oowee Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 I totally see why lions etc are shot but to shoot a bear saying you wanted a lovely rug is plain wrong. Lions etc . They have an old Alfa male shooting blanks and needs getting rid off so people offer to shoot it for £10k etc. The lions can breed without being attacked. The locals get paid The locals eat the meat. I can see all sides but I'm not into pictures bragging . This is just my view tho Oh and the kid shooting a robin really didn't help the case. No respect for guns. Its a lot more than £10k. The place I stayed was charging 22000 euro's for any old lion let alone a large male. Just as a kill charge plus the hunt and logistics costs. Your right about the kid he needs sorting. Its not for me but if you can afford it who am I to moan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 Doesn't really float my boat, but if it floats yours, then go for it. Saying that I'd love to hunt Mouflon. Someone else can have the head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJW Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 This show is not doing hunting or game shooting any good at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzy518 Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 I'm more into beaver hunting . Don't think I'd be willing to pay for it though. Well, not too much . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 (edited) The Blond girls says she has put a lot of time and effort into shooting a blacktail,but earlier in the program she said "I've heard they are lovely animals" So what time and effort,other than paying money and shown what to shoot.No respect for the animal other than a tick on a list. Edited June 29, 2016 by Davyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 I'm more into beaver hunting . Don't think I'd be willing to pay for it though. Well, not too much . You always end up paying through the nose for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 turned it off 15 minutes of fame and sensationalist tv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 Provocative, thought provoking and controversial. Those women really believed in what they do. The Croatian was a very hard woman. The other less so which is why her health broke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 I'm not really sure how much effort you have to put into it really. Decoying isn't exactly physical work, and being driven to your peg or butt is a doddle. I liked the attitude of the Croation lass ( though her son appeared spoilt and could do with a kick up the aris ) when she said she didn't care what other people thought, and I felt quite sorry for the American, though would have to question the wisdom ( naivety?) of posting online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HH1 Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 The program was nowhere near as bad as I was expecting. I have spent my entire career working with extremely dangerous animals.... and this sometimes requires euthanising certain specimens. I don't like doing it and I certainly would not want to go out to far flung places to kill animals as trophies for "sport".... Shooting is my main sport, but I'm more than happy blasting away at paper targets and clay pigeons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 Must admit i'm with HH i thought iwasnae too bad, expected it to be far worse and far more ontraversial. But probably 1 of those things u only see wot u want to see, sur ethe antis (and some shooters will still be up in arms about it) Not sure how u think the americain lass showed a lack of respect to the deer? The ammount of skil and practice u have to put in to use a bow alone show's dedication and she seemed to know it was a good shot and looked upset she couldnae find it that night and seemed more corncerned about its suffering and losing the meat. I thought she came across as quite decent and knowledgeable. Is wot she done turning up to shoot a deer any different than booking to go and sit in a highseat in this country esp if for boar where its usually over a baited area. I find it quite worrying/hypocritical that any uk hunter could be upset by it, fair play if u have no desire to do it but it is no different to shooting a fox/deer in this country and far more morally defensible than most driven shoots. As for the scum sending the threats, i bet they all eat meat and wear leather jackets/boots/shoes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 Having family in the USA and shot there several times the blond lass was just stupid publicising her actions. Huge huge numbers hunt. I've eater black bear and some of the posts on Facebook of my s-I-l's brother with the mountain lion he bow-hunted made me cringe but it was an animal taking his stock and he had a tag for it. Love their gun shops - oh to be able to own/choose from such a huge range of firearms without any feelings go guilt or concern. To be able to go to Asda for your cartriges?? The Croation bird was rather different - more money than sense. Wanted to shoot an elephant??? Hate those tattoos on a woman - needs treatment. Worse still this taints all of us as the antis will brand us all with the same image. Having said this I did envy her gun cupboard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodeer Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 Shocking....shooting 3 times to kill a lion wrong in so many levels With dangerous game you generally shoot until it stops moving. First shot probably was a kill shot but two quick follow up shots in seconds sealed the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 I watched the whole show, i thought that the american was slightly more respectful of what she hunted, and at one point asked the crew to edit it to be tasteful. The Croatian was purely driven by money or atleast came over that way. I see no reason to hunt an elephant other than for her to say she has done. And one of her friends looked genuinely shocked when they were talking about doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 But thats the whole point. Who are u/me/or anyone to judge wether or not someone should shoot an elephant? Wot's the difference between shooting a deer/rabbit/fox or even a rat to