ElvisThePelvis Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 I respect everyone's right to have an opinion and quite often I find myself differing with that opinion, but hey that's life... Right? I have had the displeasure of meeting several antis over the past game season and without exception they have been agressive, poorly informed, inarticulate and entirely unwilling to consider someone else's point of view. I have to point out that several of these people are acquaintances of mine and are otherwise reasonably balanced individuals, yet get them onto the subject of field sports and they turn into Mr Hyde. I don't understand why these people seem overly agressive about a subject that they prove to know little about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peck Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) I can see your point up to a point. Not so many years ago it was deemed ok to hang draw and quarter some one for committing certain crimes, times change and we then decided it barbaric to HDQ some one so we changed things. Some people think its barbaric to hunt animals. We do not need to hunt animals to live, we do it for sport and recreation, would people go out and kill foxes if they did not get some for of enjoyment from it? would we shoot pheasants etc if we did not get some form of enjoyment from it.? The answer is clearly no, We are allowed to do it now because it is tradition, No matter what you think an animal has as much right to live as we do, that does not mean we should not kill some animals, some need killing, foxes attack our chickens, lambs etc so they need controlling by killing them. What reason can we give for killing pheasants, partridge, grouse etc, the only reason we kill them is for our own enjoyment. One of these days our government is going to say its barbaric to kill these birds so it must stop, what can we say against this? the only thing we can say is its tradition, so does tradition win over what's seen as barbaric. No doubt i will be shot down in flames for saying this but how much longer will our tradition last. Edited February 10, 2016 by peck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Usually angry small minded inadequate failures with an inferiority complex and a chip on their shoulders...........trying to force their misguided ill informed views on others.......usually unsuccessfully!.........which makes them feel even more inadequate and angry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 I've come up against colleagues who are anti through ignorance. I've come up against those who wear balaclavas and dark clothes and wish cancer upon me / my children. Some people, like the former, are blinkered by the like of The Daily Mail or the Mirror. Social media and idiots like Ricky Gervais don't help. Explanation of the immense benefits to our countryside from field sports, free range food at its best etc all help. The latter respond well to a dose of what they dish out, whilst not condoning we sink to their levels obviously. I couldn't stoop as low as some of those freaks, even to offer them a helping hand should they slip over in the countryside 😈 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 I, as a child was taken to School by police officers and my mother for a long time, the anti parade made a real impact on my parents, and me. I have no issue with 'strong views', but to disrupt life because it escapes their ideal has set some things in stone with me. Every cloud though, my little sister, 30 years ago had a massive life threatening asthma attack, she's only alive because 'Roy' (the copper) blasted her to hospital after she went blue on the way home from school I've no time for extremism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les*1066 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Let's face it, we must all be homicidal morons. I mean after all, we do go around killing Bambi and shooting guns and stuff, don't we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 I can totally understand why some folk resent what we do, but as long as they're eating meat they don't have any justification to criticise. As far as I know I have never tried to prevent, stop, insult, criticise or belittle anyone for doing something I don't approve of. I detest people who insist I live my life by their approval. Who the hell do they think they are? I also think that as long as the so called aristocracy or ruling elite shoot birds for fun we will be ok, for the most part, but even that is no guarantee. UK shooters have no effective defence of our way of life, which is what it is for me. Make the most of it while you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 I can see your point up to a point. Not so many years ago it was deemed ok to hang draw and quarter some one for committing certain crimes, times change and we then decided it barbaric to HDQ some one so we changed things. Some people think its barbaric to hunt animals. We do not need to hunt animals to live, we do it for sport and recreation, would people go out and kill foxes if they did not get some for of enjoyment from it? would we shoot pheasants etc if we did not get some form of enjoyment from it.? The answer is clearly no, We are allowed to do it now because it is tradition, No matter what you think an animal has as much right to live as we do, that does not mean we should not kill some animals, some need killing, foxes attack our chickens, lambs etc so they need controlling by killing them.ver what's seen as barbaric. What reason can we give for killing pheasants, partridge, grouse etc, the only reason we kill them is for our own enjoyment. One of these days our government is going to say its barbaric to kill these birds so it must stop, what can we say against this? the only thing we can say is its tradition, so does tradition win o No doubt i will be shot down in flames for saying this but how much longer will our tradition last. These birds are entering the food chain and have a better life than than the majority of farm animals, its very hard to argue against shooting pheasants when your tucking into a bit of fried chicken, ban one, ban all meat, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz2202 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 I can see your point up to a point. Not so many years ago it was deemed ok to hang draw and quarter some one for committing certain crimes, times change and we then decided it barbaric to HDQ some one so we changed things. Some people think its barbaric to hunt animals. We do not need to hunt animals to live, we do it for sport and recreation, would people go out and kill foxes if they did not get some for of enjoyment from it? would we shoot pheasants etc if we did not get some form of enjoyment from it.? The answer is clearly no, We are allowed to do it now because it is tradition, No matter what you think an animal has as much right to live as we do, that does not mean we should not kill some animals, some need killing, foxes attack our chickens, lambs etc so they need controlling by killing them. What reason can we give for killing pheasants, partridge, grouse etc, the only reason we kill them is for our own enjoyment. One of these days our government is going to say its barbaric to kill these birds so it must stop, what can we say against this? the only thing we can say is its tradition, so does tradition win over what's seen as barbaric. No doubt i will be shot down in flames for saying this but how much longer will our tradition last. It's my sport It's my hobby It's my enjoyment It's also very traditional But Mr Peck. Your above comment is a very well put piece. Something to consider in the future. It's why I pay my subs to BASC hoping that they will continue to fight