Syria

[Walker570]

Thoughts ??

 

With what happened there last night and the events in the South China Sea plus North Korea, should we start to dig our shelters right now?

[sako751sg]

No.

Im going shooting instead.

[krugerandsmith]

No.

Im going shooting instead.

 

Why do we have the .... United Nations Organisation? Complete toothless tiger and useless when needed.

[Cantrem ember]

Well he has shown old Obama up again, remember his "red line" comments about chemical weapons being used in the region?

[oldypigeonpopper]

hello, they should have gone straight for assads palace, what he did to his own people must be the most in humane cowardly act of a dictator, did not sadam do the same to the kurds?

Edited April 7, 2017 by oldypigeonpopper

[m3vert]

No.

Im going shooting instead.

Good shout! You can dig the shelter when you come back ;-)

[Mungler]

It's terrible but.... it's just more of the same in that region and I for one am snowblind to it, terrible as that may be.

 

I am waiting for the resident socialist to pop up and defend the actions of Assad or perhaps suggest a media conspiracy in that it never happened.

 

I for one just want an end to that conflict one way or the other. History tends to suggest that that region needs a brutal regime to stop the descent into chaotic civil / religious war that we seen and so the smart money is on Russia / Assad.

[arm3000gt]

I think any bridges the trump wanted build with Putin have just been singed to say the least. A worrying turn of events especially so soon after the event. Is all the intelligence gathered accurate. Was it 100% definitely the Assad Governments forces. I'm sure we all remember when the intelligence services said absolutely 100% Saddam had weapons of mass destruction ready to launch at a moments notice. I'd hoped with Trump in charge Syria would have ceased to be a West lead proxy war. The conflict has been extended far longer than it could have been due to western 'help' already. This could be the first step into an even bigger mess.... I hope not.

[wandringstar]

Just a quick comment on this one, how did they know within a very short time who the perpetrators were?.... We are supposed to believe that they are so decisively sure, that within hours they are launching mayhem themselves?

 

Trump was elected on fixing America, he just did a u turn and is now in someones backyard which he said he wouldn't be doing.

 

Things aint adding up.

Edited April 7, 2017 by wandringstar

[TIGHTCHOKE]

How do you and your Generals decide upon firing 59 Cruise Missiles?

[AVB]

America poking its nose in again.

[lister22]

How do you and your Generals decide upon firing 59 Cruise Missiles?

Use before date. Edited April 7, 2017 by lister22

[inthedark]

I think that if the 'Western powers' had kept their nose out (Hussein and Ghaddafi), none of this **** would be going down right now. All motivated by access to oil, the human cost was never considered, as usual.

[KFC]

I think that if the 'Western powers' had kept their nose out (Hussein and Ghaddafi), none of this **** would be going down right now. All motivated by access to oil, the human cost was never considered, as usual.

Agreed, and we haven't any teethgnashing reports about the fact that coalition airstrikes killed 1,000 civilians during March

 

http://www.newsweek.com/trumps-war-civilian-deaths-syria-577353

[Rewulf]

Just a quick comment on this one, how did they know within a very short time who the perpetrators were?.... We are supposed to believe that they are so decisively sure, that within hours they are launching mayhem themselves?

 

Trump was elected on fixing America, he just did a u turn and is now in someones backyard which he said he wouldn't be doing.

 

Things aint adding up.

 

The gas attack was 3 days ago, and their intelligence pinpointed the plane dropping the chemicals, and which airfield it came from, hence the target for the tomahawks.

You simply cant keep telling someone they cant do this or that, threatening action, and doing nothing, it makes you look weak.

 

Also, it is widely reported that the US administration notified the Russians beforehand its intentions,presumably with evidence ?

The Kremlin must be seen to support its ally, but also work with the new administration in the US.

Try to ignore the hype in the media about going to war with Russia, its utter baloney to sell papers.

[AVB]

It's terrible but.... it's just more of the same in that region and I for one am snowblind to it, terrible as that may be.

 

I am waiting for the resident socialist to pop up and defend the actions of Assad or perhaps suggest a media conspiracy in that it never happened.

 

I for one just want an end to that conflict one way or the other. History tends to suggest that that region needs a brutal regime to stop the descent into chaotic civil / religious war that we seen and so the smart money is on Russia / Assad.

 

The snowflakes must be in a right old dilemma. They hate Assad and they hate Trump. Lot's of hand wringing going on.

[Eyefor]

How do you and your Generals decide upon firing 59 Cruise Missiles?

 

Dud CCI primer on the 60th?

[Rewulf]

 

Dud CCI primer on the 60th?

 

Recent reports suggest it was , in fact a dud CCI primer on the 60 th.

You must be in the 'know'

[Scully]

I have to admit I'm just quite indifferent to it all now. Same old same old.

I despair because we're here for a short enough time as it is; why some insist on making what time we have even shorter I simply don't know.

I sometimes wish some massive alien spaceship about the size of Alaska would descend over the planet and little green men told us that unless we sorted ourselves out and sharpish, and stopped killing each other they'd turn earth into a molten glass ball. Or god would do the same. Neither of which is going to happen of course.

