Oxfordshooter Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 Here's the link to help pay the £30,000 legal fees of 83-year-old farmer Kenneth Hugill. https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/supportkennethhugill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandringstar Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 why does he have to pay legal fees, it was a state prosecution, not a civil case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 But would he not have to pay for his own defense lawyer/solicitor ? I presume he had one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) He had to spend 30k to pay( borrow ) for his own defence. This is what the money is for. He is only a tennet farmer. I drive past his place a fare bit and it's nowt to talk about I can telll you. Come on boys and girls stick you hands in your pocket and give a pound. And before someone says well why did he not get legal aid. The stubborn old ****** would not apply for it 😂 That's an old school Lincolnshire farmer for you. Edited March 14, 2017 by stevo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 He had to spend 30k to pay( borrow ) for his own defence. This is what the money is for. He is only a tennet farmer. I drive past his place a fare bit and it's nowt to talk about I can telll you. Come on boys and girls stick you hands in your pocket and give a pound. And before someone says well why did he not get legal aid. The stubborn old ****** would not apply for it That's an old school Lincolnshire farmer for you. if he was entitled to legal aid then he should have applied,how did he think he was going to cover his bill??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandringstar Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 I don't believe that line about how he is an old school lincoln farmer and that's why he dident apply for legal aid.............total nonsense.......fake news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 Oh what ever ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) if he was entitled to legal aid then he should have applied,how did he think he was going to cover his bill??? Legal aid is now means tested, if you earn above 12k ish you only get a contribution if above 22k ish you get nothing and that’s combined income. A farmer and his wife are going to earn more than 12K and probably over 22K. Really rubbish if you ask me but that’s what it is, and legal aid only pay a really low hourly rate that gets pretty basic limited legal representation. If you are caught shoplifting no problem but for this case you need to get decent representation and that's going to cost you more than legal aid if you can even get it are prepared to pay. Edited March 14, 2017 by timps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 why does he have to pay legal fees, it was a state prosecution, not a civil case. I imagine as in lots of cases, justice is there for those that can afford it. Wise words I have received in the past - never use the public brief. Would he even be entitled to legal aid anyway? I doubt it after the way they have been cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich1984 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 Done, its just over 10k and counting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandringstar Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 it shows how quickly you can get behind the times, so a man, who was defending himself and bothering no one, is state prosecuted, found innocent and owes 30 grand, sounds like America to me. One more reason to avoid the beak at all costs, maybe that's the idea................or defend yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxfordshooter Posted March 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 I wonder if the reason he was prosecuted was because the shots were fired outside on his land defending property as opposed to in his house defending life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandringstar Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 I know why he was prosecuted, but I cant be doing with another warning, use your imagination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-dot Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 I have no time for anyone going to get keys and taking a shotgun from secure storeage on hearing a car near their house at 2AM. Never mind discharging it towards another human being in a reckless manner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilksy II Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 I thought he was at wilberfoss on the Beverley to york road! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandringstar Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 I have no time for anyone going to get keys and taking a shotgun from secure storeage on hearing a car near their house at 2AM. Never mind discharging it towards another human being in a reckless manner. no neither did the jury, that's why he was found not guilty, or maybe you are referring to a different case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 I have no time for anyone going to get keys and taking a shotgun from secure storeage on hearing a car near their house at 2AM. Never mind discharging it towards another human being in a reckless manner. After that post I believe you may find yourself in a minority. From the tone of your post I can also ascertain that that will not bother you one jot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 I have no time for anyone going to get keys and taking a shotgun from secure storeage on hearing a car near their house at 2AM. Never mind discharging it towards another human being in a reckless manner. So what should he have done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 So what should he have done? Walked outside using his crutch to aid him, then told them to "be off" got batter with his crutch by the nice gentlemen running dogs, let them get a away scot free and received slow medical treatment from the NHS. What went through his mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-dot Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) Where on our SGC's does it say they are issued for self protection? Or for the prevention of fuel theft as Farmer Palmer claimed..... He should have locked all his doors and called 999. Edited March 14, 2017 by Red-dot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 Where on our SGC's does it say they are issued for self protection? Or for the prevention of fuel theft as Farmer Palmer claimed..... He should have locked all his doors and called 999. Last time I checked mine didn't mention anything about what it could or couldn't be used for. As far as I am concerned I could use it to hammer nails in (and the way I shoot would be a better use of it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 I would use any means necessary to protect my family and property. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 What's the difference between the bloke not applying for legal aid because of pride or something, and then his supporters setting up a fund to pay for his defense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remimax Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) Where on our SGC's does it say they are issued for self protection? Or for the prevention of fuel theft as Farmer Palmer claimed..... He should have locked all his doors and called 999. yes ....................then hide under the kitchen table while adopting the brace position making sure his rusty bullet hole was lubed and ready. im sure plod would of been on scene in record time of around. 12 hours. Edited March 14, 2017 by Remimax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 This thread is not about arguing the merits of the prosecution/defence again, we have had a thread for that, , its a request to help with the chaps legal expenses. Pretty simple really, you give, or you don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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