Gordon R Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 There are great and also poor barristers - I have seen a number of both. The Jo Cox case seems open and shut, but there are very few certainties in law. As an aside - a relative was involved in a halfwit trying to run him off the road. There was a Mags trial on this and other matters. The Defence brief said in relation to the motoring aspect - "What can I say" and threw up his hands. The defendant was acquitted. I know it happened, as I was sat in court. I can only think the Bench were asleep or out of their depth. Other suggestions at the time were the Masons and Rotary Club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 Barristers and salespeople are the same, one happens to earn more than the other and if his pitch/proposal isn't bought into, the consequences for one are a lot worse.... It is indeed a drama. There are great and also poor barristers - I have seen a number of both. The Jo Cox case seems open and shut, but there are very few certainties in law.As an aside - a relative was involved in a halfwit trying to run him off the road. There was a Mags trial on this and other matters. The Defence brief said in relation to the motoring aspect - "What can I say" and threw up his hands. The defendant was acquitted. I know it happened, as I was sat in court. I can only think the Bench were asleep or out of their depth. Other suggestions at the time were the Masons and Rotary Club. I know a couple of people who have been magistrates, one of whom i wouldn't trust to decide which TV channel to watch, never mind make a decent decision on anything else! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 Barristers and salespeople are the same, one happens to earn more than the other and if his pitch/proposal isn't bought into, the consequences for one are a lot worse.... It is indeed a drama. I know a couple of people who have been magistrates, one of whom i wouldn't trust to decide which TV channel to watch, never mind make a decent decision on anything else! Unfortunately the JP position does attract the wrong sort in many cases. Think of Captain Mainwaring and you've got the archetypical JP wannabe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 I like that comparison! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 Unfortunately the JP position does attract the wrong sort in many cases. Think of Captain Mainwaring and you've got the archetypical JP wannabe. What type have you experienced ? For one thing I have heard it's quite hard to actually get into. But apparently it's unpaid, what hard working person has got time to give up unpaid for such a serious job ? Ridiculous really! You've basically got to be retired and quite well off to even consider it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobt Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 I was invited by the chair of our local magistrates bench to be a JP some years ago, didnt have the free time as working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 What type have you experienced ? For one thing I have heard it's quite hard to actually get into. But apparently it's unpaid, what hard working person has got time to give up unpaid for such a serious job ? Ridiculous really! You've basically got to be retired and quite well off to even consider it. Maybe the JP's employer foots the bill, voluntarily or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 What type have you experienced ? For one thing I have heard it's quite hard to actually get into. But apparently it's unpaid, what hard working person has got time to give up unpaid for such a serious job ? Ridiculous really! You've basically got to be retired and quite well off to even consider it. I came across them when giving evidence at Magistrate's Court. They generally fell into two categories; the Little Hitler / Busybody type who were invariably males and the twee, nice but dim ladies who were doing their civic duty even though they hadn't a clue about the real world. Thankfully they normally presided in threes so there was a bit of equilibrium and of course they had to be guided by the Clerk of the Court who was the only one of the bunch with any legal training. Given that they received a notice giving them the maximum they could send to jail, based on the places available and the random way that cases are listed,more often than not someone deserving a sentence early in the day gets a fine as the JPs keep their only prison place back just in case somebody more deserving comes along in the afternoon. Its a farce! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 (edited) What type have you experienced ? For one thing I have heard it's quite hard to actually get into. But apparently it's unpaid, what hard working person has got time to give up unpaid for such a serious job ? Ridiculous really! You've basically got to be retired and quite well off to even consider it. Its not exactly unpaid you don't get a salary but you get a good 'three figure sum' a day expenses. Anyone can apply to be a magistrate you phone up the court and they will send you an application form. The Capt Mainwearing analogy is a bit outdated today. Because they are so politically correct now most of the new ones coming through are people able to tick multiple boxes in the 'diversity' part of the application form Edited November 21, 2016 by Vince Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Although good to see the bloke that killed her has got life and the judge said he won't be getting out, but why is her life worth more than the guy who was murdered in his own home not far from me? His killer got sixteen years today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Although good to see the bloke that killed her has got life and the judge said he won't be getting out, but why is her life worth more than the guy who was murdered in his own home not far from me? His killer got sixteen years today. Because the establishment, via the judiciary, makes an example of those that attack the establishment.........ask yourself, why did the great train robbers get more porridge than murderers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 I have just watched her husband talk about the families future. Very touching and dignified. Not sure I could hold such composure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD140 Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 I have a similar opinion about the police. If ever a police officer is hurt (or worse) the relevant constabulary drops everything, goes into overdrive and the culprit is promptly brought to the strictest form of justice permitted. Why then when a police officer is found to be breaking the law is he/she inevitably given a lenient sentence? If they are trusted to enforce and uphold the law and then deliberately break it they should face a far harsher sentence than the rest of us!