panoma1 Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, oowee said: The EU have offered other deals. Surely you mean it's the deal negotiated by Boris? We could leave and stay in the customs union. The only other “deal” I’m aware of is Mays “deal”, which was rightly rejected by Parliament! So that is now history......the current “deal” the only “deal” on offer and is closest the government could negotiate (with an unwilling EU) to deliver the reasons people voted Brexit.....my opinion is it should be rejected, but with Parliament refusing to countenance a no deal Brexit...it’s probably the only game in town, if the democratic will of the people is to be honoured! But remainers (who have tied the governments hands) want to use their anti democratic treachery as an excuse to overturn Brexit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 If Brexit is so bad why didn't JC have a general election when offered is it because they will never win it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, henry d said: No you are, newbie/rewulf were using it to tarnish reputations and promote their ideas, I showed that neither we nor the other countries listed were innocent and that their ideas/arguments were ridiculous as all they were doing was mud slinging. No need to tarnish his reputation, he done a better job of that, than I or Rewulf ever could 2 hours ago, Raja Clavata said: In other news we hear Brexiteers bemoaning a second vote which splits the leave vote No, just that a second vote should not happen and would be anti-democratic, no matter what way it is spun. Unless of course remain is not on the ballot and a second vote is for how we leave!!! Edited October 22, 2019 by Newbie to this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, B725 said: If Brexit is so bad why didn't JC have a general election when offered is it because they will never win it. Better to make Boris stumble on. Its a poison chalice for anyone. Tories brewed it let them drink it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 But he has been bumping his gums for two years about wanting one but when given the chance he didn't have the nuts to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, oowee said: Better to make Boris stumble on. Its a poison chalice for anyone. Tories brewed it let them drink it. Nope the EU and the remainers brewed the poison in the chalice!........The Tories have tried to deliver on the referendum result! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, henry d said: No you are, newbie/rewulf were using it to tarnish reputations and promote their ideas, I showed that neither we nor the other countries listed were innocent and that their ideas/arguments were ridiculous as all they were doing was mud slinging. 😂They’re politicians for crying out loud; their reputations are already tarnished! The point you are missing is that we can at least vote out of office, ( or possibly even prosecute 🤣 ) our home grown ones. You try and vote out an EU politician....any EU politician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said: You might be right but there is no democratic mandate for no deal, so if you want out with no deal and really believe in democracy then back to the people must we go! ~20% of the public are in favour of no deal according to the polls (which appear to be in favour with Brexiteers today) If you’re serious about believing in democracy then I’m not sure how that fits with the possibility of voting Lib Dem, if I understood you right. They have stated their intent to simply ignore the referendum result and scrap Brexit. Do you find that acceptable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Scully said: If you’re serious about believing in democracy then I’m not sure how that fits with the possibility of voting Lib Dem, if I understood you right. They have stated their intent to simply ignore the referendum result and scrap Brexit. Do you find that acceptable? Only if they did it with a mandate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, oowee said: Only if they did it with a mandate. Like the mandate given to Cameron regarding a referendum you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, henry d said: and that their ideas/arguments were ridiculous as all they were doing was mud slinging Let he who is without sin, fling the first mud. 🤗 1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said: I wish I could draw pictures for you sometimes I wish you would just read back sometimes 😂 We were not discussing the libtards, you said you were going to vote for them, I just said they were an irrelevance and you'd be better voting Green, then YOU bought the BP into it! 1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said: Oh dear is my polite version of pffft. Pffft is impolite?? 1 hour ago, oowee said: When in 2016 did we vote to treat some of our citizens different from the rest? So you prefer no deal then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 Very apt!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 Anyone know what’s going on? I know it’s on the beeb but I had to turn off the news at 6 after catching a glimpse of Swinson, followed by Kuenssberg. I darent switch it back on lest either reappears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Scully said: Anyone know what’s going on? I know it’s on the beeb but I had to turn off the news at 6 after catching a glimpse of Swinson, followed by Kuenssberg. I darent switch it back on lest either reappears. Government defeated again, Boris talking about shelving the deal. Soubry= ' What good will an election do?' J. Mann= 'It'll get rid of YOU!' Awesome 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 13 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Government defeated again, Boris talking about shelving the deal. Soubry= ' What good will an election do?' J. Mann= 'It'll get rid of YOU!' Awesome 🤣 Well there’s a surprise! Was sure we were into a winner there! 😂 Like the Soubry comment...very much. Think I must have put my cross in that bottom box too! 🙂 Cheers. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 25 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Soubry= ' What good will an election do?' J. Mann= 'It'll get rid of YOU!' Brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, Scully said: Well there’s a surprise! Was sure we were into a winner there Sorry, I got some old news there, the WA has cleared on the 2nd reading https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-50145043/boris-johnson-s-brexit-deal-clears-first-hurdle-in-parliament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Scully said: If you’re serious about believing in democracy then I’m not sure how that fits with the possibility of voting Lib Dem, if I understood you right. They have stated their intent to simply ignore the referendum result and scrap Brexit. Do you find that acceptable? I believe in democracy, in the same way I believe in religion, it definitely exists. I am ok with Brexit but not Brexit at any cost. Regarding the Lib Dem’s, I believe that discussion was in the context of a GE. To avoid doubt I can confirm I would not vote Lib Dem in a referendum 🤣 And to answer your question directly, I concur with Grant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 36 minutes ago, Scully said: Anyone know what’s going on? I know it’s on the beeb but I had to turn off the news at 6 after catching a glimpse of Swinson, followed by Kuenssberg. I darent switch it back on lest either reappears. GE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 43 minutes ago, Rewulf said: I wish you would just read back sometimes 😂 I see the echo chamber has some distortion this evening😜 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Raja Clavata said: I see the echo chamber has some distortion this evening😜 Ring the bell and chant... ' It is really not undemocratic to ignore the referendum result, because the people didn't know what they were voting for...' And repeat, until all that Brexit nastiness goes away 😹 8 minutes ago, henry d said: GE? That's coming, whether we leave or not, but... I think boris has played a clever move... Hes now got an indication that he has a majority for the deal. That now tells the EU what they needed to know...so they can now confidentially turn down the extension...which means boris will then have parliament over a barrel... The deal or a crash out. If this has been the plan all along...hes played a blinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, panoma1 said: The only other “deal” I’m aware of is Mays “deal”, which was rightly rejected by Parliament! So that is now history......the current “deal” the only “deal” on offer and is closest the government could negotiate (with an unwilling EU) to deliver the reasons people voted Brexit.....my opinion is it should be rejected, but with Parliament refusing to countenance a no deal Brexit...it’s probably the only game in town, if the democratic will of the people is to be honoured! But remainers (who have tied the governments hands) want to use their anti democratic treachery as an excuse to overturn Brexit! No, the remainers are exploiting the omni-shambles that is Brexit in exactly the same way Brexiteers would if the shoe was on the other foot. 4 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Ring the bell and chant... ' It is really not undemocratic to ignore the referendum result, because the people didn't know what they were voting for...' And repeat, until all that Brexit nastiness goes away 😹 Ding dong Brexit’ nearly gone😜 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) Ann Widdecombe for the new speakers job: Edited October 22, 2019 by Dave-G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 26 minutes ago, henry d said: GE? I’d settle for that. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: No, the remainers are exploiting the omni-shambles that is Brexit in exactly the same way Brexiteers would if the shoe was on the other foot. Ding dong Brexit’ nearly gone😜 You keep believing that, even the most deluded remainers are realising now that it's going to happen, maybe not Halloween, but it's coming, along with some labour and indy MPs P45s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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