Raja Clavata Posted July 30, 2019 Report Share Posted July 30, 2019 17 minutes ago, panoma1 said: Extremists? Pot, kettle and black.......comes to mind! Lol! I was being polite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted July 30, 2019 Report Share Posted July 30, 2019 17 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: Neither do less than half a dozen Remainiacs on PW (who still are implying the brexiters are "know nothings" without actually saying it) I, like many others I believe, are getting more than a little fed up with the biased media and game playing politicos of all parties trying to subvert democracy with weasel words for their own ends. I think we are all fed up with being played liked tabloid readers. Unfortunately that is what politics is about. Appeal to the masses. Throw some bread to the crowd and hear them cheer for the emperor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 30, 2019 Report Share Posted July 30, 2019 oowee - I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted July 30, 2019 Report Share Posted July 30, 2019 Some people seem to have an unhealthy obsession with the intelligence of people who hold opposing views to theirs. Not just on this thread but as amply illustrated by a cursory glance at their posting content throughout this forum dating back several years. It doesn’t take a masters degree in psychology to work out the demons at play here. Utterly pathetic. 8 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: No need for another vote, still clutching at straws I see! Give it six weeks, then we’ll see who’s clutching at straws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted July 30, 2019 Report Share Posted July 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: I assume you meant know nothings OK but I am not the only one to fall foul of predictive text and did not check. You have been guilty in the past Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted July 30, 2019 Report Share Posted July 30, 2019 Just now, Yellow Bear said: OK but I am not the only one to fall foul of predictive text and did not check. You have been guilty in the past Absolutely sir, mea culpa👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 30, 2019 Report Share Posted July 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Some people seem to have an unhealthy obsession with the intelligence of people who hold opposing views to theirs. Not just on this thread but as amply illustrated by a cursory glance at their posting content throughout this forum dating back several years. It doesn’t take a masters degree in psychology to work out the demons at play here. Utterly pathetic. Give it six weeks, then we’ll see who’s clutching at straws. Okay, six weeks it is then. The 3rd of September will see all of us who voted to leave greatly disapointed will it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted July 30, 2019 Report Share Posted July 30, 2019 I make 6 weeks September 10th!? I would not go as far as suggesting greatly disappointed since I’m old enough to remember Baghdad Bob and reckon some of your cohorts are modern day equivalents in the making 🤣 Seriously though assuming you were privately somewhat disappointed by mid September when would you actually admit to it, 1st November? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 4 hours ago, Gordon R said: ...Switzerland has no hard border.. Type in 'Swiss border' and do a Google image search..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 5 hours ago, Retsdon said: Type in 'Swiss border' and do a Google image search..... I think you're struggling with the concept of what a hard border is. Switzerland has free movement of people with the EU, and has for years. Heavy goods are another matter, but in that context, Dover to calais is a hard border then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 Brexit United : https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/nigel-farage-says-boris-johnsons-new-brexit-chief-dominic-cummings-cannot-be-trusted-and-is-not-a-true-believer-in-brexit/ar-AAF5zJi?ocid=spartanntp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 On the topic of if 'no deal' can be prevented …. it can in the following ways …. Parliament can approve a deal The EU could offer an extension which the government accepts Parliament passes a new law to change the date Parliament passes a new law to revoke article 50 A general election, triggered by a vote of no confidence, results in a Government which choses a different policy These are the risks that Boris faces …. and due to his very weak position in Parliament v the 'anti no-deal' mob, cannot be ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 22 minutes ago, Smokersmith said: it can in the following ways …. Parliament can approve a deal The EU could offer an extension which the government accepts Parliament passes a new law to change the date Parliament passes a new law to revoke article 50 A general election, triggered by a vote of no confidence, results in a Government which choses a different policy Parliament can approve a deal Agreed The EU could offer an extension which the government accepts Agreed Parliament passes a new law to change the date The EU would also have to agree that - some (France particularly) have said 'no more delays' Parliament passes a new law to revoke article 50 The EU would also have to agree to 'stopping' the process, but that would be likely to happen A general election, triggered by a vote of no confidence, results in a Government which choses a different policy Which the EU would have to agree - and they