Scully Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) Don't forget there have been precedents of referendums being re-run (can't remember which country it was but first referendum was for not joining, then they had another go and it changed to a join). I have q feeling this is far from over! Wasn't that Holland? If I recall they voted against joining, but for whatever reason circumstances changed which meant their government was allowed to join without a second referendum and therefore the populace weren't consulted or given the choice. I may well be wrong but there is something niggling in the back of my mind regarding the Dutch and their vote against joining. Not the link I was looking for, but worth a look..http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/662768/Dutch-referendum-EU-Brussels-Brexit-Ukraine-deal-visa-free-travel Edited June 25, 2016 by Scully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted June 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) Wasn't that Holland? If I recall they voted against joining, but for whatever reason circumstances changed which meant their government was allowed to join without a second referendum and therefore the populace weren't consulted or given the choice. I may well be wrong but there is something niggling in the back of my mind regarding the Dutch and their vote against joining. Not the link I was looking for, but worth a look..http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/662768/Dutch-referendum-EU-Brussels-Brexit-Ukraine-deal-visa-free-travel it was ireland...............the s/irish wanted out so the EU offered more money and they voted again.......pah ! STOP PRESS...............our EU commisioner has either resigned....or been kicked out of Brussells....just now ... Edited June 25, 2016 by ditchman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) I think it is based upon she infers the dynamics have changed. Scotland voted to remain in the UK, and voted to remain in the EU, but by default they are now out of the latter. I can see the point she is making, but as Scotland voted to remain part of the U.K. and the UK voted to leave, then they surely have to accept the democratic process. To do otherwise in my opinion is to set a dangerous precedent. When do we accept a final decision.....best out of three? I understood Scotland was told if they want to stay in the EU they have to vote to stay with the UK. Now they are being told that even though they stayed with the UK the UK wants out. It looks like a bit of a bum deal to me? Scotland had offered the UK (Cameron) a four way nation state vote for exit which was rejected. Now the fish ( makes me laugh) is off to Europe to see if there is a third way for Scotland. She would have to be part of the UK team putting together the exit process that she does not support and will want many things that are diametrically opposite to London so not a viable option? Edited June 25, 2016 by oowee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 If the petition to rerun the referendum is based on too low a turnout.........all the General Elections As far back as we could remember would be nul and void too!...........As would all the elections for PCC's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRDS Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) There is absolutley no chance of a 2nd Referendum, the petition is based on points that don't exist in law or Referendum rules. Sour Grapes from an ethnic majority in London. Kranky has no chance she had a vote on being part of the UK or leaving and the majority chose to stay. The UK had a democratic vote and voted to leave, she is part of the UK therefore Scotland leaves. It is simple and is called Democracy. She had her chance and the Scottish people were not stupid enough to share her vision. Edited June 25, 2016 by JRDS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDS Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 A worrying read for us leavers http://uk.businessinsider.com/green-eu-referendum-not-legally-binding-brexit-2016-6?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=referral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRDS Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 Back in the real world they have to adide by it which is why Cameron has gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzypigeon Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 My opinion on this, not that it matters is quite simple, if the government does not do what is right by the majority of our population, then they will simply start a uprising which would be more detrimental to the country than staying or leaving the EU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrM Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 Back in the real world they have to adide by it which is why Cameron has gone. We all know he said the government would accept it, but he also said he wouldn't quit! All hell would break loose if they didn't, but legally it is totally down to parliament making the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garygreengrass Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 So we have another referendum and decide to stay in. Do we then have another petition for a third referendum? Etc., etc., ad infinitum. I think not. It's just sore losers throwing their toys around. You were outvoted, get used to it. (Grow up.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 "We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the Remain or Leave vote is less than 60%, based on a turnout less than 75%, there should be another referendum." Funny the petition wants to add unwinnable conditions to their referendum.......... to ensure no change..... Remind me again what percentage exactly voted to go into the EU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) My opinion on this, not that it matters is quite simple, if the government does not do what is right by the majority of our population, then they will simply start a uprising which would be more detrimental to the country than staying or leaving the EU Hopefully it wont come to that. We will have to leave but maybe the public think they voted for border control, lack of EU interference, and contributions and these things might be more difficult to deliver. We voted for something we did not want rather than for something we did want. Edited June 25, 2016 by oowee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 Why doesn't someone start a petition to say we shouldn't have another referendum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 Hopefully it wont come to that. We will have to leave but maybe the public think they voted for border control, lack of EU interference, and contributions and these things might be more difficult. No, they won't be difficult, they may be sidelined by some self serving sleaze ball but difficult no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 as said toys out the pram, they dont like it because they did not win,we voted out so we should stay out.end of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 A worrying read for us leavers http://uk.businessinsider.com/green-eu-referendum-not-legally-binding-brexit-2016-6?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=referral We're talking potential civil unrest in those circumstances. Would anyone push it to this extent? What is the point of a democratic vote if it is then ignored? If anyone wants an example of the EU's intention and method of operation have a look at the link in post 26. Totally undemocratic, but then we knew that didn't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjh Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 Totally undemocratic I would think, unless it had been proved the first was rigged in some way. good grounds the system crashed to allow 2 more days of applications not in the rules and pencils in the booth clearly people rubbing out remain and putting cross in leave defo grounds for revote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunpau Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 In response to the remain campaigns petition to government to demand a second referendum, I have opened a petition to uphold the first referendum and require 5 email addresses to support their s for it to start. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 good grounds the system crashed to allow 2 more days of applications not in the rules and pencils in the booth clearly people rubbing out remain and putting cross in leave defo grounds for revote Still trolling then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunpau Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 Doh. Shouldn't say theirs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul1440 Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) It's done.. another referendum would be horrendous. The vile present in the last would be × 100. Bet the Government(whoever it is ) will end up with agreements 99% of being in the EU anyway. Just the Brand name will change. The best thing they can do is sort out the divisions and the real concerns of those that voted leave. Onwards and upwards.. no more dwelling on whats done. Edited June 25, 2016 by Paul1440 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjh Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 Still trolling then! no just because someone offers a different opinion to yours it isn't trolling any way I thought trolling was something the obese or socially awkward loners suffered at the hands of bully's are you ether of the aforementioned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 Chris you are rude and trolling to get a reaction. You have created several threads just to get a reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69chris Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 over 1.5 million sigs now !! still, some interesting quotes from the guys at the top.... Mr Cameron has said the referendum was a "once in a generation, once in a lifetime" decision, saying the UK had "referendums not neverendums". David Cameron has previously said there would be no second referendum Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn rejected the idea of a second referendum. He said: "The referendum has taken place, a decision has been made. I think we have got to accept that decision and work out our relationship with Europe in the future." well see what tuesday brings i guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 no just because someone offers a different opinion to yours it isn't trolling any way I thought trolling was something the obese or socially awkward loners suffered at the hands of bully's are you ether of the aforementioned What's it got to do with the obese or socially awkward, that's discriminatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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