Farrage Resigns (again)

[pinfireman]

Now he has screwed up the country like several of the leavers he in backing out leaving others to clear up the mess. Pity the little German does not go back to his home country..

So you believe that Nigel intended to lead the country, after winning the referendum? Rubbish! He never intended to, he said all along that his goal was to give us a referendum, which he did! It,s your arrogant Remain side that never thought they could lose, so never planned for that to happen! It did happen, and now they are paying the price for their arrogance, and failures! And rightly so! After 45 years of living on our knees, we are now free to seek our own destiny! And soon we will no longer be the dumping ground for Europes human waste! For every 100 that came here, only 5 are highly skilled, and only 12 are semi skilled! The rest are unskilled or dependents! Those figures were never released to the public......hopefully, the ones we do not need will return home. But don,t hold your breath, whilst we have a generous benefits system!

He's probably realised that people may expect him to actually do something as opposed to just talking a good talk.

 

Now the public has spoken. The real work begins.

 

Cameron wasn't pushing for a leave vote.

No, he did not have the guts to!

Firstly you demonstrate your a fool and a political ignoramus who can't keep his gob shut.......then go on prove to everyone your a racist!.......Well done! Lol

Hear hear!

[pinfireman]

Another thread that's one personal insult away from getting locked.

How was that a personal insult?

[pinfireman]

Got to be honest I was a massive Big Nige fan literally until the last couple of days where by now I think he is a rotten person. Before people jump to his defence and destroy me let me explain.

 

I voted out and am over the moon with the result, although a little worried about the current disarray in our government. I am certain in 5+ years time it will be confirmed it was the best result possible, convincing some of the most avid remainers!

 

However, what the hell is Nigel playing at having a final dig in the EU saying that they've never had proper jobs. Does this guy think that's going to help our negotiations by behaving like this? More like he's having a final goodbye pop and rub your face in it before he jumps off the boat the smug pric! That's damn ignorant, selfish and not in the countries interest!

 

At the time i didnt initially see the issue of him standing in front of the poster with the streets full of refugees, however it showed that he truly is a truly odious man. Even the likes of Gove and Carswell refused to stand in front of it! What have Syrian refugees got to do with the free movement of people within the EU? Looks like DC was doing a fairly decent job controlling the numbers of Syrian refugees coming in despite being in the EU! My streets are filled with EU migrants not Syrians! Standing in front of that poster gave the remain voters ammunition to paint anyone who voted leave as a racist, which for the overall majority would be wrong.

 

If I saw Nigel in the local pub celebrating his life long achievement, I would shake his hand and say thanks for being the driving force to trigger the referendum and getting us the opportunity to voice our opinion, you've done a lot for my sons future. Now f off away from me you racist selfish man.

He was entitled to take a pop at the EU MEPS! They ridiculed and jeered at him for 19 years! He gave them back only a tiny fraction of what he had received! As for "Syrian" refugees, amongst them are economic migrants from all over the Middle East and Africa.....and it,s hard to pick them out from the news films, (which you can bet were well edited by the BBC). Strange how there appeared to be a majority of single young men, when you would expect refugees to be couples and families?

I agree completely with your view about controlled immigration which is why I voted out. Just think farage falls the wrong side of the line and is more racist than patriotic.

 

I remember watching a documentary a few months ago about ukip, I think on channel 4. Focused a lot on known racists being allowed to maintain roles within the party. At the time I thought it was journalist scare mongering trying to derail the ukip train as it gained massive momentum. Now I'm wondering whether there was a lot more truth in it than I thought

Methinks you are not quite what you seem to be.....all the old anti - UKIP/Farage rubbish coming out again, all unproven!

This is getting out of hand ,it's like the House of Commons , all party's shouting we are in , no we are out it,is not the school play ground .We all shoud pull to gether ,to make it work , and make us proud ,not the laughing stock of the ,EU and the rest of the world

Correct!

I agree with you he has a nasty streak in him but having said that lots of people that we think of as doing good things like Winston Churchill and many other people have both said and done things that most of us would deplore in the end you have to take the good with the bad hopefully by him standing aside at this time it will help calm the waters.

What,s the "nasty" streak?? Because he rubbed their noses in it? Just like they did to him for 19 years?

[bigman]

Anyone seen any pigeons lately?

