old'un Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) Talk about scare tactics, he is holding a gun against peoples heads, surely he cannot use these type of threats?http://home.bt.com/news/uk-news/brexit-budget-would-see-spending-cuts-and-tax-hikes-warns-george-osborne-11364068024455 Edited June 15, 2016 by old'un Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatFreddysCat Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 Just more lies and prophesies of doom. A budget like that would never get voted through parliament and if we vote out I doubt Osborne will be chancellor for long anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 Let us do the calculations for poor old George. The net saving of not being in the EU is £120 billion a year, that is after we spend what they give us back as well! This is a lot of money to play with. The £120 billion means that if they have to raise £30 billion there will be £90 billion left for them to squander. So with the saving made from not being in the EU, we will, in effect, have £90 billion to play with, even after poor old George has nicked £30 billion which we will suddenly need for some unknown reason! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) This man is a absolute disgrace......as chancellor of the exchequer he threatens an emergency budget, increased austerity, tax rises and reduced funding for the NHS if we vote out, what about the millions per week available when we don't have to pay to be in the EU club if we vote out? There would be no need for any of what he threatens!................indeed with the EU money we no longer had to pay, he could increase funding to the NHS and reduce tax, no need for an emergency budget or any increased austerity!............if the government chose to use this money that way! Edited June 15, 2016 by panoma1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yod dropper Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 I would just refer the public to the footage of the PM at the CBI conference saying we would be okay if we left and they can see and hear it for themselves on youtube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lampwick Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 Along with Camoron he is desperately clinging on to his job and will stoop to whatever low is needed to do so. Roll on the exit!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) A desperate man, remember not that long ago he thought he was top of the short list for Cameron's job when he goes. Now he is looking at a return to the back benches and maybe worse. Can you imagine what he is thinking in private? "The Idiot! Cameron has misread it all big time and that clown Boris is going steal the race to no10" Edited June 15, 2016 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 If leaving the EU was as bad for the country as the in crowd are making out Cameron and cronies would never have given us the referendum in the first place, he would've spouted something about the current economic climate and how it wasnt the time for a referendum. I personally have found it frightening at how easily people have been frightened/oppressed into what the elites of society want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 Let us do the calculations for poor old George. The net saving of not being in the EU is £120 billion a year, that is after we spend what they give us back as well! This is a lot of money to play with. The £120 billion means that if they have to raise £30 billion there will be £90 billion left for them to squander. So with the saving made from not being in the EU, we will, in effect, have £90 billion to play with, even after poor old George has nicked £30 billion which we will suddenly need for some unknown reason! You are a factor of 10 out. http://blog.moneysavingexpert.com/2016/06/05/how-to-vote-in-the-eu-referendum/ The size of the UKs annual economic activity was £1,800 billion in 2015. The annual fees to the EU in 2015 were £18bn, but we get a rebate, after that the fees are £13bn, plus theres the money the EU spends in the UK; so what it actually costs us is £8.5bn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 You are a factor of 10 out. http://blog.moneysavingexpert.com/2016/06/05/how-to-vote-in-the-eu-referendum/ The size of the UKs annual economic activity was £1,800 billion in 2015. The annual fees to the EU in 2015 were £18bn, but we get a rebate, after that the fees are £13bn, plus theres the money the EU spends in the UK; so what it actually costs us is £8.5bn. Beat me to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 I can't wait to see the fear in their eyes when the Brexit vote comes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainBeaky Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 You are a factor of 10 out. http://blog.moneysavingexpert.com/2016/06/05/how-to-vote-in-the-eu-referendum/ The size of the UKs annual economic activity was £1,800 billion in 2015. The annual fees to the EU in 2015 were £18bn, but we get a rebate, after that the fees are £13bn, plus theres the money the EU spends in the UK; so what it actually costs us is £8.5bn. So a *NET* cost of £164 million plus some small change per week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 I think he has added up the loss of possible trade, price hikes on imports etc to come up with this figure, but even so, the gross saving in the first place should more than negate that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 I can't wait to see the fear in their eyes when the Brexit vote comes.I hope your right but i still think we're going to lose, the polls have brexit ahead by a small margin but that doesn't include people who said they are undecided, most undecided people will vote for the status quo which means remaining will win by a fairly comfortable margin, it annoys me, alot of these undecided/in people I've spoken to are pretty much oblivious to what it's all about, or even the few facts regardless of what side your on, yet they are probably going to vote and that vote will be in simply because it's what they've always known. I can understand if someone is voting in after looking at the facts and coming to a conclusion (although it still amazes me when that leads to in). But when people can't even be bothered to look at it and then vote it gets me because that will affect me and those I love for many many years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 Take out the economic contraction and the payments that we will have to make to the EU to trade and the adoption of standards and I think we will be back where we started minus a couple of years of stagnation / decline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 I hope your right but i still think we're going to lose, the polls have brexit ahead by a small margin but that doesn't include people who said they are undecided, most undecided people will vote for the status quo which means remaining will win by a fairly comfortable margin, it annoys me, alot of these undecided/in people I've spoken to are pretty much oblivious to what it's all about, or even the few facts regardless of what side your on, yet they are probably going to vote and that vote will be in simply because it's what they've always known. I can understand if someone is voting in after looking at the facts and coming to a conclusion (although it still amazes me when that leads to in). But when people can't even be bothered to look at it and then vote it gets me because that will affect me and those I love for many many years to come.I am completely undecided as not one of the in / out campaign have got solid facts of what will happen if we leave or stay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 That there are no facts, is the only fact. I am completely undecided as not one of the in / out campaign have got solid facts of what will happen if we leave or stay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 That there are no facts, is the only fact. that's so true. If we had a crystal ball there would still be different ways to look into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 I am completely undecided as not one of the in / out campaign have got solid facts of what will happen if we leave or stay Maybe this will help LC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 Along with Camoron he is desperately clinging on to his job and will stoop to whatever low is needed to do so. Roll on the exit!! with you there 100 % what will it be next if we leave the Germans will take the water plug out and England will sink in to the sea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 Maybe this will help LC I think if we do vote to leave all of the statements /speeches that the in people have made should be stored up and played back to is so that we can tell them all where to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 Torn apart before the dust had time to settle . . . credibility zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 The ship is sinking anyway, Europe is doomed to failure in the long term. Britain staying will not prevent the disasters that will hit Europe in the years to come. However, if we leave we will be the scapegoat that gets blamed for everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 The amount of money it costs the UK to be in the EU is, I believe, as the Brexit campaigners say! Any 'rebate' the EU gives us is not ours by right! it can be altered and/or withdrawn at any time by and at the discretion of the EU!!...........we have no right to it, the EU at present, give it back to us! (Allow us to withhold it!!) will it be thus in the future? .............we all pay in, its our money! But whatever sum of money that does come back from the EU in the form of grants and subsidies.............we the ordinary citizens do not get it individually and have no input in to how or on what it's spent. It's a sleight of hand con trick! Vote 'remain' and vote for this con to continue or more likely get worse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 I am completely undecided as not one of the in / out campaign have got solid facts of what will happen if we leave or stayNo one is or can give you solid facts as to what will happen after an exit, there are however solid facts as to what being in EU brings as well as facts if we get out, you then need to make a decision yourself, you'll be told lies on both sides, what I was getting at is it annoys me where people have not looked at it and made an informed decision either way but are voting in for the simple reason that that's all they know. I think those people should stay at home regardless if they would vote in or out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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