would have to agree to stop the present deadline set for 31st October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 42 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: Parliament can approve a deal Agreed There is no deal tabled at the moment, besides Mays failed WA, the EU has said this will not be re negotiated, therefore this scenario is unlikely. The EU could offer an extension which the government accepts AgreedThe UK must ASK for an extension, then supposedly the 27 vote on whether to grant it , if its for a good enough reason. Which they likely will whatever , as they are going to put a bill in for every month delayed, reportedly 1 bn a month. Parliament passes a new law to change the date The EU would also have to agree that - some (France particularly) have said 'no more delays'Same as an extension, needs a reason, and both UK and EU approval. Parliament passes a new law to revoke article 50 The EU would also have to agree to 'stopping' the process, but that would be likely to happenTime is not onside for this, despite its obvious unpopularity anyway, this scenario, which I might add is barely being talked about now, is unlikely. A general election, triggered by a vote of no confidence, results in a Government which choses a different policy Which the EU would have to agree - and they would have to agree to stop the present deadline set for 31st October.Again , time , and the prospect of the tories and labour losing seats to Brexit party and lib dems/greens, make this an unpopular course of action among sitting MPs. A snap election needs a months notice and lengthy prep time. My personal opinion is Boris doesnt need to do this, I think he will just run the clock down, and keep the pressure up on labour and remain elements. Just to reiterate. Parliament voted to trigger A50 overwhelmingly, with no WA agreed, we 'should' have left 2 years after with no deal. Just as they thought having a referendum originally would yield the 'correct' result, which again, they voted for, they probably thought they could either swing an ultra soft Brexit, or better , get the whole thing cancelled. None of this has come to pass. Various attempts to obstruct it, using virtually every trick in the book, have failed so far. The various 'peoples votes' funded by foreign businessmen , one of the favourite accusations against vote leave, have been shown to be simple attempts to stop Brexit, not democratic in any way shape or form, and fairly corrupt in implementation. The only options left open to those who would totally ignore the results of the Ref. are to TRY to destroy their parties and reputations, by undemocratic and unconstitutional means. I say TRY because I believe they will again fail. Boris just needs to sit back and observe, we would do well to do the same. When the dust settles, there will be a reckoning for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7303103/Boris-Johnson-hints-UK-remain-EU-single-market-customs-union-2021.html This little piece in the Daily Mail provokes a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth in the comments section underneath! Quite amusing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 14 minutes ago, Retsdon said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7303103/Boris-Johnson-hints-UK-remain-EU-single-market-customs-union-2021.html This little piece in the Daily Mail provokes a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth in the comments section underneath! Quite amusing... Not my choice of Brexit style , but I dont actually see a a problem with discussing compromises. Hes already stated that the backstop HAS to be removed before discussions are even possible, and the EU has turned him down flat. So ts a pointless argument anyway, most likely a bit of strategic posturing to make it seem like hes giving ground ? Doesnt detract from the overall position, he always said the preferred result would be a mutually beneficial deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 Boris refuses to compromise - Remainers moan. Boris hints at compromise - Remainers moan. No real surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 20 hours ago, Gordon R said: Just where was Google when I voted? Retsdon said no-one voted to crash out with no deal - I did. I resent being called an extremist Brexiteer, by someone sadly lacking in intelligence. I don't say much but count me in with the Leave lot. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 Despite the incessant doom and gloom from Remainers about Boris and the low pound – now it suits their agenda, at least – the UK’s aviation market is still set to soar to new heights this August. Departing seats from UK airports are set to rise to their highest level of 17.3 million in August this year, up from 17 million last year. The low pound is catching commentators at the gate, holidaymakers are just getting on board and taking off… Capacity is taking off at airports across the UK, with all but three airports soaring. The only airports braced for a fall were Stansted, Glasgow, and Belfast due to their heavy reliance on Remainiac-led Ryanair. If only Michael O’Leary spent less time moaning about Brexit and more time sorting out his business… Source: Guido Fawkes 8 hours ago, Gordon R said: Boris refuses to compromise - Remainers moan. Boris hints at compromise - Remainers moan. No real surprise. That,s why they are known as Remoaners! The Central Bank of Ireland has sounded off about potential ‘cliff-edge’ risks in the event of a no-deal, no-transition Brexit: “The main outstanding source of risk to financial stability in Ireland