an elephant, ur still taking an aniimals life no matter wot size it is or how cute it is Is it not better that an old elephant past its prime is shot by rich foriegners so puting money into local areras plus provideing them with a fair pile of meat for the village. Most wild animals don't die of old age but bad/worn teeth, an old elephant with worn teeth could starve to death surrounded by food, just the same as deer do in this country. If i was a wild animal with worn teeth i'd pick a high powered rifle bullet every time over a long slow death due to starvation Elephants need to be controlled will damage crops and can be dangerous in some cases. As long as they have the correct tags and it is sustainable i really don't see the probelm, wouldn't fancy it myself but think it is very hypocritical to judge when i shoot other animals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 Here, here, well said. Agree with Scully that the lad could do with kicking up the aris (glad someone knows the correct slang word - most say 'harris'). Must admit i'm with HH i thought iwasnae too bad, expected it to be far worse and far more ontraversial. But probably 1 of those things u only see wot u want to see, sur ethe antis (and some shooters will still be up in arms about it) Not sure how u think the americain lass showed a lack of respect to the deer? The ammount of skil and practice u have to put in to use a bow alone show's dedication and she seemed to know it was a good shot and looked upset she couldnae find it that night and seemed more corncerned about its suffering and losing the meat. I thought she came across as quite decent and knowledgeable. Is wot she done turning up to shoot a deer any different than booking to go and sit in a highseat in this country esp if for boar where its usually over a baited area. I find it quite worrying/hypocritical that any uk hunter could be upset by it, fair play if u have no desire to do it but it is no different to shooting a fox/deer in this country and far more morally defensible than most driven shoots. As for the scum sending the threats, i bet they all eat meat and wear leather jackets/boots/shoes Having to kneck or or use a priest on a pigeon, is wrong on so many levels. Shocking....shooting 3 times to kill a lion wrong in so many levels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 Once again, well said. But thats the whole point. Who are u/me/or anyone to judge wether or not someone should shoot an elephant? Wot's the difference between shooting a deer/rabbit/fox or even a rat to an elephant, ur still taking an aniimals life no matter wot size it is or how cute it is Is it not better that an old elephant past its prime is shot by rich foriegners so puting money into local areras plus provideing them with a fair pile of meat for the village. Most wild animals don't die of old age but bad/worn teeth, an old elephant with worn teeth could starve to death surrounded by food, just the same as deer do in this country. If i was a wild animal with worn teeth i'd pick a high powered rifle bullet every time over a long slow death due to starvation Elephants need to be controlled will damage crops and can be dangerous in some cases. As long as they have the correct tags and it is sustainable i really don't see the probelm, wouldn't fancy it myself but think it is very hypocritical to judge when i shoot other animals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 But thats the whole point. Who are u/me/or anyone to judge wether or not someone should shoot an elephant? I am not judging. I mearly stated that she was doing it just so she can say she has. No other reason bar that, or atleast thats how she came across. I do pest control and shoot to eat what I kill, but for me personally I wouldn't go out my way to shoot something just so I can say I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 Does it really matter, is that any different to someone wanting to shoot all the 6 deer species in UK or wanting to shoot 1 fallow/red stag/buck for the wall? I would imagine she will be throwing vast sums of money at it no matter wot her motivation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 I did question the Croatians motive when she went for 1 species which they couldn't find and rather than leave empty handed she was going to shoot a "Rare" Dalmatian goat, telly said it rare, Why didn't the guide say no? Had to laff when one of the crew "lost their footing" at the critical moment, deliberate?, she wasn't happy..... I don't like people shooting Bears (I have a soft spot for them) but I can see why it needs to be done, I still can't see that it's right to use a bow though, yes I know it's legal and it seems to do the job but I think it's wrong, but that's just my personal opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 I know a few stalkers and they all either have a dog or have access to one. So I was surprised to see the American lady shoot a deer at last light and leave the follow up to next day. The stalkers I know would've used the dog for a follow-up rather than possibly leave it lying suffering over night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 (edited) Must admit i'm with u shaun on the whole bow hunting thing, but as long as their capable and shoot within their capabilities. Also often bow hunters will practice a lot and often have far better fieldcraft than rifle men But wot about all the numpties u know that cannae hit a barn door with a rifle?? Been on a few shooting tests and seen boys fail to hit a 4" target prone at 100m's, and heard plenty of stories from guides over the years of bad shots both on target and unfortunately deer. Seemingly in parts of Americia ur not allowed to use dogs on deer to stop folk running dogs on deer. It's not always easy to find deer esp at last light hence why there are now a couple of deer tracking org's in the UK, infact most best practice advice would say to leave the deer for next morning in a situation like that, less likely to run infront of the dog as be curled up in a wounbed and be dead/stiff to get up and move which it would do if u follow up immediately Edited June 30, 2016 by scotslad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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