[Scully]

Now he has screwed up the country like several of the leavers he in backing out leaving others to clear up the mess. Pity the little German does not go back to his home country..

You persist in this claim that he is German and made another claim some time ago he is covering up something, but when I asked you to prove either you neglected to do so. I've no doubt you'll do neither this time also.

It reveals much more about you than your claims about Farage.

[Jaymo]

Pinfire et al:

 

Ask this simple thing

 

How much did being in the EU honestly affect you?

Now, honestly say to yourself- how is the current Brexit situation already affecting you?

 

( forget immigration and the skilled / unskilled arguement as there are a lot more 'unskilled' UK benefit claimants than migrants many times over)

 

I'm not a 'bitter' remainer- just a concerned Parent

You might not have noticed the price increases in the Supermarket or at the petrol pumps- yet, but I'm stuck working for a UK company overseas

In this last week due to the plummetin of Sterling we are 840 down on this time last year and are worried for our children who are settled with friends/schools etc ( btw, it was the UK low birth rates that cause many schools to close, hence the difficulty of obtaining child places- but if it's the EU's fault then how come I walked into the town hall office yesterday and enrolled our eldest in the school of choice)

 

Without realising it,the lives of many many families both in the UK and abroad, have been placed into precarious positions

 

The logic of "the FTSE100 has done better than before BREXIT" high lights the general problem that this Referendum posed---- lack of clear information and knowledge.

 

One 'knowledgeable' friend said he voted out as among other things stated that the EU red tape meant problems with his business for exports- so I asked what percentage did he export. "Oh, none" came the reply

I asked about his imports- " oh that doesn't affect me" - nope, but it affects your wife's supermarket bill

 

 

Oh well, Great Britain- it's not 1642 and sailing of Conquering new worlds- it's 2016 and the world is closer linked than ever, except you wish for it not to be!!!!!

We can't go back, history is history and no matter what you think- Politicians are just employeees trying to impress their bosses and will do / say pretty much anything to get their way

But in the end it comes back to one thing- we need each other

[Rewulf]

Pinfire et al:

 

Ask this simple thing

 

How much did being in the EU honestly affect you?

Now, honestly say to yourself- how is the current Brexit situation already affecting you?

 

That depends where you live,ask someone from Boston or Yarmouth how its affected them,ask most farmers how EU tariffs have affected them.

Are you seriously trying to say that being in the EU has done nothing but good?

Brexit has made me feel more confident about the future,yes seriously.

 

( forget immigration and the skilled / unskilled arguement as there are a lot more 'unskilled' UK benefit claimants than migrants many times over)

 

I'm not a 'bitter' remainer- just a concerned Parent

You might not have noticed the price increases in the Supermarket or at the petrol pumps- yet, but I'm stuck working for a UK company overseas

In this last week due to the plummetin of Sterling we are 840 down on this time last year and are worried for our children who are settled with friends/schools etc ( btw, it was the UK low birth rates that cause many schools to close, hence the difficulty of obtaining child places- but if it's the EU's fault then how come I walked into the town hall office yesterday and enrolled our eldest in the school of choice)

 

Same again,depends where you live,plus UK low birth rates 'caused schools to close ' no idea where you get that from.

 

Without realising it,the lives of many many families both in the UK and abroad, have been placed into precarious positions

 

Please elaborate,sounds like Project Fear 2.

 

The logic of "the FTSE100 has done better than before BREXIT" high lights the general problem that this Referendum posed---- lack of clear information and knowledge.

 

It was the remainers that predicted the financial apocalypse ,where is it ?

 

One 'knowledgeable' friend said he voted out as among other things stated that the EU red tape meant problems with his business for exports- so I asked what percentage did he export. "Oh, none" came the reply

I asked about his imports- " oh that doesn't affect me" - nope, but it affects your wife's supermarket bill

 

Not the best analogy really is it ?,but I will say my supermarket bill doesnt appear to have gone up,petrol has been going up for months,nothing to do with Brexit.

 

 

Oh well, Great Britain- it's not 1642 and sailing of Conquering new worlds- it's 2016 and the world is closer linked than ever, except you wish for it not to be!!!!!

We can't go back, history is history and no matter what you think- Politicians are just employeees trying to impress their bosses and will do / say pretty much anything to get their way

But in the end it comes back to one thing- we need each other

 

Are you trying to say that because we democratically voted to leave the EU ,that means we have closed ourselves off from the World ?

