Mackenzie Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 My dad is applying for his SGC, he has checked his DVLA online and he has no outstanding points does he still need to declare all of the speeding tickets he's had because they go back quite some time and he can't remember all of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt1980 Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 Tricky one, if he's been caught a lot he might be deemed irresponsible? Not declaring it might make it worse, I always think they've had a look and know what the form should say before they come visit you. Personally I'd declare them, go back 5 years, think that's how long there are on your license but points only count for 3 years, bit like insurance companies when they ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackenzie Posted April 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 Yeah he doesn't go charging round the place he's just old so he's had time to amass a few Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 Declare everything, then the issuing authority will know you are honest. Hide something and they may well dig deeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul1440 Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 Yes he does. If he can't remember all the details list all those that he does know about and state that he is aware that he has had more and can't recall the exact details just an approximation of the year will probably do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 i used to put down motoring offences,all was ok.with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benkent Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 As said just put everything down if you can't remember details just say I had speeding convictions years ago but can't remember dates or codes that's what I done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 If he is geting on a bit,as some of us are.!. Put Down Ford 8 excessive Speed 65/70 flat out,shouldmake him smile anyway.lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 When I applied for my license last year I only put down the speeding offence that was still valid . I did not put down the old previous ones that had run out .they only want the was that are still valid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pstenson123 Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 I got 3 speeding tickets in 10 weeks just before my renewal was due & I was pooing myself thinking I'm going to loose my firearms cert, so before filling renewal forms in I phoned firearms licensing & explained about the 3 speeding & I was told "just put everything down & be honest!!! I got my renewal through, no probs, never questioned speeding fines when they came out to see me... happy days & good luck buddy.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxfordfowler Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 Just filled in my SGC/FAC (5 minutes ago) form clearly states "You must not withhold information about any conviction. This includes motoring offences (including speeding offences)". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 I just put that I have had three speed30s, one about 40 years ago and two about fifteen years ago but I don't have the details anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granett Posted April 14, 2017 Report Share Posted April 14, 2017 The form expressly excludes fixed penalty notices. Unless you had to attend court, any speeding offence was probably dealt by way of a FPN and not of interest to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racing snake Posted April 14, 2017 Report Share Posted April 14, 2017 The form expressly excludes fixed penalty notices. Unless you had to attend court, any speeding offence was probably dealt by way of a FPN and not of interest to them. Yes that's what I always thought - if it was a fixed penalty then no need to put it down. I've never put a FPN down on an application or renewal. I guess it doesn't do any harm though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospero Posted April 14, 2017 Report Share Posted April 14, 2017 FPN isn't counted as a conviction, so doesn't need to be declared. Everything else does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted April 14, 2017 Report Share Posted April 14, 2017 If he struggles seeing big round road signs 2ft across, how does he expect to shoot clays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted April 14, 2017 Report Share Posted April 14, 2017 The form expressly excludes fixed penalty notices. Unless you had to attend court, any speeding offence was probably dealt by way of a FPN and not of interest to them. My FEO told me that a 'cluster' of speeding offences or red light jumps (The traffic ones !) would attract a interview/review of FAC/SGC. Basically due to the attitude of the licence holder with regards their respect of the law. Therefore I would say anything that attracts points needs to be declared, they know anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granett Posted April 14, 2017 Report Share Posted April 14, 2017 (edited) My FEO told me that a 'cluster' of speeding offences or red light jumps (The traffic ones !) would attract a interview/review of FAC/SGC. Basically due to the attitude of the licence holder with regards their respect of the law. Therefore I would say anything that attracts points needs to be declared, they know anyway. The form says "not including parking offences or fixed penalty notices". If one interprets that as "FPNs need to be included" I guess that's down to individual interpretation. Edited April 14, 2017 by Granett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted April 14, 2017 Report Share Posted April 14, 2017 (edited) The form says "not including parking offences or fixed penalty notices". If one interprets that as "FPNs need to be included" I guess that's down to individual interpretation. (Including speeding but "not including parking offences or fixed penalty notices") Thats what the form actually says though doesnt it? So in answer To the OP, yes you need to declare speeding convictions. And I never said FPNs need to be included,only points type offences. Edit. Just checked a few other forms,I think the 'newest ' one says ,instead of the above ' 12. Have you been convicted of any offence (not including parking) or received a written caution? □Yes □No (If yes, give details of all convictions and/or formal written cautions, binding overs and spent convictions, including those received outside Great Britain) Edited April 14, 2017 by Rewulf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granett Posted April 14, 2017 Report Share Posted April 14, 2017 (edited) Actually the op asked about speeding tickets. A FPN (including those that include points on your licence) isn't a conviction. It doesn't need to be declared. But let's put it down to personal interpretation. Edited April 14, 2017 by Granett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted April 14, 2017 Report Share Posted April 14, 2017 Everything means everything. I can't remember the dates of any of my past motoring tickets and I just state that. When the FEO visited me for the quinquennial renewal a few weeks ago he had obviously done a check before the interview and simply said Oh yes they are all historic. No problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted April 14, 2017 Report Share Posted April 14, 2017 (edited) Actually the op asked about speeding tickets. A FPN (including those that include points on your licence) isn't a conviction. It doesn't need to be declared. But let's put it down to personal interpretation. Actually the OP asked whether speeding convictions needed to be put down on a firearm app. And a penalty notice that includes points can be a conviction, that does need to be put down. Read any firearms application, its plain as day. Or read this https://thedrivingsolicitor.co.uk/2015/08/18/will-a-driving-conviction-appear-on-my-criminal-record/ I thought you were in the legal profession ? Edited April 14, 2017 by Rewulf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 14, 2017 Report Share Posted April 14, 2017 Personally I wouldn't bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granett Posted April 14, 2017 Report Share Posted April 14, 2017 (edited) Actually the OP asked whether speeding convictions needed to be put down on a firearm app. And a penalty notice that includes points can be a conviction, that does need to be put down. Read any firearms application, its plain as day. Or read this https://thedrivingsolicitor.co.uk/2015/08/18/will-a-driving-conviction-appear-on-my-criminal-record/ I thought you were in the legal profession ? You've had a number of goes, and still you're wrong - go back and actually read his post: "SGC" and "speeding tickets". Edited April 14, 2017 by Granett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 14, 2017 Report Share Posted April 14, 2017 Does it matter if you put them on . They can check if you have any or not . If they need them they are on the form If not then they will not bother But if they do and you don't they will post it back to start again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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