Danger-Mouse Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Quite an interesting read. No mention of the UK in it, which is probably a good thing. http://www.vox.com/2016/2/29/11120184/gun-control-study-international-evidence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 If it's true then perhaps it's time we had controls on knives.......oh, hang on a minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 I think its fair to say the some sort of control eg licensing and background checks etc will reduce gun crime but you get to a point that i believe the uk has gone passed that more restriction don't make a difference. Once you know only people law abiding people have access to guns, how much difference can banning a certain type of gun make, if I'm not going to shoot someone with a shot gun or bolt action rifle why would I be more likely to shoot someone with a self loading rifle or a hand gun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 I think its fair to say the some sort of control eg licensing and background checks etc will reduce gun crime but you get to a point that i believe the uk has gone passed that more restriction don't make a difference. Once you know only people law abiding people have access to guns, how much difference can banning a certain type of gun make, if I'm not going to shoot someone with a shot gun or bolt action rifle why would I be more likely to shoot someone with a self loading rifle or a hand gun? It doesn't matter if its banned or not though, if someone wants to aquire an illegal firearm they will. Its the same with anything banned or limited, take drink driving as an example. If your going to down 8 pints and drive it makes no difference if the law was zero tolerance or not. That person Still going to drink 8 and drive. So no matter what the magic number is they will always be over limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 But bans DO work... The UK has no deaths from illegal drug use PLUS Since murder was made illegal no such deaths have occurred THE big question though is what can be made illegal to keep wayward expenses fiddling politicans in check? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 But bans DO work... The UK has no deaths from illegal drug use PLUS Since murder was made illegal no such deaths have occurred THE big question though is what can be made illegal to keep wayward expenses fiddling politicans in check? Death penalty perhaps? Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 Seemed to be less gun crime when I bought my 10/- (50p) gun license from the Post Office with no checks what so ever. Mind you fewer gun owners then. Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 But bans DO work... The UK has no deaths from illegal drug use PLUS Since murder was made illegal no such deaths have occurred THE big question though is what can be made illegal to keep wayward expenses fiddling politicans in check? Nothing to be done about the fiddlers in power,they are protected by parliamentary privelidge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSpredder Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 Seemed to be less gun crime when I bought my 10/- (50p) gun license from the Post Office with no checks what so ever.Seemed to be less knife crime in the days when Scouts and Guides (and most other youngsters of my acquaintance) routinely carried sheath knives. Used mostly for sharpening pencils, whittling sticks, paunching rabbits or making catapults, not stabbing people. Perhaps it was different in urban areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 In the US definitions of mass shootings are bizarre and open to interpretation. its a good article. what a homicide rate ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 Always carried my shieth knife when I was a kid, as did most of my pals. Nobody took any notice back then. We managed to get by without feeling the need to stab anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 Always carried my shieth knife when I was a kid, as did most of my pals. Nobody took any notice back then. We managed to get by without feeling the need to stab anyone. As did we when in the Scouts and cadets. It never occurred to us to use them to stab someone with. We also played outside with our toy guns. Both frowned upon now and totally unPC. My son has had a fascination for knives since being a young lad, and owns several, and also played outside with his mates, running around shooting at each other with BB's; much more realistic examples than the tat we had back in my day. He even had a life-size Model 12 pump! He is 17 later this year and about as normal as they come, and though he still has his knives, is totally indifferent to them, and has no interest in shooting nowadays either, unfortunately. My daughter as a pre-teenager was a better shot than her brother and two nephews, but she has no interest in shooting either. Where did I go wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 It doesn't matter if its banned or not though, if someone wants to aquire an illegal firearm they will. Its the same with anything banned or limited, take drink driving as an example. If your going to down 8 pints and drive it makes no difference if the law was zero tolerance or not. That person Still going to drink 8 and drive. So no matter what the magic number is they will always be over limit. Exactly, making more laws against people that take any notice of the laws that already exist isn't going to work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wascal Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) Exactly, making more laws against people that take any notice of the laws that already exist isn't going to work but the lawmakers feel warm and fuzzy and can then blame others ! Edited March 1, 2016 by wascal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny thomas Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 I had a conversation with my dad about knife crime he completely shocked me by saying there's nothing new about knife crime it was just as bad if not worse when I was young (50s/60s) teddy boys mods and rockers used to stab each other all the time and as for guns there was a massive amount of guns on the streets post war Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotguneddy Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 All of these knife/gun incidents are probably all drugs and money related, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buze Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 I'm french, and I grew up with a knife in my pocket since I'm about 9 years old. Never stabbed anyone. I still remember my father telling me to be careful, but also tell me that I'd probably start to /really/ be careful once I cut myself at least once. He was right :-) These 'controls' are just systematically made to impose restrictions on people who actually wouldn't need controls in the first place. The base of the problem is not the items/substances -- it's the /people/. Same applies for kids -- some people shouldn't be allowed to be parents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny thomas Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) I'm french, and I grew up with a knife in my pocket since I'm about 9 years old. Never stabbed anyone. I still remember my father telling me to be careful, but also tell me that I'd probably start to /really/ be careful once I cut myself at least once. He was right :-) These 'controls' are just systematically made to impose restrictions on people who actually wouldn't need controls in the first place. The base of the problem is not the items/substances -- it's the /people/. Same applies for kids -- some people shouldn't be allowed to be parents. Bang on that Oh dear Lord above I just agreed with a frenchman I must be going soft Edited March 2, 2016 by jonny thomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Yet again another 'huge' (and likely costly) study done which shows that "gun crime fell following the implementation of a gun control measure" - made utterly worthless and pointless by not taking the simple measure of seeing whether the trend was that gun crime was falling BEFORE the gun 'control' already.... Either the people who do these studies are monumentally stupid and cannot follow basic scientific protocols, or, and I'm going out on a limb here, they're pushing an agenda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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