That is a silly,naive comment,the EU was the one that closed itself off,trying to run 28 countries that all trade in different things in different ways with one useless formula.

And, making it difficult for the wider world to deal with it,why has it took so many years for Canada to reach a 'trade deal' do you think its down to Canada ?

Why, when they can see there is a problem,do they not try to adjust their strategy ?

They are like WW1 generals sending waves of infantry over the top towards machine guns and artillery in entrenched positions ..and death.

It took 3 years and millions of deaths before they realised the strategy was useless.

The EU mindset is the same type of thing, 'Lets try to equalise the wealth between all 28 countries ' Oh dear that doesnt work 'Lets add 5 more poor countries that should make it better '

Lets try and force them all to use the Euro,a failing currency that only benefits strong manufacturing economies ie: Germany and...Oh.

Look with your eyes,where is the prosperity ? Where is the 'oneness' ?

Look at Greece,Spain,Portugal,Italy and France.

By the time the EU realises it has drunk its own poisoned water,it will have killed more of its economies and disenchanted its citizens.

Its already happening,but its too brain dead to realise.

That will be its legacy,and I will be able to hold my head up and say I helped dodge the bullet.

[shaun4860]

How was that a personal insult?

Just because it was posted after your post doesn't mean it was aimed at you

 

[Jaymo]

I do believe even 'Backout Boris' stated it was possible the country would once again enter Recession

 

 

We can state each other's points till we are blue ( or should that be Red, White and Blue) in the face, but i like to think I'm a Realist not a Pessimist and not an Optomist which I believe you are.

 

Bills and goods are also forward purchased and to a great degree the large Supermarkets will absorb as much as they can in the interim.

 

Really wish to divulge some info that I was Privy too from a leading Bank but I'm not-- lets just say it doesn't make pretty reading

 

Right, this is typed between work breaks so has been rather short.

Ps, the school and birth rate statement comes from a Senior Head- who happens to be the gobbiest sister in law ever .......

[12gauge82]

Pinfire et al:

 

Ask this simple thing

 

How much did being in the EU honestly affect you?

Now, honestly say to yourself- how is the current Brexit situation already affecting you?

 

( forget immigration and the skilled / unskilled arguement as there are a lot more 'unskilled' UK benefit claimants than migrants many times over)

 

I'm not a 'bitter' remainer- just a concerned Parent

You might not have noticed the price increases in the Supermarket or at the petrol pumps- yet, but I'm stuck working for a UK company overseas

In this last week due to the plummetin of Sterling we are 840 down on this time last year and are worried for our children who are settled with friends/schools etc ( btw, it was the UK low birth rates that cause many schools to close, hence the difficulty of obtaining child places- but if it's the EU's fault then how come I walked into the town hall office yesterday and enrolled our eldest in the school of choice)

 

Without realising it,the lives of many many families both in the UK and abroad, have been placed into precarious positions

 

The logic of "the FTSE100 has done better than before BREXIT" high lights the general problem that this Referendum posed---- lack of clear information and knowledge.

 

One 'knowledgeable' friend said he voted out as among other things stated that the EU red tape meant problems with his business for exports- so I asked what percentage did he export. "Oh, none" came the reply

I asked about his imports- " oh that doesn't affect me" - nope, but it affects your wife's supermarket bill

 

 

Oh well, Great Britain- it's not 1642 and sailing of Conquering new worlds- it's 2016 and the world is closer linked than ever, except you wish for it not to be!!!!!

We can't go back, history is history and no matter what you think- Politicians are just employeees trying to impress their bosses and will do / say pretty much anything to get their way

But in the end it comes back to one thing- we need each other

To cut it short, I'm over the moon with the result so far, I was expecting to see a bigger shock from leaving and am under no illusions that tough times may follow, but I'm the most positive for the future of the uk as a whole I've been in years, of course there will be indervidual winner's and losers in this, for once the wealthy elite are likely to take the biggest hit, I my self with a large property portfolio am going to see less profit than if we stayed in, but I voted out for the good of the uk as a whole and realise the referendum affects far more people than just me.

[Gordon R]

Pinfire et al:

 

Ask this simple thing

 

How much did being in the EU honestly affect you?

Now, honestly say to yourself- how is the current Brexit situation already affecting you?