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 I have a similar opinion about the police. If ever a police officer is hurt (or worse) the relevant constabulary drops everything, goes into overdrive and the culprit is promptly brought to the strictest form of justice permitted. Why then when a police officer is found to be breaking the law is he/she inevitably given a lenient sentence? If they are trusted to enforce and uphold the law and then deliberately break it they should face a far harsher sentence than the rest of us!!! Have you got any examples of this? I have always believed that they get punished more than the average sentence. Panoma is right in that traditionally crimes against the State are treated more seriously than crimes against the person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 (edited) I have a similar opinion about the police. If ever a police officer is hurt (or worse) the relevant constabulary drops everything, goes into overdrive and the culprit is promptly brought to the strictest form of justice permitted. Why then when a police officer is found to be breaking the law is he/she inevitably given a lenient sentence? If they are trusted to enforce and uphold the law and then deliberately break it they should face a far harsher sentence than the rest of us!!!I can assure you police caught breaking the law get a harsher punishment it's called a aggravating factor. Edited November 23, 2016 by 12gauge82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD140 Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 I can assure you police caught breaking the law get a harsher punishment it's called a aggravating factor. Are you in the police by any chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 The tougher sentence normally relates to the accused being in a position of trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 The tougher sentence normally relates to the accused being in a position of trust.Correct Are you in the police by any chance? No, although I have some (basic) knowledge re:- law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD140 Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 "Imagine you lived in a country which last year had 3,000 allegations of police corruption. Worse, imagine that of these 3,000 allegations only half of them were properly investigated — because for police officers in this country, corruption was becoming routine. Imagine that the police increasingly used their powers to crack down not on criminals but on anyone who dared speak out against them. What sort of a country is this? Well, it’s Britain I’m afraid — where what was once the finest, most honest service in the world is in danger of becoming rotten". The above is a quotation from a very well known newspaper printed last year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 "Imagine you lived in a country which last year had 3,000 allegations of police corruption. Worse, imagine that of these 3,000 allegations only half of them were properly investigated because for police officers in this country, corruption was becoming routine. Imagine that the police increasingly used their powers to crack down not on criminals but on anyone who dared speak out against them. What sort of a country is this? Well, its Britain Im afraid where what was once the finest, most honest service in the world is in danger of becoming rotten". The above is a quotation from a very well known newspaper printed last year! I think you'll find police corruption levels are at an all time low. The met back in the day was shocking. Why are you shouting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 You've got to think with the likes of the ipcc, cctv, social media and everyone has a camera in their pocket 24/7 I.e camera phone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD140 Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 I wasn't 'SHOUTING'. The site somehow altered my text size! I think you'll find police corruption levels are at an all time low. The met back in the day was shocking. Why are you shouting? I think you'll find police corruption levels are at an all time low. The met back in the day was shocking. Why are you shouting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Shredder. Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Where is the Jo Cox case in all that is being placed on forum at the moment ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Perhaps government and the police should be asking and investigating why he had the gun and cartridges and where he sourced them? was his doctor asked by the authorities/police to vouch as to whether he was fit to have one? I doubt it because the gun was illegally altered and consequently illegally held! Perhaps the authorities/police should ask doctors to confirm whether any of their patients suffers from any medical condition that in the future could indicate they may present a potential danger to the public? Perhaps the authorities/police should ask GP's to put a marker on every patients medical records identifying individuals they think may, in the future pose a potential danger to the public? They have for heavily scrutinised, thoroughly checked and vetted law abiding legal gun owners, who statistically pose no threat to the public....so why not? The authorities constantly hound, legislate against, and suggest increased regulation of legal gun ownership and owners who have already passed scrutiny on their suitability to possess guns, but are apparantly impotent when it comes to keeping the public safe from crooks, extremists and care in the community nutters possessing illegal weapons.......when dreaming up new laws and regulation they constantly penalise the law abiding and focus on the tool used to commit murder.........but never on the person who commits murder. When will the authorities acknowledge it is "not" guns that kill people it's "people" that kill people" and when will the police leave legal gun ownership, owners and sporting shooters alone and focus on stopping the illegal possession of guns held by crooks, nutters and terrorists for nefarious purposes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD140 Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 I think you'll find police corruption levels are at an all time low. The met back in the day was shocking. Why are you shouting? Well lets hope you're right. My partner and I ran a business for over ten years, which largely used cash, during that period we were robbed on 6 separate occasions. On occasion one occasion alone we lost £3.5k. We even dropped CCTV footage at the local police station as they couldn't be bothered to collect it and again heard nothing. We had a man go berserk, threatens and push staff, force is way into a restricted area, all caught again on CCTV. One of the arresting officers told us (after watching the footage) he would be charged with affray, which was a more serious charge than assualt, he was released without charge and back to his old tricks the next day! During all these robberies we never set eyes on the CID, they would arrange a visit but never showed up on any of the occasions. This perhaps explains why I'm cynical about the police!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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