Like an old boy once told me; put all your wishes in one bucket, and ***** in another; see which ones fills up first.

Edited April 7, 2017 by Scully

[31NG]

I've got a new-found respect for Trump. It's simply intolerable that a murderous ******* like Assad be allowed to gas civilians with impunity. While the missile strike may not prevent him being able to do so again, it is a very clear message that such behaviour comes with consequences, and I expect the message has been passed that if he does it again, the strike by the US will be much larger and much more devastating.

 

For those who claim that all US action is motivated by oil, perhaps you can point me to the vast oil-fields in Syria? Even if there were any serious reserves, the easiest and cheapest way for the west to access them would be to side with Assad, and simply buy the stuff.

 

It's also been asked how the US know with certainty which airfield to strike. There is an enormous amount of intelligence gathering going on in and more importantly over Syria. The US coalition will have a very clear air picture of what aircraft are in the air, where they've come from and what they are doing. It would be a simple job to track back from the strike over Khan Sheikhoun to Shayrat. Yes, the US was able to act quickly, but that is the sign of a confident and capable navy. I don't doubt that the Pentagon has been assessing many possible targets for some time, so that they are able to respond to a very wide range of scenarios.

Edited April 7, 2017 by 31NG

[Rewulf]

 

For those who claim that all US action is motivated by oil, perhaps you can point me to the oil-fields in Syria? Even if there were any serious reserves, the easiest and cheapest way for the west to access them would be to side with Assad, and simply buy the stuff.

 

It's also been asked how the US know with certainty which airfield to strike. There is an enormous amount of intelligence gathering going on in and more importantly over Syria. The US coalition will have a very clear air picture of what aircraft are in the air

 

There are some quite hefty reserves of oil in Syria, maybe no where near the likes Saudi or Iraq, but something on a par with our own North sea Fields, and easier to extract.

However ,I dont believe thats what the US are interested in.

 

Absolutely correct on the intel, AWACS and satellite, would be able to 'prove' who did the chemical attack, the US spend billions on this type of info gathering.

[oldypigeonpopper]

I have to admit I'm just quite indifferent to it all now. Same old same old.

I despair because we're here for a short enough time as it is; why some insist on making what time we have even shorter I simply don't know.

I sometimes wish some massive alien spaceship about the size of Alaska would descend over the planet and little green men told us that unless we sorted ourselves out and sharpish, and stopped killing each other they'd turn earth into a molten glass ball. Or god would do the same. Neither of which is going to happen of course.

Like an old boy once told me; put all your wishes in one bucket, and ***** in another; see which ones fills up first.

well said Scully

[Vince Green]

Did Trump actually have a mandate to launch an attack on another country? I don't think he did?

 

Even Syria, as much as we despise what's going on there, is still a sovereign nation.

 

I don't care about the airfield, but he is off with the fairies, his press conference afterwards was weird

[kyska]

Did Trump actually have a mandate to launch an attack on another country? I don't think he did?

 

Even Syria, as much as we despise what's going on there, is still a sovereign nation.

 

I don't care about the airfield, but he is off with the fairies, his press conference afterwards was weird

I agree, unilateral strikes are just anarchic, it's an odd thing to do.

 

The lunchtime analysis on R4 was very interesting, Trumps critics argued this is a internal political move.

 

The Russians will do nothing, they are embarrassed and as of yet haven't cancelled the diplomatic meetings coming up.

[KFC]

For those who claim that all US action is motivated by oil, perhaps you can point me to the vast oil-fields in Syria? Even if there were any serious reserves, the easiest and cheapest way for the west to access them would be to side with Assad, and simply buy the stuff.

 

 

I believe it is more to do with geography and it's worth looking at an atlas. There is a massive NATO excercise going on in eastern Europe. Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq are destabilised. US ships are in the Black Sea, Straits of Malacca and South China Sea and also in Japan.

The US is always carrying out excercises supposedly in support of South Korea.

 

China has to ship its oil through the Straits of Malacca and South China Sea.

Russia has to maintain its access to the Black Sea through Crimea because that is the only southern access to the Mediterranean.

 

Looking at each individual conflict it doesn't look like much but joining them all up then the US has created a buffer zone between Russia, China and Saudi Arabian oil.

 

US policy down the years has been to push other countries into taking defensive action that has then been termed 'aggression' and given the US the excuse it was after for taking military action.

Either that or funding proxy wars that then turn into insurgencies that they were supposedly trying to prevent and instead create political vacuums that turn into breeding grounds for terrorism.

 

The questions I ask are, how come there has only ever been one 9/11?

How many countries have Russia invaded?

How many countries have China invaded?

How many countries have the US invaded?

 

How often do we get told that actions are being taken in response to other countries 'aggression' when, in fact they are just trying to defend themselves.

 

What's the difference between a chemical attack and hundreds of thousands of civilians being killed by Tomahawk missiles, Hellfire missiles and Reaper drones?

 

We're forever told that Russian aggression and Putin are our real enemy but I'm not so sure.