 

 

I appreciate that you would like unrestricted immigration kept out of the equation, but that is naïve beyond belief. The effect is there for all to see. Speak to a Policeman in Staffordshire and ask what percentage of their time is spent on immigrants.

 

Walk around a town centre in the North West, go to a hospital - see just what is happening. I worry about the future for my children and grandchildren, whilst "Remainers" invent economic fantasy to support the fact that they lost and won't accept democracy.

[Jaymo]

That's easy Gordon

 

Democracy allows for both side of an arguement, yet we are alway shouted down.

 

So, really your saying it is down to immigration- ok, I will pose the question to a friend in the Force who is in what was known as 'Humberside' area ( although technically not known anymore but it encompasses the likes of Hull and Grimsby)

The thing is, I don't need to ask him as we have already discussed it and it's not all 'immigrants' - far from it.

You can tar as many as you like and of course some areas will be different to others.

 

Technically I'm an immigrant as I work and live in another country ( albeit UK Company), but I'm not seen as anything different.

I think the UK successive Governments have a lot to answer for as it was them who put the onus on having all the leaflets in Hospitals/Doctors/job centres etc put into multi-lingual format.

Sure wasn't the EU, unless Germany, Holland and France would have followed suit, but my experience of these places are that they don't

[four-wheel-drive]

It seems to me that people on both sides of the argument now think that if they keep on repeating the same thing over and over again eventually they will win the argument but life is not like that except the verdict for what it is and get on with life in or out life goes on.

[Bazooka Joe]

Now he has screwed up the country like several of the leavers he in backing out leaving others to clear up the mess. Pity the little German does not go back to his home country..

 

 

I thought it was only Ukippers that were racist....

 

Cameron wasn't pushing for a leave vote.

 

 

Cameron spat the dummy & wrapped IMO...

 

"Remainers" invent economic fantasy to support the fact that they lost and won't accept democracy.

 

 

Especially wee crankie north of the border...

[Danger-Mouse]

 

 

Oh well, Great Britain- it's not 1642 and sailing of Conquering new worlds- it's 2016 and the world is closer linked than ever, except you wish for it not to be!!!!!

 

 

I`m afraid that you`ve fallen for that "Little Englander" image the press has liked to paint the Leave campaigners with. Where in fact the opposite is true. We want to trade with the world, not just our nearest neighbours. We want to re-establish links with the Commonwealth and anyone else who shares a desire to trade. And we will. We are already receiving inquiries and offers to discuss trade deals.

[MrM]

What I would like to see is how the various allegiances with the MPs stacks up. We know that during the campaign there was a split in both parties - each had Remain and Leave voters.

 

The current legal challenge by Mishcon de Reya is not, as a lot of people seem to think, a bid to over turn the result and block the EU exit, but to insist that Parliament acts within its constitution and debates an Act of Parliament on giving the power to the PM to evoke Article 50. Apparently it's all down to interpreting the legal position of how and when to repeal the European Communities Act 1972 (or something like that!)

 

Now it may have been the desires of the people behind the action to make sure that a Pro Brexit PM doesn't just go ahead and invoke Article 50, but this may have backfired if Mrs May gets in meaning she can't just ignore the call for Article 50 now.

 

So it will be down to a Parliamentary debate - I can't see how they can have voting done on party lines as there are too many divisions, so it will presumably be a free vote. In which case it will be up to us to lobby our MP as to what we wish them to do for us. We assume that all SNP MPs will vote for remaining in and not invoking Atricle 50, but my question is how the numbers stack up for all the others.

 

What we all have to remember is that as we have a Representative Democracy we gave the power to our elected MPs to decide for us.

Edited July 5, 2016 by MrM

[Walker570]

A number of reasons I decided to vote out.

1) The main one, was I could see the underlying devious plan of a few 'criminals'(my view)fraud is a crime, who had one desire and that was to form a Communist State of Europe where the ordinary guy on the street mattered for nought and just a few of the Valiant Leaders could earn vast amounts of money ... a posh North Korea.

2) I objected to numerous failed politicians moving into non elected jobs at double the salary plus huge pensions, telling us what to do. eg Kinnock, Rumpty Tumpty, Junker, Mandelson et al

3) Vast amounts of our money being wasted on schemes where that money spent here in the UK could have done so much more.