stems from a worse-than-expected macroeconomic shock. This could arise if the expected negative impact through trade channels is compounded by a sharp increase in uncertainty and a fall in confidence, with knock-on effects to Irish employment, incomes and investment. Ireland’s relatively acute exposure to Brexit may also negatively alter investor sentiment towards Irish assets, with adverse implications for financing conditions of an already relatively indebted private sector. Given the extent of direct and indirect exposures, this would result in unanticipated losses for the domestic financial system.” The Central Bank forecasts that in a No Deal scenario Irish economic output could be approximately 6% lower in 2020. In the understated language of central bankers they warn of “… severe financial market dislocation and have potential knock-on effects for financial stability in Ireland. Negative income shocks arising from a disorderly Brexit scenario would present challenges to the private sector in Ireland, and the domestic banking system from which they have borrowed .Despite recent delevering and balance sheet repair, the Irish non-financial sectors remain heavily indebted. Household debt as a percentage of disposable income ranks fifth highest within the EU and slightly above the OCED average,while a small pocket of SMEs still carry high debt levels. Irish retail banks remain the most important source of external financing for households and SMEs. The exposure of the Irish banking system to SMEs is significant vis-à-vis sectors that would be most affected by a disorderly Brexit, such as agriculture (Primary Industries), manufacturing, retail trade and tourism (Hotels & Restaurants). In addition, one quarter of Irish banks’ credit exposures are directly to borrowers in the UK, predominantly to the household and corporate sectors, (62% and 31% of UK exposures, respectively), creating a direct source of risk from a disorderly Brexit.” Yesterday’s third quarterly report report from the bank predicts there will be around 34,000 fewer jobs by the end of next year and more than 100,000 fewer jobs over the medium term compared to their forecast in the event of no deal. The Irish workforce is only two and a quarter million – one fifteenth the size of the UK. This would be like the UK losing 1.5 million jobs, almost 5% of the workforce… Source: Guido Fawkes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB1 Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 23 hours ago, Raja Clavata said: Half a dozen Brexit extremists on PW do not speak for the country at large😂 The 'Country at large' already spoke…….. just no one seems to want to listen🙄 Regardless of your position on Remain or Exit, we can't just sweep democracy under the rug😳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 12 minutes ago, KB1 said: The 'Country at large' already spoke…….. just no one seems to want to listen🙄 Regardless of your position on Remain or Exit, we can't just sweep democracy under the rug😳 This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 According to Guido Fawkes Gay Star News has shut its doors, making twenty people redundant and not paying them for a whole month of work. Aside from journalism, the company had also been running the official not-so-successful LGBT+ for a People’s Vote campaign. What are they blaming for their demise? “The uncertainty over Brexit” of course! “The biggest change was the level of confidence brands and businesses in the UK have, due to the uncertainty over Brexit. It won’t surprise anyone to hear that many media organisations are struggling with the same problem.” This claim doesn’t quite ring true when their rival Pink News has tripled its revenue over the last twelve months. Perhaps Gay Star News’ investors were some of the few people who actually believed their Second Referendum campaign’s scare stories talking down the UK post-Brexit. Or more likely, it was just shoddy business practice… A source familiar with the company told Guido: “they over-hired constantly and didn’t know what they were doing… how can Brexit be the fault when they made a loss before there was a referendum? It wasn’t Brexit, it was their business plan.” Another source in the industry told Guido that the business failed because “they ploughed hundreds of thousands of pounds into buying Facebook likes, and then Facebook changed the algorithm.” Not a good look to blame your own failings on Brexit, not that it stops many failing companies from trying… I have to admit, until I saw this item on Guido Fawkes, I had never heard of either publication.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted August 1, 2019 Report Share Posted August 1, 2019 At last the Government has got the cheque book out. Better late than never. £2bn should help with marketing the Bexit prep and create 500 border force jobs too. If they are quick off the mark they may be able to fill the jobs with some of the returning Europeans. More good news in that it looks like Gove will be buying up lots of lamb but has nowhere to store it? I am sure we all have room in our freezers for some, i certainly do. We can at last tell those NZ farmers where to stuff it and start eating our own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted August 1, 2019 Report Share Posted August 1, 2019 From the horses mouth as it were. The meat starts 5 minutes in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted August 1, 2019 Report Share Posted August 1, 2019 Talks a lot of sense.👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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