andrewluke Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, DoolinDalton said: As an aside (in a way) I've just accidently found this on Youtube. i don't know how to upload it but the title is ' Yes Minister explains the EEC (EU). Nuff said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 9 hours ago, Retsdon said: I'll look it out and try and read it. In the meantime I can understand why a generation of young men walked knowingly into machine gun fire in 1916. I’m not sure what it has to do with Brexit, but reasons are many and varied, with ultimately it coming down to not wanting to let down ones friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 12 minutes ago, Scully said: I’m not sure what it has to do with Brexit, Nothing at all - everything to do with far, far, too much homemade wine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Retsdon said: Nothing at all - everything to do with far, far, too much homemade wine. Is that legal in Saudi? Genuine question as I thought alcohol wasn't allowed. Or is that just in public? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 36 minutes ago, Scully said: Is that legal in Saudi? Genuine question as I thought alcohol wasn't allowed. Or is that just in public? Punishable by chopping off of the winky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 Are these remainers stupid ? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7560479/Rebel-MPs-plan-ambush-Boris-Johnson-force-second-Brexit-referendum.html?ico=pushly-notifcation-small Labour's Hilary Benn said he was looking at ways to get MPs to support a 'people's vote' when the Commons returns for a special Saturday sitting on October 19. Those behind the plan want a lengthy Brexit extension and a new referendum by the end of March next year – with a general election only following afterwards. So no GE , another 6 months delay , costing 6 + billion quid, another referendum , completely ignoring the first ? And allies of Jeremy Corbyn are putting intense pressure on the Labour leader to support the strategy as they fear that holding a general election first could result in a Tory victory and then a hard Brexit. So I suppose usurping the Ref result, and not even giving the public a vote via GE , will endear the people to voting labour in 6 months time Just by even discussing such a course, is losing the opposition support, they are living on another planet ! They want a REALLY hard Brexit ? Theyre going the right way about it. I think someone needs to explain to these out of touch MPs, that Brexiteers being thick is just a figure of speech, its not actually true. But by these sort of actions, its not only leavers they believe stupid, its everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 Rewulf for Brexit Secretary I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 It would appear everything I believe the EU to be ( namely undemocratic and corrupt ) can be equally applied to some of our home grown politicians. Who’d have thought!? 😃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, JDog said: Rewulf for Brexit Secretary I say. Thanks ! But hopefully we wont need one soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted October 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 17 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Are these remainers stupid ? Hilary Benn is not stupid - but he is very arrogant and devious - like his father (who pretended to be poor and preached socialism, but was in fact very wealthy and practised capitalism including aggressive tax avoidance). His plan is to keep delaying until they can get a majority for a remain policy. He has no interest in democracy only in getting his own way (also like his father) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 14 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: like his father (who pretended to be poor and preached socialism, but was in fact very wealthy and practised capitalism including aggressive tax avoidance). Sounds familiar, he obviously taught his apprentice well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: Hilary Benn is not stupid - but he is very arrogant and devious - like his father (who pretended to be poor and preached socialism, but was in fact very wealthy and practised capitalism including aggressive tax avoidance). His plan is to keep delaying until they can get a majority for a remain policy. He has no interest in democracy only in getting his own way (also like his father) Then he is not only arrogant , undemocratic and devious, he is a corrupt, lying toe rag. All the qualities necessary to be a labour politician. Soon to be an ex labour politician hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 11 hours ago, DoolinDalton said: As an aside (in a way) I've just accidently found this on Youtube. i don't know how to upload it but the title is ' Yes Minister explains the EEC (EU). Nuff said! Very apt. