Zetter Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 Hi All Sorry if this comes off as a bit of a newbie question but how do bullets for reloading work with regard to you limit to hold? I know expanding bullets are entered onto your ticket as they are section 5 although I understand this is about to change. But what about non expanding bullets i.e. match ammunition how does this work? Is it entered onto your ticket on purchase or can you buy what you like and just show your FAC? Also for both the above do the bullets themselves count towards your total hold capacity or is it only the assembled cartridges? The only reason for asking is it involves a bit of a trip for me to get bullets and I would like next time I go to stock up a bit with components but dont want to fall foul of my hold capacity. I hope this makes sense Cheers Zetter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 As the law stands, you can have as many non-expanding bullets on your licence as you like. The RFD will write them on your ticket, but they don't count towards your total until they are made up into rounds. Expanding bullets themselves count towards your total and are considered live rounds, whether made up or not, even though they are nothing but chunks of metal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetter Posted March 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 Cheers Walshie Thats really helpful I just want to get some non expanding for things like the PW shoot rather than burning V max so I will pick up a batch. Zetter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 Cheers Walshie Thats really helpful I just want to get some non expanding for things like the PW shoot rather than burning V max so I will pick up a batch. Zetter For non expanding bullets its just as easy to buy online especially if your nearest stockist is out of your way. Ive never had them put on my fac either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 No they don't get put on your FAC and I buy mine online too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetter Posted March 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 Brilliant thanks all I will sort out get some Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 No book yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix's rifle Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 I've not had expanding put on my fac? They get put on if hmr or cartridges but bullets alone don't? Is that right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reggiegun Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 This is the problem when expanding ammo law changes, if you mail order how are the flo's going to check your ammo use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 This is the problem when expanding ammo law changes, if you mail order how are the flo's going to check your ammo use? Keep the receipts and a log of what you reload Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 I've not had expanding put on my fac? They get put on if hmr or cartridges but bullets alone don't? Is that right? No. Expanding bullets should be entered on to your fac and should be kept in a safe as you would made up rounds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 So even if you keep some sort of log what does that prove. You can write anything down but does that bear any relationship with what you have or haven't loaded. Another make it up as you go along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 This is the problem when expanding ammo law changes, if you mail order how are the flo's going to check your ammo use? Realistically, what difference does it make? Its checking for checking's sake. If you are legit you are legit, if you are not legit you can pull the wool over their eyes so easily it makes no difference anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 My feo said if they are not made up it doesn't count. I asked for 500 .233 on my ticket and It made him ask why. That was his answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 This is the problem when expanding ammo law changes, if you mail order how are the flo's going to check your ammo use? No different to when I was target shooting according to my FAC I'd never bought an ammo for my 7.62 but I used it nearly every weekend in the warmer months. My feo said if they are not made up it doesn't count. I asked for 500 .233 on my ticket and It made him ask why. That was his answer Issue is I couldn't sell you 500 bullets only what your licence allows you to hold or buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 No different to when I was target shooting according to my FAC I'd never bought an ammo for my 7.62 but I used it nearly every weekend in the warmer months. Issue is I couldn't sell you 500 bullets only what your licence allows you to hold or buy. Which is completely meaningless legislation because if he was some sort of fruitcake its inconceivable he would ever need more than one box of 100. Even if he did need more he could stockpile them, so where is the inherent safety in restricting them? What it does restrict are my totally law abiding mates who live in Mid Wales and face an all day round trip driving to buy one box when they possibly could buy ten boxes a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 Oh I agree but that's the law and the requirement is to stick to it. I at one time could only hold 75 rounds as I was an RFD and so had a plentiful supply so didn't need to hold more. That was barking but I had to stick to it until I got it over and ruled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyboy1950 Posted March 26, 2017 Report Share Posted March 26, 2017 I do not kept any shooting logs, to demonstrate usage, but I keep every popped primer from every case I have reloaded, its amazing just how many I have used over the last year, enough to fill a large PPU bullet head box. If my FEO wants to count them, well he`s welcome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetter Posted March 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2017 I cant remember if it was off here or someone told me about it but I was talking hold limits on Rimmy ammo with someone and they knew a guy who had a .22lr for bunny control in his garden and as he didnt have a massive issue they set his hold limit at I think 25. Which presented a bit of an issue as they come in boxes of 50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savhmr Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) I just keep my receipts every time I buy non expanding as well as S5 (which get recorded anyway) which is proof positive that I've bought them, and they get recorded. Everything gets recorded so that at renewals time I can demonstrate, supported by evidence, that I have bought x amount over the 5 year period. It helps to justify your allowance, because I've been reliably informed if over the 5 year lcence period your actual use will be reviewed and may be reduced accordingly, if your allowance hasn't been used. Better safe than sorry. Record them and keep the receipts. Haven't seen the latest on S5, but I believe it will still be some time before current law changes there. Edited March 28, 2017 by Savhmr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 I cant remember if it was off here or someone told me about it but I was talking hold limits on Rimmy ammo with someone and they knew a guy who had a .22lr for bunny control in his garden and as he didnt have a massive issue they set his hold limit at I think 25. Which presented a bit of an issue as they come in boxes of 50 Knew of a shooter with a hold limit of 100/110. Had almost 120 on renewal. Almost got prosecuted for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 Knew of a shooter with a hold limit of 100/110. Had almost 120 on renewal. Almost got prosecuted for it. Smallbore shooter used to get caught out (when I was into it) few lost their FAC that I know of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix's rifle Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 Spoke to my licensing dept yesterday who said bullets don't have to go on your fac wether there expanding or Not? I'm confused now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 What a mess all of these rules are. I don't reload and this thread is a bit of an eye opener. Comment is made of things about o change. Does anyone know the proposals for change or when proposals are due? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 As far as i know s5 (expanding) bullets are to be taken off s5. what that will mean for us shooters that use the is anyone's guess. hopefully it will mean cheaper transport costs but probably not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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