TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 43 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: Why not hold one every year? With a 2 year negotiating period, it would guarantee many civil service jobs, many airline jobs flying negotiators to and from Brussels and give that politicians dream ........ perfect chaos. Me too. It was a democratic choice, the outcome went one way - so I will back the outcome as decided by the vote. But you two have more gumption than our politicians! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 (edited) David Cameron clearly and publically spelt out the changes he sought from the EU as our elected PM - but the EU turned him down flat on all proposals. So he went to our people for a referendum to establish, one way or the other, if UK adults supported leaving after the clear response he got. He got the biggest voter turnout in our history. The EU had a second chance to relax their lording over our small group of islands, they should not get a third chance. Edited September 24, 2018 by Dave-G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 2 hours ago, oowee said: 🤣 could you imagine the rows and pitiful commentary opinions on here from the gaggle of quitters majority One vote was one too many especially when it doesnt go MY way ,we don't need any more pretentious painfully accurate, commentary from little Englander's. normal people . There you go , fixed that little tirade for you 9 minutes ago, Dave-G said: David Cameron clearly and publically spelt out the changes he sought from the EU as our elected PM - but the EU turned him down flat on all proposals. So he went to our people for a referendum to establish, one way or the other, if UK adults supported leaving after the clear response he got. He got the biggest voter turnout in our history. The EU had a second chance to relax their lording over our small group of islands, they should not get a third chance. Exactly, some people just cant handle the simple truth of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Dave-G said: David Cameron clearly and publically spelt out the changes he sought from the EU as our elected PM - but the EU turned him down flat on all proposals. So he went to our people for a referendum to establish, one way or the other, if UK adults supported leaving after the clear response he got. He got the biggest voter turnout in our history. The EU had a second chance to relax their lording over our small group of islands, they should not get a third chance. David Cameron's actions had little to do with re-negotiating with the EU or giving the British people a choice on EU membership, it was a political gambit and electioneering pure and simple. After the 2014 European Elections when UKIP took 26.6% of the vote he had a problem. The Conservatives were losing support to UKIP at an alarming rate. What better way, than to offer a referendum in the manifesto for the 2015 General Election to nullify UKIP? After all the Scots had voted for the status quo in their referendum, so it wasn't seen as a great risk. Unfortunately for him and the political establishment the resulting referendum and Brexit vote didn't go as planned. The shocked faces when the referendum results came in told all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 (edited) https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43328398 The European Union said on Monday that Britain has two months to recover €2.7 billion ($3.2 billion) in lost customs duties or risk referral to the EU’s top court after London allegedly ignored a scam by Chinese importers. “The United Kingdom now has two months to act; otherwise the Commission may refer the case to the Court of Justice of the EU,” said a statement by the EU’s executive arm. Financial sanctions could follow if the court upholds the Commission’s view. The move is the second step in the EU’s legal procedure against the bloc’s states who do not respect its rules. Apparently we have to pay , or its the ECJ for us, then sanctions. Demands and threats, lovely people at Brussels 😁 https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/991933/EU-news-uk-tax-breaks-law-european-court-of-justice-european-union https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/961144/EU-news-European-Union-court-to-sue-UK-over-air-pollution-failure Edited September 24, 2018 by Rewulf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 3 hours ago, Rewulf said: There you go , fixed that little tirade for you 👍 That's what i like. Never loose a sense of humour in all this . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 1 hour ago, oowee said: 👍 That's what i like. Never loose a sense of humour in all this . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 Chuka Amunna has either been to the Diane Abbott school of economics, or has very little grasp of the means of 'average ' people these days Meanwhile the original Carney estimate of households being worse off to the tune of £900 a year seems to be bases on data they refuse to publish, also known in the trade as 'plucked out of the air' calculations . I would say you couldnt make it up, but you obviously can https://fullfact.org/economy/are-families-900-worse-brexit/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Chuka Amunna has either been to the Diane Abbott school of economics, or has very little grasp of the means of 'average ' people these days Chuka Umunna has absolutely no grasp of the truth. A lawyer by profession (and from a family of lawyers), privately educated, he has not lived an 'average' life, but one of privilege and so would not have much grasp of what 'average' people earn. (It was about £550 per week in 2017). He currently gets £1486 a week as an M.P., plus his additional income from speaking, broadcasting etc. Edited September 25, 2018 by JohnfromUK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 Just now, JohnfromUK said: Chuka Umunna has absolutely no grasp of the truth. A lawyer by profession (and from a family of lawyers), privately educated, he has not lived an 'average' life, but one of privilege and so would not have much grasp of what 'average' people earn. (It was about £500 per week in 2017). He currently gets £1486 a week as an M.P., plus his additional income from speaking, broadcasting etc. The issue here, is how a loose figure from Carneys fevered mind, based on biased projections, and information that cannot be verified outside of the BOE ,then gets regurgitated and multiplied x 52 by a supposedly intelligent man, who supposedly represents the common people. The problem is, some people might believe that load of old codswallop. Just like I still hear Carneys £4300 a year worse off figure bandied about. Its deliberate misinformation, and they should be held accountable for their dishonesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Its deliberate misinformation, and they should be held accountable for their dishonesty. Most politicians make up figures 'on the hoof' to support the point they (think they are) trying to make. Few people will check or challenge, those who do will usually not be 'supporters' anyway, so nothing to loose there. There is no formal accountability. Politicians (and their ilk) say what they think they can get away with. Those who are intelligent (and I agree that Chuka Umunna is) are usually fairly careful to use figures and facts that are slightly more difficult to check. In this case he seems to have slipped up. Diane Abbott's 'blunder' was obvious to anyone who can do a little simple mental arithmetic, (but then she wasn't feeing well that day). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 I don't agree Chuka Umunna is intelligent. Three options:- 1. He is not very bright. 2. Lying. 3. Misspeaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 There is a lot of moaning on here. Look at the positives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Gordon R said: I don't agree Chuka Umunna is intelligent. Before becoming and M.P., he was a successful corporate lawyer specialising in employment law. I suppose you could argue that to give that up (corporate lawyers are 'very, very well' paid) to become and M.P. (by comparison just 'well' paid) showed a lack of intelligence ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, oowee said: There is a lot of moaning on here. Look at the positives. If Im moaning, its about the amount of lies and 'projections' that are used by the remain side to support their argument. The argument to chuck democracy out the window and ignore, or reverse the decision to leave. Labour is sat there debating whether to chuck their manifesto pledges out the window, and are using people like Chukas 'facts' to drive this apparent hypocrisy. No doubt 1 brexit lie is worth 10 remain lies in the minds of most pro EU types. If they cant come up with sensible input into the issues around Brexit, then I think they should keep their traps shut. Most of them are just after soundbites anyway, and couldnt give a monkeys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Most of them are just after soundbites anyway, and couldnt give a monkeys. It is party conference season: They are all so full of their own self importance - and surrounded by the adoring party members that - they are pretty much disconnected from reality (well even more so than usual in the 'Palace of Westminster', where they are not subject to the same rules real people have to live with (Parliamentary Privilege), and a life of expenses paid subsidised bars and restaurants keeps them out of the real world (which in many cases is a taxpayer funded second home anyway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 I must admit that I find all of this talk of another referendum really annoying. If it happens then democracy is well and truly finished. I can’t believe that even those who voted to stay can even contemplate such a suggestion. The arrogance and pomposity truly astounds me and I find me standing there shaking my head in disbelief when I hear those advocating another vote. Staggering, truly staggering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 Quote Before becoming and M.P., he was a successful corporate lawyer specialising in employment law. I suppose you could argue that to give that up (corporate lawyers are 'very, very well' paid) to become and M.P. (by comparison just 'well' paid) showed a lack of intelligence ...... I know and have dealt with many solicitors and many barristers - some were very good, others were brilliant, but there were also some complete idiots, who had never heard of common-sense. Whilst he might well have been successful, Chuka, in my book, falls into the latter group. When he opened his mouth, did he know what was coming out of it? If he did - he is thick. If he didn't, he is stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 1 hour ago, oowee said: There is a lot of moaning on here. Look at the positives. Pot, kettle, black! springs to mind, theres a good reason for the term "remoaner". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, Gordon R said: I know and have dealt with many solicitors and many barristers - some were very good, others were brilliant, but there were also some complete idiots, who had never heard of common-sense. Whilst he might well have been successful, Chuka, in my book, falls into the latter group. When he opened his mouth, did he know what was coming out of it? If he did - he is thick. If he didn't, he is stupid. Perhaps he wasn't such a very good lawyer and went in to politics to enjoy the good lifestyle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 1 minute ago, 12gauge82 said: Pot, kettle, black! springs to mind, theres a good reason for the term "remoaner". Are you moaning or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 1) These sort of figures, plucked from thin air are meaningless sound bites. Our family is not worse off, 2) Why would a successful lawyer want to go into politics? 3) Petrol prices, for example, have gone up but that's not due to Brexit, house prices are likely to drop, but that's not due to Brexit. Chelsea drew 0-0 with West Ham, but that's not due to Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 48 minutes ago, oowee said: Are you moaning or what? No more than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 On 01/08/2018 at 11:57, Dave-G said: That is a very good point indeed given the EU leaders claim it cannot break its so called strick rules: That's exactly what they did to the detriment of the wealthier and better developed members. I 'get' that we ought to partner with the European continent to form a massive trading block with comparible populations and clout of USA, China, and India etc, but we don't need to subjugate ourselves, our courts nor open our borders to peoples of massively different cultures and values to acheive that. Globalisation is on the march - few could deny that. For me its partly the past deceptions with which we are now being openly bullied to change our cultures to suit other peoples. We have been mugged big time. +1........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Vince Green said: Chelsea drew 0-0 with West Ham, but that's not due to Brexit. Best news since Brexit for West Ham Supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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