A New Political Party on the horizon.

[walshie]

19 hours ago, Wb123 said:

Could be interesting, I would happily have voted for a more central labour party at the last general election rather than the conservatives but the only options other than a conservative party heading a bit to far to the right were hard left loons. 

A bit far to the right? There's nothing even slightly to the right about these conservatives IMO. 

As for the new party with their apparent goal to overturn Brexit, that means at least half the voters won't vote for them for a start. And how can they overturn Brexit if the next G.E is after we have left?

Farage should have never given up leadership of UKIP.

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, Zapp said:

This will be Blair and the gang getting ready to abandon Corbyn's ship.

If this is correct, to say I'm disappointed would be an understatement, that said I don't know why I hoped for or expected anything better.

[JohnfromUK]

A number of names seem to be associated (either as possible participants, or as a 'model').  They include Blair and Clegg.  I'd rather cut my hand off than have those back in power.

[old man]

8 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

If this is correct, to say I'm disappointed would be an understatement, that said I don't know why I hoped for or expected anything better.

Goes for me too. We need a clean sweep including the cellar rodents.

Why is it impossible here to just have common sense politics?  Possibly due to the constant interference by lobbyists? 

 

[Yellow Bear]

1 hour ago, Zapp said:

This will be Blair and the gang getting ready to abandon Corbyn's ship.

...................along with the failed limp-damps set to get their snouts back in the trough.

[Ollieollie]

If there is even the smallest chance of Blair making a reappearance it should be stopped immediately 

[JohnfromUK]

35 minutes ago, old man said:

Why is it impossible here to just have common sense politics?

Well, IF you look at a set of what should be goals for the country, there isn't really a party aligned to carry those through, so there is a gap.  Who to take the lead/other roles is MUCH more difficult.  For me (and I appreciate these things are personal) - Here are a dozen I see as some top level goals;

1. Carrying through a proper Brexit as the electorate decided.
2. Keeping our defences strong and fit for purpose.
3. Managing our borders well.
4. Balancing income/spending and starting to gradually pay back our mountain of debt (which will become really crippling as interest rates rise).
5. Looking after the sick, elderly, and GENUINE  needy.  (i.e. a good NHS and targeted care/benefit system).
6. Encouraging people to take responsibility for themselves and their children, and not expect the 'nanny state' to do everything.
7. Driving forward efficiency to enable British industry to invest to become lean and internationally competitive.
8. Law and order, less silly laws, better policing of the 'necessary' laws.
9. Developing trade outside the EU.
10. Keeping the old enemy of unemployment at bay (one part that is going reasonably well at present).
11. Providing long term planning for sustainable power, transport, accommodation and infrastructure.
12. Simplifying legislation, so that people can understand issues that affect all, taxation, laws, benefits, pensions.

 

 

Edited April 9, 2018 by JohnfromUK

[Ollieollie]

JFUK, good list!!

[walshie]

3 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

Well, IF you look at a set of what should be goals for the country, there isn't really a party aligned to carry those through, so there is a gap.  Who to take the lead/other roles is MUCH more difficult.  For me (and I appreciate these things are personal) - Here are a dozen I see as some level goals;

1. Carrying through a proper Brexit as the electorate decided.
2. Keeping our defences strong and fit for purpose.
3. Managing our borders well.
4. Balancing income/spending and staring to gradually pay back our mountain of debt (which will become really crippling as interest rates rise).
5. Looking after the sick, elderly, and GENUINE  needy.  (i.e. a good NHS and targeted care/benefit system).
6. Encouraging people to take responsibility for themselves and their children, and not expect the 'nanny state' to do everything.
7. Driving forward efficiency to enable British industry to invest to become lean and internationally competitive.
8. Law and order, less silly laws, better policing of the 'necessary' laws.
9. Developing trade outside the EU.
10. Keeping the old enemy of unemployment at bay (one part that is going reasonably well at present).
11. Providing long term planning for sustainable power, transport, accommodation and infrastructure.
12. Simplifying legislation, so that people can understand issues that affect all, taxation, laws, benefits, pensions.

 

 

You've got my vote. 

[JohnfromUK]

Just now, walshie said:

You've got my vote. 

I would never enter politics - it would rapidly need to murder - which might even be mine!

[walshie]

2 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

I would never enter politics - it would rapidly need to murder - which might even be mine!

Only your views on Russian spies. Your other policies seem tip-top. 

[JohnfromUK]

Just now, walshie said:

Only your views on Russian spies. Your other policies seem tip-top. 

I check my door handle daily now!

[TIGHTCHOKE]

10 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

I check my door handle daily now!

What do you check it with?

[JohnfromUK]

Just now, TIGHTCHOKE said:

What do you check it with?

Trepidation

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Probably better off with gloves and a respirator!

[Vince Green]

Moderate labour MPs jumping before they are pushed out by momentum's hatchet men

Unlike Jeremy Corbyn, Simon Franks has actually done something and has a track record to show for it. Jeremy probably hates him with a vengance 

Edited April 9, 2018 by Vince Green

[old man]

34 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

I would never enter politics 

And therein lies the crux, John?

The only ones who we want in would never entertain it?

The only ones that run for it are the ones that should never be allowed to be in?

It's a fun diversion anyway and dreams are cheap?

The trouble is that we will probably have to accept some of the current dross, the art would be as always, guiding them to benefit all and putting guards on the trough?

Edited April 9, 2018 by old man

[JohnfromUK]

Just now, old man said:

And therein lies the crux, John?

The only ones who we want in would never entertain it?

The only ones that run for it are the ones that should never be allowed to be in?

It's a fun diversion anyway and dreams are cheap?

