grrclark Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, discobob said: A prime example was Thornberry - did anybody see her on GMB today - reiterating the claptrap that Labour would negotiate a good deal and would then campaign against it!! I bet if labour were turkeys they would vote for Christmas Isn’t that the most remarkably stupid campaign strategy ever? It’s so they can pretend to their traditional voters that want to leave that they are giving them a meaningful choice and hoping they can hoodwink them. They will negotiate a choice so good they will recommend that the voters turn it down. What really does surprise me is that Corbyn is so actively promoting this rubbish, he is a self avowed hater of the EU and yet he is ardently campaigning on it’s behalf. You couldn’t make it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 1 minute ago, grrclark said: What really does surprise me is that Corbyn is so actively promoting this rubbish, he is a self avowed hater of the EU and yet he is ardently campaigning on it’s behalf. He is doing what his puppet masters tell him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Raja Clavata said: If only the world was as simple as you would appear to want it to be. It is simple! What's difficult to understand? Out means out and in means in!.....Only anti democratic remainer politicians and those that support their treachery try to change out into in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Retsdon said: A credible scenario imho is that now that their votes aren't needed to keep the Tories in power Boris jettisons the DUP and revisits a wet border in the Irish Sea leaving NI with a foot in both camps. This of course was the solution initially mooted by the EU and it has merit. I dont think you 'get' it. The Irish border backstop was the kicker, put in to make sure the 'May plan' would never be accepted. The EU dont want any deal to work, if they did , they would remove the backstop and other undesirable elements, and work them out during the transition period. They are rigid about them though, as acceptance of the WA , would mean we actually LEFT. Exactly what they dont want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Retsdon said: A credible scenario imho is that now that their votes aren't needed to keep the Tories in power Boris jettisons the DUP and revisits a wet border in the Irish Sea leaving NI with a foot in both camps. This of course was the solution initially mooted by the EU and it has merit. 1) It would be an economic boon for NI 2) It does away with the hated backstop (originally a British suggestion to appease the DUP btw) The problem at the moment is that something has to move somewhere and a move that would solve the Irish border question would take the pressure off. The Withdrawal Agreement, which is just a framework really for how to proceed, could then be signed, Britain could leave and everything could start moving forward. In practical terms leaving without a deal solves nothing, because the very next day we're going to have to be back trying to sort out what kind of relationship we want with the EU only this time without a framework to base talks on and a ticking economic pistol to our collective heads.Not to mention a lot of squandered goodwill on both sides. But the biggest issue is that even now three years after the vote there has never been a proper discussion much less consensus about what our future relationship with the EU should look like. Because simple geography dictates that we're going to have to have one, and a close one at that. And that's my main beef with politics and media on both sides. Everyone is obsessed with day to day political tactics and nobody is exploring or debating any kind of wider strategic goals at all. It's all cart and no horse. Sums things up pretty well for me too. A wet border as you describe it gives NI the best of both worlds in many ways, albeit there is a lot of symbolism and sentiment associated with that that may be unfavourable. I think the DUP take on a different regulatory regime is likely to lead to the unification of the island of Ireland is a bit rich given that there is much legislative difference between NI and GB already. Irish politics is a special case though and sentiment is deep rooted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 Your wages Mr Bercow, and our gratitude for your efforts.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 Verhofstadt really is a tool, but I appreciate his wit with that post, the winky emoji says it all. Same applies to Bercow too, although in the last while he has managed to elevate his smugness to previously unknown heights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, grrclark said: Verhofstadt really is a tool, but I appreciate his wit with that post, the winky emoji says it all. Same applies to Bercow too, although in the last while he has managed to elevate his smugness to previously unknown heights. I read winky as wrinkly 😂😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mice! said: I read winky as wrinkly 😂😂 😂 he is definitely a winker!