the owner to if they do or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 My 50kg German shepherd has the ability to tear someone to pieces... If there's both of them then they make short work of it. Any dog can tear someone to pieces given the circumstances. A neighbour used to have a westy and that 'savaged' a couple of people. A friends spaniel also attacked some one for unknown reasons. Any dog IS capable of TEARING SOMEONE TO PIECES. Just depends on the owner to if they do or not Yes a Westy is just as dangerous as a couple of German Shepherds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny thomas Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) My 50kg German shepherd has the ability to tear someone to pieces... If there's both of them then they make short work of it. Any dog can tear someone to pieces given the circumstances. A neighbour used to have a westy and that 'savaged' a couple of people. A friends spaniel also attacked some one for unknown reasons. Any dog IS capable of TEARING SOMEONE TO PIECES. Just depends on the owner to if they do or notBang on my old gsd would guard someone he knew if they showed signs of distress Easy solution Yes sir you can have a pit bull ,what will you call it ? Tyson Yeah sorry you can't have it now Edited January 2, 2016 by jonny thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 Exactly. The woman in France attacked by her lab was also unconcious. She is still alive, this bloke is not. The dog was not a banned breed but was a "pit bull cross". Now let's say one of your Akitas decided to maul someone, could you honestly prevent it? If so how? I witnessed an Akita attack a 6'3" 17 stone man. He was powerless against a male Akita literally savaging him. It is this kind of reasoning that anti shooting types say about our sport, 'why should anyone be allowed a gun', etc,etc. The problem is that when a tradgergy hits the headlines the government needs to be seen to do something, they then pass legislation to appease the knee jerk press and public, with dogs they banned pit bulls along with I believe 3 other breeds several of which to my knowledge have never been involved in an attack on a human in this country as there'd of been uproar if they'd banned all dogs, itsa similar situation to shooting the people who understand the sport know how ridiculous the legislation is and unfortunately several breeds of dog have been demonized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasabi Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 My 50kg German shepherd has the ability to tear someone to pieces... If there's both of them then they make short work of it. Any dog can tear someone to pieces given the circumstances. A neighbour used to have a westy and that 'savaged' a couple of people. A friends spaniel also attacked some one for unknown reasons. Any dog IS capable of TEARING SOMEONE TO PIECES. Just depends on the owner to if they do or not I was attacked by my aunties Westie 10 odd years ago. It cut my hand so I picked it up by the scruff and "placed" it outside. My mate was attacked my an Akita and spent a week in hospital and lost a finger and part of an ear. I think he needed 50 odd stitches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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