 

4) A company which had not balanced and audited it's books for two years never mind over twenty would be out of business. The fraud within the EU is mind boggling. Taking the standard travel money and then using a cheaper travel arrangement is very much the tip of the iceberg

5) Within twelve months my right to have a gun/rifle and go hunting would without doubt be infringed with the new directives aimed at gun control due to go through the Commision.

Edited July 5, 2016 by Walker570

[Rewulf]

 

 

What we all have to remember is that as we have a Representative Democracy we gave the power to our elected MPs to decide for us.

 

Not in the case of the referendum,it was done as proportional representation.

Otherwise we would just have had a snap election on the basis of which MP wanted in or out,a virtual impossibility.

You cant make out it was going to be proportional ,then end up letting the MPs decide,they would never get re elected ,and thats just for starters!

[MrM]

 

Not in the case of the referendum,it was done as proportional representation.

Otherwise we would just have had a snap election on the basis of which MP wanted in or out,a virtual impossibility.

You cant make out it was going to be proportional ,then end up letting the MPs decide,they would never get re elected ,and thats just for starters!

Unfortunately this was done as a consultative referendum, which means it has no legal standing, unlike the Alternative Vote referendum in 2011. And yes it will up to each MP to decide. Now we would hope they go with the decision of their constituents.

Edited July 5, 2016 by MrM

[Rewulf]

Unfortunately this was done as a consultative referendum, unlike the Alternative Vote referendum in 2011 which wasn't. And yes it will up to each MP to decide. Now we would hope they go with the decision of their constituents.

 

Thats the first time I have heard the term 'consultative ' about it.

I believe, and I think the majority believe, we were voting in or out.

Im sure Cameron said as much too,so if the goal posts are going to be changed...

How about this then,say the population voted 60/40 to STAY ,but then the MPs debated and decided upon majority vote to leave,how would the majority of the population feel about that ?

Please dont quote about election majorities ,I understand how they work,and why it must be FPTP.

But this referendum was not sold to the people as that.

[MrM]

 

Thats the first time I have heard the term 'consultative ' about it.

 

 

Here is the actual parliamentary bill from June last year - have a look at page 25!

 

http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7212/CBP-7212.pdf

 

And no I didn't know it wasn't binding till after the event either.

[Danger-Mouse]

 

Thats the first time I have heard the term 'consultative ' about it.

I believe, and I think the majority believe, we were voting in or out.

Im sure Cameron said as much too,so if the goal posts are going to be changed...

How about this then,say the population voted 60/40 to STAY ,but then the MPs debated and decided upon majority vote to leave,how would the majority of the population feel about that ?

Please dont quote about election majorities ,I understand how they work,and why it must be FPTP.

But this referendum was not sold to the people as that.

 

It was an advisory referendum, there`s absolutely no doubt about that. Many of the public may have been unaware of it but nonetheless that is the case.

 

However Cameron stated before the result that whatever the result it would be adhered to and Parliament as a whole seem to be set on following that policy and carrying out the will of the majority (and rightly so).

[Gordon R]

Jaymo - I presume you can read - I didn't say all crime was down to immigrants. I posed the question as to what proportion.

 

I am not anti immigration - far from it. Many immigrants serve the NHS, for example and add something to the country. I object to the serious criminals, fraudsters, pickpockets etc.

 

What I cannot sanction is unlimited immigration. As you find answers so easy, just how many would you let in before you said enough is enough? Put a figure on it then I will know whether you share my view or are just irresponsible.

[mick miller]

The UK economy was heading for recession anyway, whether we stayed in the EU or whether we left. Osborne was unlikely to meet his target for deficit reduction, this is a convenient donkey onto which to pin the blame. The pound has been substantially overvalued compared to other currencies for a long time, an adjustment would have come inevitably anyway.

 

I'm not convinced that the EU's direction of 'austerity' was, or is, the best way to deal with any financial crisis. Effectively, by bailing out the banks way back in the last financial crisis, all we did was kick the can down the road. No doubt, Brexit has accelerated how fast the problems we dealt with poorly before are going to return to bite us all, but this will be Europe if not worldwide.

 

I'm afraid I am yet to be convinced of the financial health of the EU member states either.

[ShootingEgg]

We are already receiving inquiries and offers to discuss trade deals.

Shame its not being put out as news and in a positive way though..