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, grrclark said: 😂 he is definitely a winker!! You are definitely having vowel trouble today, I would take something for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, panoma1 said: We didn't leave shortly after the referendum because the government claimed knew it was better to give it time and leave with a deal... Sorted that for you, you are welcome! Edited September 10, 2019 by henry d typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 42 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: You are definitely having vowel trouble today, I would take something for it It’s a consonant battle that I have 😬🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 If you haven't seen this already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 15 minutes ago, henry d said: Sorted that for you, you are welcome! Nah!.........What can you not understand by the phrase.... "No deal is better than a bad deal"? Whether the government knew or claimed it was better to give it time, in order to try to negotiate a good deal, is irrelevant!...........we did give it time, and surprise, surprise the EU wouldn't negotiate, so we didn't get, and never were gonna get, a good deal!..........So unless Boris can get "good" deal, no deal is the only game in town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 How many on here tell the likes of sky by btittish gas O2 Vodafone that you're cancelling because there is a better deal elsewhere... Would all the remain voters just stay with one because you'd rather have a deal.... Its a joke of an argument to say we MUST have a deal... Its playing into the other sides hands. It's not that hard to understand, yet Thornbury would sell us out as would corbyn and lib dems.. They say we they have been silenced, three years of utter garbage from their mouths. Glad they are prorogued... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, panoma1 said: What can you not understand by the phrase.... "No deal is better than a bad deal"? Well, it certainly sounds very plausible but the fact is that there is no such outcome as no deal. Unless we want to be like North Korea, sooner or later (and almost certainly sooner) we will have to establish a proper, mutually-agreed working economic arrangement with the other countries of the EU and EEA. In other words - cut some kind of a deal with the EU. The only thing 'no deal' will add to the mix will be a lot of bad-will and unnecessary economic and political pressure. And one more point, the reason that we haven't left yet isn't because the process has been 'sabotaged', it's because the UK doesn't have any concrete economic or political destination end goal defined and so no proper plan how to get there. You can't undertake a journey if you don't know where it is you want to go! Just saying 'away from here' is useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 31 minutes ago, Rewulf said: If you haven't seen this already. The frightening seriously scary thing is, people out there actually voted for these pathetic idiots. I was disgusted with the behaviour, gutter politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 I see Mogg tried to trip him up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 Irish cider and beer maker C&C Group, whose brands include the Magners and Bulmers ciders, as well as Tennants lager, said it will seek admission to London’s FTSE and discontinue its Irish stock market listing, simultaneously switching its financial reporting from euros to sterling from October 7, the company announced this morning. The company will cancel its listing in Dublin, despite Brexit… Source: Guido Fawkes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 Just now, pinfireman said: Irish cider and beer maker C&C Group, whose brands include the Magners and Bulmers ciders, as well as Tennants lager, said it will seek admission to London’s FTSE and discontinue its Irish stock market listing, simultaneously switching its financial reporting from euros to sterling from October 7, the company announced this morning. The company will cancel its listing in Dublin, despite Brexit… Source: Guido Fawkes The UK market for those drinks is way bigger than Ireland, it’s a sensible move. Encouraging too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 2 hours ago, grrclark said: Isn’t that the most remarkably stupid campaign strategy ever? It’s so they can pretend to their traditional voters that want to leave that they are giving them a meaningful choice and hoping they can hoodwink them. They will negotiate a choice so good they will recommend that the voters turn it down. What really does surprise me is that Corbyn is so actively promoting this rubbish, he is a self avowed hater of the EU and yet he is ardently campaigning on it’s behalf. You couldn’t make it up. True! She has still not been forgotten by "White van man"..... The SNP love going on about how more Remain votes than Leave votes came from Scotland in the United Kingdom’s EU referendum. They don’t like mentioning that more than a million Scots voted to leave, or the fact that if you disregard the Leave votes from Scotland and Northern Ireland, Remain would have won. Guido has compiled some data that might offer the Scot Nats a reason to think again about ignoring the sizeable contingent of Scottish Brexiteers… In half of the SNPs 35 seats, the Leave percentage outweighed the SNP vote share in the 2017 election. The SNP MPs who have cause to be worried are: Kirsty Blackman Aberdeen North 41.3 SNP 43.09 Leave Neil Gray Airdrie and Shotts 37.6 SNP 39.84 Leave Brendan O’Hara Argyll and Bute 36 SNP 39.43 Leave Phillipa Whitford Central Ayrshire 37.2 SNP 41.62 Leave Douglas Chapman Dunfermline and West Fife 35.5 SNP 39.39 Leave John McNally Falkirk 38.9 SNP 43.2 Leave David Linden Glasgow East 38.8 SNP 43.84 Leave Chris Stephens Glasgow South West 40.7 SNP 40.86 Leave Peter Grant Glenrothes 42.8 SNP 47.61 Leave Drew Hendry Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch and Strathspey 39.9 SNP 40.13 Leave Angela Crawley Lanark and Hamilton East 32.6 SNP 35.96 Leave Martyn Day Linlithgow and East Falkirk 36.3 SNP 42.02 Leave Hannah Bardell Livingston 40.1 SNP 43.26 Leave Angus MacNeil Na h-Eileanan an Iar 40.6 SNP 43.9 Leave Patricia Gibson North Ayrshire and Arran 38.9 SNP 42.4 Leave Stephen Gethins North East Fife 32.9 