That is very true.  I would find it very frustrating, I wouldn't be good at 'towing the party line', and although not impatient or having a particularly 'short fuse', I would fined the machinations and complex webs of intrigue and deceit alien to me.

I am an engineer by trade and background and as I moved up the business ladder, I found the 'internal company' politics the worst thing about work.  If some in business spent as much time worrying about what their customers thought rather what their colleagues/managers thought, businesses would be MUCH more effective.

[matone]

4 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

Well, IF you look at a set of what should be goals for the country, there isn't really a party aligned to carry those through, so there is a gap.  Who to take the lead/other roles is MUCH more difficult.  For me (and I appreciate these things are personal) - Here are a dozen I see as some top level goals;

1. Carrying through a proper Brexit as the electorate decided.
2. Keeping our defences strong and fit for purpose.
3. Managing our borders well.
4. Balancing income/spending and starting to gradually pay back our mountain of debt (which will become really crippling as interest rates rise).
5. Looking after the sick, elderly, and GENUINE  needy.  (i.e. a good NHS and targeted care/benefit system).
6. Encouraging people to take responsibility for themselves and their children, and not expect the 'nanny state' to do everything.
7. Driving forward efficiency to enable British industry to invest to become lean and internationally competitive.
8. Law and order, less silly laws, better policing of the 'necessary' laws.
9. Developing trade outside the EU.
10. Keeping the old enemy of unemployment at bay (one part that is going reasonably well at present).
11. Providing long term planning for sustainable power, transport, accommodation and infrastructure.
12. Simplifying legislation, so that people can understand issues that affect all, taxation, laws, benefits, pensions.

 

 

You have my vote !

[Rewulf]

Sounds to me the left are trying to get back to the successful formula of 97.
You know the one, where they went so central they were virtually right wing, its a seductive way of gaining power , and then just doing whatever they please, until just before the next election, when its all sweetness and light again.
I just hope people dont fall for it.

[Vince Green]

10 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Sounds to me the left are trying to get back to the successful formula of 97.
You know the one, where they went so central they were virtually right wing, its a seductive way of gaining power , and then just doing whatever they please, until just before the next election, when its all sweetness and light again.
I just hope people dont fall for it.

If the Labour Party had to become right wing to get elected under Blair what does that say about traditional Labour Policies? New Labour was about telling people what they wanted to hear, even though it was just "spin" a polite word for lies. 

Come on Tony, you can tell us, who really killed David Kelly?

[JohnfromUK]

1 minute ago, Vince Green said:

If the Labour Party had to become right wing to get elected under Blair what does that say about traditional Labour Policies? New Labour was about telling people what they wanted to hear, even though it was just "spin" a polite word for lies.

I think parties are beginning (or at least should be) to realise (post Brexit) that if you promise something - and voters choose it, then you have to deliver on that (or at least do your best to).

To be fair to the Tories, Cameron offered a vote on Brexit, as he thought (rightly) it would get him back into power without the wretched Clegg & Co. 

He expected to get a remain win outcome by getting some decent sweeteners from Juncker and Co.  They let him down (as he should have known they would) - and remain lost.  He resigned (and rightly so). 

Mrs May has at least committed to following through on Brexit, and though I think we have been much to generous to the EU, we are at least on our way out.  I am not convinced any other (credible) party, by which I mean any grouping/coalition that might get elected (e.g. Labour/SNP, Labour/LibDem, Tory/LibDem) would even get us out of the EU - I.e. EVERYONE BUT the tories would have kept us in.

The ONLY anti Europe MPs are most Tories, some Labour, Democratic Ulster Unionists.  LibDems, SNP, Welsh Nats, most Labour were remainers.

[Gordon R]

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This will be Blair and the gang getting ready to abandon Corbyn's ship.

Zapp - an astute, if depressing observation, which could well be accurate.

[das]

10 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

Well, IF you look at a set of what should be goals for the country, there isn't really a party aligned to carry those through, so there is a gap.  Who to take the lead/other roles is MUCH more difficult.  For me (and I appreciate these things are personal) - Here are a dozen I see as some top level goals;

1. Carrying through a proper Brexit as the electorate decided.
2. Keeping our defences strong and fit for purpose.
3. Managing our borders well.
4. Balancing income/spending and starting to gradually pay back our mountain of debt (which will become really crippling as interest rates rise).
5. Looking after the sick, elderly, and GENUINE  needy.  (i.e. a good NHS and targeted care/benefit system).
6. Encouraging people to take responsibility for themselves and their children, and not expect the 'nanny state' to do everything.
7. Driving forward efficiency to enable British industry to invest to become lean and internationally competitive.
8. Law and order, less silly laws, better policing of the 'necessary' laws.
9. Developing trade outside the EU.
10. Keeping the old enemy of unemployment at bay (one part that is going reasonably well at present).
11. Providing long term planning for sustainable power, transport, accommodation and infrastructure.
12. Simplifying legislation, so that people can understand issues that affect all, taxation, laws, benefits, pensions.

 

 

!2 great and proper things that I would be very happy with but sadly I feel it totally idealistic

[JohnfromUK]

Blair was given a long (well over 15 minutes I would think) interview on Radio 4 this morning (08:15 - 08.33).  In a wide ranging discussion covering Northern Ireland, Middle East, and not much Brexit mentions, it ended up on the 'new political party'.  He was, as you would expect dodging the direct question as to how much he was involved .......... but from the squirming he was doing he very clearly is.  And he still LOVES the sound of his own voice.

Odd that a 'has been' like him gets the longest time slot on a prime radio 4 programme that I can remember in a long while.