our case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFC Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 One thing that galls me about antis is that they think they have the right to tell me how to live but they don't actually DO anything themselves for conservation. I don't know any that pay hundreds of pounds a year in rent to grow cover crops that provide for a vast array of wildlife, besides gamebirds, for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoonbed Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 I can see your point up to a point. Not so many years ago it was deemed ok to hang draw and quarter some one for committing certain crimes, times change and we then decided it barbaric to HDQ some one so we changed things. Some people think its barbaric to hunt animals. We do not need to hunt animals to live, we do it for sport and recreation, would people go out and kill foxes if they did not get some for of enjoyment from it? would we shoot pheasants etc if we did not get some form of enjoyment from it.? The answer is clearly no, We are allowed to do it now because it is tradition, No matter what you think an animal has as much right to live as we do, that does not mean we should not kill some animals, some need killing, foxes attack our chickens, lambs etc so they need controlling by killing them. What reason can we give for killing pheasants, partridge, grouse etc, the only reason we kill them is for our own enjoyment. One of these days our government is going to say its barbaric to kill these birds so it must stop, what can we say against this? the only thing we can say is its tradition, so does tradition win over what's seen as barbaric. No doubt i will be shot down in flames for saying this but how much longer will our tradition last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoonbed Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 I shoot around 20 days a year, but I agree wholeheartedly with your statement- as much as we all enjoy it etc etc, there is no justification for game shooting. Just got to stay legal and above board for as long as possible and hope that we stay under the radar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFC Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 I see it as simply another form of farming and man is by nature a hunter gatherer so perfectly natural. Money and supermarkets are not natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 If the birds/deer are being eaten and not just killed for the sake of it, how is it any different than any other meat? Other than they would've had a substantially better life? There is nothing wrong with admitting you like "killing animals for food", or 'hunting' as its been called for the last several hundred thousand years . Its perfectly natural, every animal does and whether some people want to admit it, humans are just animals as well. Its comical to hear people saying "oh i could/would never kill an animal", yeah put them in a real hunger situation or have the animal threaten them or their loved ones and we'll see how long that lacquer of 'moral superiority' lasts Its only the last 60-70 years of social engineering that has removed us from the source, origin and preparation of our food that has bred the unnatural feelings some people have about it, and its only the wealth/abundance of resources of our nation that permits such silliness to continue. Ask how many Ethopian vegans there are (by choice that is). OK so we don't need to hunt our own meat these days, someone else can do the dirty work for us and the deluded amongst us can pretend an animal hasn't had to die for us to eat it, but then again you don't need to put premium fuel in your car, wear quality clothes (that weren't made by a child labourer) and have solid wood furniture, but its nice to isn't it, and you don't hear people bleating on about others doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 One form of shooting that does not help are large commercial game shoots, they are fuel for the enemy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 It is my human right to hunt, as it is to make music or produce art in it's many forms. These and many others are gifts from our ancestors, the very things of being human and the making of humans, without which, we would not be human. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 The only difference between a 50 bird or 500 bird day is 450. One form of shooting that does not help are large commercial game shoots, they are fuel for the enemy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 The only difference between a 50 bird or 500 bird day is 450. There is a big difference between a small diy shoot shooting 50+ birds and a commercial shoot shooting 500+ birds, I know I have been involved with a few over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Likewise, but morally there is no difference. There is a big difference between a small diy shoot shooting 50+ birds and a commercial shoot shooting 500+ birds, I know I have been involved with a few over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Ask them why and the usual reply is something along the lines of "everything has an equal right to life man" Ask them if they would be happy with plagues of incontinent rats defacating all over their house and groceries and their arguement falls apart in front of them, my brother is one such idiot but is happy for cows, chickens and sheep to be bred solely or the purpose of being put on his dinner table whilst having a short dull life and being pumped full of all sorts of drugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Likewise, but morally there is no difference. My point was, it is fuel for the antis, they are not stupid they have people who are willing to tell them what happens on large commercial shoots, and this is what they will portray to Joe public and the media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 There is a big difference between a small diy shoot shooting 50+ birds and a commercial shoot shooting 500+ birds, I know I have been involved with a few over the years. The only difference is the numbers. Care and management are what makes the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Shooting one for fun is grist to their mill. My point was, it is fuel for the antis, they are not stupid they have people who are willing to tell them what happens on large commercial shoots, and this is what they will portray to Joe public and the media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Shooting one for fun is grist to their mill. But one for the pot does not look as good in the news and papers as 500+ slaughtered for sport! Numbers make a big difference to the news headline and the perception the public have of shooting. The only difference is the numbers. Care and management are what makes the difference. "The only difference is the numbers" and that's what the antis pickup on. "Care and management are what makes the difference" Yes very true in a perfect world where every plays by the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Just playing devil's advocate here, so are you suggesting large scale driven shoots should not be allowed, and if so where is the cut off for bag size that would be acceptable to an anti? But one for the pot does not look as good in the news and papers as 500+ slaughtered for sport!Numbers make a big difference to the news headline and the perception the public have of shooting."The only difference is the numbers" and that's what the antis pickup on."Care and management are what makes the difference" Yes very true in a perfect world where every plays by the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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