SNP 41.4 Leave (Fife only stats available) Ian Blackford Ross, Skye & Lochaber 40.3 SNP 43.49 Leave The Tories becoming the Leave Party might not be such a bad move in Scotland after all… The Labour Party has shifted position on an election so much that their website currently hosts a page published less than a week ago that says Labour will back an election as soon as their Surrender Bill passed. The bill passed. Not a single Labour MP voted for an election last night… Hypocrites! Source: Guido Fawkes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 Just now, pinfireman said: True! She has still not been forgotten by "White van man"..... Was that Thornberry? I had a picture of someone else in my head for that. Whilst i’m not a Labour voter I find it disappointing how they have abandoned their traditional support base and sneer at them from lofty perches. They are chasing the young, woke and ever so slightly entitled idealists with their meretricious adulteration of Trotskyist/Marxist socialism and wholly missing the point of what the blue collar, working class individual wants, which is a simply a fair deal that rewards endeavour, a fair days work and to be heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 The EU has announced the planned structure of Ursula von der Leyen’s forthcoming Commission, with a new college of eight ‘vice-presidents’. A whole swathe of new bureaucrats to be thoroughly bored by… One role attracting attention, however, is that given to Greece’s Margaritis Schinas who will be taking up the role of ‘Protecting our European Way of Life’, which – when clarified – will cover migration and security. Guido’s sure if Donald Trump had created a ‘protecting our way of life’ job to deal with immigration, pro-EU lefties would be losing their heads… Source: Guido Fawkes More noses in the EU trough! Who pays their inflated salaries? YOU DO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 12 minutes ago, Retsdon said: Well, it certainly sounds very plausible but the fact is that there is no such outcome as no deal. Unless we want to be like North Korea, sooner or later (and almost certainly sooner) we will have to establish a proper, mutually-agreed working economic arrangement with the other countries of the EU and EEA. In other words - cut some kind of a deal with the EU. The only thing 'no deal' will add to the mix will be a lot of bad-will and unnecessary economic and political pressure. And one more point, the reason that we haven't left yet isn't because the process has been 'sabotaged', it's because the UK doesn't have any concrete economic or political destination end goal defined and so no proper plan how to get there. You can't undertake a journey if you don't know where it is you want to go! Just saying 'away from here' is useless. Whether we leave with a deal or no deal, real negotiations will start after we have left.....the WA on offer is I suspect, what the EU have conspired with "others" to tie the UK into the EU with a BRINO........it is not a "deal" if it were accepted it would be capitulation! The EU have never negotiated, May agreed to a deal that was totally to the EU's advantage, right from the off the Chequers deal was a non runner with leavers......for the above reasons. The truth as I see it is, I doubt the EU will give us an acceptable deal, because they don't want us to leave, they want our money, so we'll get nothing out of them....this being the case what do we do? If the traitorous, remainer Parliament has its way, and I believe it will never accept any "deal" so we'll never leave, if the democratic will of the people is to be honoured, we will leave without a deal! Once we are out, we can plough our own furrow, as a sovereign nation, trading with the rest of the world........any deals the UK does with the EU can be done post Brexit and should only be ratified if mutually beneficial....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 New jobs figures released today by the ONS show average pay leaping to a growth rate of 4% in the last year, the fastest increase in over a decade, and twice the rate of inflation. Unemployment continues to tumble, seeing its lowest levels in 45 years, and the last year saw over 300,000 more full time jobs than a year ago. All despite Brexit… Source: Guido Fawkes Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window) Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window) Click to share on WhatsApp (Opens in new window) Click to email this to a friend (Opens in new window) Just now, panoma1 said: Whether we leave with a deal or no deal, real negotiations will start after we have left.....the WA on offer is I suspect, what the EU have conspired with "others" to tie the UK into the EU with a BRINO........it is not a "deal" if it were accepted it would be capitulation! The EU have never negotiated, May agreed to a deal that was totally to the EU's advantage, right from the off the Chequers deal was a non runner with leavers......for the above reasons. The truth as I see it is, I doubt the EU will give us an acceptable deal, because they don't want us to leave, they want our money, so we'll get nothing out of them....this being the case what do we do? If the traitorous, remainer Parliament has its way, and I believe it will never accept any "deal" so we'll never leave, if the democratic will of the people is to be honoured, we will leave without a deal! Once we are out, we can plough our own furrow, as a sovereign nation, trading with the rest of the world........any deals the UK does with the EU can be done post Brexit and should only be ratified if mutually beneficial....... CORRECT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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