Lloyd90 Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 Well hopefully after moving house in the coming months I’ll be on the lookout for the next worker. now the Gf has said she wouldn’t mind me having a Cocker because they’re a bit smaller around the house and seem nicer ? now I do fancy getting a cocker but would worry as been told they can struggle on retrieves for cock pheasants or ducks? Most my shooting now is walked up pheasants, the odd bit of duck and hopefully pigeons and crows this coming summer. The walked up shooting I do is what’s pushig me to a spaniel over a lab. What have people with either / both found? Move also been told it’s much easier to train a Springer go a happy standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 Cocker. Springer are just too nuts. I await a host of Springer owners coming along to tell you otherwise.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 (edited) I would have said that cockers are the madest of the two but at the end of the day both will be good you only end up with a good dog if you put the time in with the training and do not rush any stage of it Never take it crow shooting cockers are capable of retieving pheasant and duck some will even be fine with hare's Edited December 31, 2017 by B725 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 I can assure you that cockers are well capable of retrieving big cock pheasants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadog1408 Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 Cocker will do the job, have been shooting over spaniels most of the season and the cocker spaniel is just as capable as the springer. mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archi Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 (edited) As a curve ball what about a clumber spaniel. Edited December 31, 2017 by archi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 14 minutes ago, archi said: As a curve ball what about a climber spaniel. Would that dog retrieve squirrels stuck in trees? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delwint Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 10 minutes ago, JDog said: Would that dog retrieve squirrels stuck in trees? Only if he has a ladder ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, Delwint said: Only if he has a ladder ? Excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 Some breeders of working dogs say that the “modern” Springer Spaniel have had the go breed out of them and favour Cockers, I personally prefer Springer’s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted December 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 I’ve never had a cocker so fancy trying one, the good reports off you gents is pushing me in their favour. Re a clumber, I think it’s hard enough to find a decent worker regardless but to do it with a breed you know nothing about is just a bit harder. Maybe in the future lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 Never had a problem with my cocker retrieving anything have the one you like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted December 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 I’ve never had a cocker so fancy trying one, the good reports off you gents is pushing me in their favour. Re a clumber, I think it’s hard enough to find a decent worker regardless but to do it with a breed you know nothing about is just a bit harder. Maybe in the future lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollieollie Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 If you 'fancy' trying something dont make it a dog, a new food maybe would suit. On dogs, i have had both cockers, springers & HPR's. IMHO a springer from good lines would suit, i find cockers a little more head strong than the springer To add, just my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted December 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 9 minutes ago, Ollieollie said: If you 'fancy' trying something dont make it a dog, a new food maybe would suit. On dogs, i have had both cockers, springers & HPR's. IMHO a springer from good lines would suit, i find cockers a little more head strong than the springer To add, just my opinion Wise words Oli... although what a shame if you only ever stuck to what you knew, and never discovered the joys of something different. It probably won’t be until around Summer 2018 so plenty of time to think and choose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 Or you could have one of each and in different coulors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO3isme Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 Got a 14 week old Cocker pup sleeping next to me at the moment. It's not mine but the week I have spent with it leads me to believe it would make a great worker. It's massively keen on retrieving and very attentive. Easy to motivate with food or affection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry78 Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 If your shooting is mostly walked up a cocker a great wee dog people say there more head strung than springers which i think is wrong a springer will quarter any rough cover but cocker will only go in to rough cover if it gets a scent NOW Thats according to the mate who breeds cockers ive seen cockers retrieve duck on a lough but dont know bout foreshore but all in all great wee dogs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michufc Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 I have had both and cockers can handle cock birds but I found a bit harder to train than my springers but really you are going to have your new partner for the next decade or so so just go with your heart all the best mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 If your not into the breading the go spocker. people will say you are taking a chance at getting a pile of **** but i have seen many many pile of kennelclub dogs. i run cockers but when times comes i will replace with spockers. main reason is the vet bills on the shoots, they do get banged up so you do use the insurance. H57 dogs are a lot cheaper to insure and they will do the same job as the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 I have had many good dogs, mostly Labradors but my current dog, a sprocker, is the best of the lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO3isme Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 30 minutes ago, activeviii said: If your not into the breading the go spocker. people will say you are taking a chance at getting a pile of **** but i have seen many many pile of kennelclub dogs. i run cockers but when times comes i will replace with spockers. main reason is the vet bills on the shoots, they do get banged up so you do use the insurance. H57 dogs are a lot cheaper to insure and they will do the same job as the rest. I have learnt something new today already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 34 minutes ago, activeviii said: If your not into the breading the go spocker. people will say you are taking a chance at getting a pile of **** but i have seen many many pile of kennelclub dogs. i run cockers but when times comes i will replace with spockers. main reason is the vet bills on the shoots, they do get banged up so you do use the insurance. H57 dogs are a lot cheaper to insure and they will do the same job as the rest. Sprocker’s in my day they were called mongrels, but having said that if you look at any vets waiting room or TV program most of the dogs are pedigree breeds, as you rightly say mongrels (cross breeds) don’t seem to suffer the same illnesses of pedigree dogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 my cocker bitch on a long retrieve. For the record she didn't spit it out, I took it too early and dropped it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 1 hour ago, activeviii said: If your not into the breading the go spocker. people will say you are taking a chance at getting a pile of **** but i have seen many many pile of kennelclub dogs. i run cockers but when times comes i will replace with spockers. main reason is the vet bills on the shoots, they do get banged up so you do use the insurance. H57 dogs are a lot cheaper to insure and they will do the same job as the rest. +1 1 hour ago, old'un said: Sprocker’s in my day they were called mongrels, but having said that if you look at any vets waiting room or TV program most of the dogs are pedigree breeds, as you rightly say mongrels (cross breeds) don’t seem to suffer the same illnesses of pedigree dogs. Nope - not mongrels they are all spaniel - in my youth we had spaniels, small ones were used for woodland (cockers) and large ones for foreshore (springers) - could not afford KC registered, that was for toffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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