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 Even Tusk is now saying there are positive signals around the prospect of a deal, let's just hope everyone involved is acting with integrity here, for all our sakes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Even Tusk is now saying there are positive signals around the prospect of a deal, let's just hope everyone involved is acting with integrity here, for all our sakes... He may be positive, doesn't mean those in Parliament will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 Just now, Raja Clavata said: Even Tusk is now saying there are positive signals around the prospect of a deal, let's just hope everyone involved is acting with integrity here, for all our sakes... Smoke and mirrors. The EU realises it has been exposed as intransigent, now seeking to appear like its trying really hard to appease the UK. The real deal is next week , where the EU will wring its hands at the conference, whilst blaming 'nationalist' elements in the tory and Brexit party, for destroying any chance of a peaceful deal. The lie is exposed by questioning exactly HOW the EU has compromised, what has changed in their position ? This was always how it was going to be played. Boring in its predictability . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: He may be positive, doesn't mean those in Parliament will be. That is indeed another matter. 3 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Smoke and mirrors. The EU realises it has been exposed as intransigent, now seeking to appear like its trying really hard to appease the UK. The real deal is next week , where the EU will wring its hands at the conference, whilst blaming 'nationalist' elements in the tory and Brexit party, for destroying any chance of a peaceful deal. The lie is exposed by questioning exactly HOW the EU has compromised, what has changed in their position ? This was always how it was going to be played. Boring in its predictability . You might well be right, you might equally be well wrong - unless you have a time machine and already know what happens on 31st Oct 😛 And of course equally BoJo could be lying to everyone through his back teeth and playing an identical reverse game as you suggest the EU are guilty of Edited October 11, 2019 by Raja Clavata Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 Just now, Raja Clavata said: You might well be right, you might equally be well wrong - unless you have a time machine and already know what happens on 31st Oct 😛 I dont , but it would appear most remainers do , as they constantly predict doom when we leave 😛 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted October 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 11 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Even Tusk is now saying there are positive signals around the prospect of a deal, let's just hope everyone involved is acting with integrity here, for all our sakes... When the prize is £39 billion, you cannot expect integrity from a politician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 Tell me one thing the EU does , that couldnt be managed at national level ... Ill wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Tell me one thing the EU does , that couldnt be managed at national level ... Ill wait. Exactly. Like I've said; it is an exclusive club for many politicians, failed or otherwise. Nothing matters but the survival of that club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said: Hilary Benn is not stupid - but he is very arrogant and devious - like his father (who pretended to be poor and preached socialism, but was in fact very wealthy and practised capitalism including aggressive tax avoidance). His plan is to keep delaying until they can get a majority for a remain policy. He has no interest in democracy only in getting his own way (also like his father) I had dinner with his dad at Woburn. What a fascinating man. The places he had been and the life he had was simply awe inspiring. I was lucky enough to be given a copy of his book 'To be a Daniel'. Everything he did including the dinner I had with him was recorded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 19 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: We need to speed up unwanted migrant exit and STOP any coming that we do not need and that will not add to our wonderful country! WE needed to do this years and years ago, it was obvious what was happening then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 22 minutes ago, oowee said: I was lucky enough to be given a copy of his book 'To be a Daniel' I was lucky enough to see it at a car boot the other day , 10 p , I walked on by , leaving it for someone less lucky than myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted October 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, oowee said: What a fascinating man. He may well have been a fascinating man ........ but much of it was a carefully maintained illusion. He came from a very wealthy publishing family - with a successful family business and a large country estate (in Essex I believe) and a substantial town property in London's Holland Park. He was born Anthony Wedgewood Benn - and became The Honourable Anthony Wedgewood Benn when his father accepted a peerage which he shortened to Tony Benn ..... presumably to look less privileged. He should have become Viscount Stansgate on the death of his father - but he went through a procedure to renouce the title so that he could become an MP He married an American heiress Caroline DeCamp He used aggressive tax avoidance measures for his own family to mitigate against inheritance tax (whilst campaigning for the prevention of inherited wealth) Like his followers, Corbyn and McDonnell, he supported terrorists including the IRA and like Corbyn - was strongly anti the EU (right from the start) and was a strong supporter of industrial strike action to bring down governments with which he did not agree. In summary, a very typical 'Champagne socialist'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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