walshie Posted April 27, 2020 Report Share Posted April 27, 2020 I need to put an electric fence up, about 50-60 yards long to keep the dog in and the badgers out. I can't put up a normal fence as it would block our view of a nice little stream. Should I buy one of the kits I've seen advertised or buy the component parts? It has to be able to run off a car battery as it's nowhere near a power supply. Any practical advice or things to watch out for much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billytheghillie Posted April 27, 2020 Report Share Posted April 27, 2020 what about that white polytape, its waterproof and you can get it from screwfix etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 27, 2020 Report Share Posted April 27, 2020 hello, i can only say put 2 wires close at the bottom as on my friends farm they get under 1 strand, we use a 5 strand system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted April 27, 2020 Report Share Posted April 27, 2020 And strim like crazy, they will find anyway of shorting it out, wet grass, saplings ect ect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted April 27, 2020 Report Share Posted April 27, 2020 If you can I would put some high tensile fencing wire as your bottom strand. I have had badgers bite normal electric fence wire clean through, I assume in anger after getting a smack. They are very persistent and will dig under given the chance. Keep the fence clear of growth as said above, even glypho a strip where the fence is going... only needs to be a foot wide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted April 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2020 Good advice so far. Thanks. Does it matter how many strands you use? Is there a certain voltage you need ideally? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 27, 2020 Report Share Posted April 27, 2020 hello, they just use a 12 leisure battery, goes on for a long time, you can get solar power chargers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted April 27, 2020 Report Share Posted April 27, 2020 24 minutes ago, walshie said: Good advice so far. Thanks. Does it matter how many strands you use? Is there a certain voltage you need ideally? 240v ideally with a iron nail in the fuse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted April 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, they just use a 12 leisure battery, goes on for a long time, you can get solar power chargers Cheers. I meant output. I've seen 8000 volts up to 11000 odd. Does it make a difference? They all sound painful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted April 27, 2020 Report Share Posted April 27, 2020 A basic fencing unit from the local, agricultural dealer will be fine coupled with a leisure battery. You will have a compromise between the height of the bottom strand and the need to strim to stop short outs or spray a strip to run the fence along. Good quality fencing wire with some springs at either end or corners to keep it taught if anything comes loose. If you put good solid posts at each end it will help to strain it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted April 27, 2020 Report Share Posted April 27, 2020 I would be tempted to use some flat electric tape, once they get a belt or 2 just the visual aspect will might keep them away. Pretty useful if the fence unit failed or the battery runs flat without your knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted April 27, 2020 Report Share Posted April 27, 2020 Arnt badgers cute and cuddly like on Christmas cards 😉😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 27, 2020 Report Share Posted April 27, 2020 2 hours ago, walshie said: Cheers. I meant output. I've seen 8000 volts up to 11000 odd. Does it make a difference? They all sound painful. hello, not sure on that many volts, i just think its 12 volt like from the battery, i know it gives a good kick as i have found out my self night shooting, is there a local agriculture supplies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted April 27, 2020 Report Share Posted April 27, 2020 (edited) 12v is the input (some are 230v transformers) they then ramp it up and pulse at 8kV+ but very very low current. I’ve used them and had a belt off them for fencing horses many times..... work out the distance you need to fence, the number of strands and then you know the wire length. M of fence x no of strands. https://www.gallagher.eu/en_gb/compose Edited April 27, 2020 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennett Posted April 28, 2020 Report Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) Kits from ebay will be fine, even the engergisers that run off 4x D cell batteries will stop a grown man in his tracks! As others have said anything around 8kv will more than plenty, my Pheasant pens run at around 8kv and kneeling on the bottom strand will make you cry. Just keep any and all undergrowth off it as even a blade of grass or two will drop it to near 0. Edited April 28, 2020 by kennett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted April 28, 2020 Report Share Posted April 28, 2020 One of the farms I go rabbiting on use them to to make cattle stay on one part of the field I get to find them in the dark by getting a bloody shock I remember where they are go back couple nights later he as moved the I look for a bit can’t find them just walking round then I find one right across my thigh. I have even took took the live wire of the battery go back later to put it back and had another shock I hate them in the dark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 28, 2020 Report Share Posted April 28, 2020 8 hours ago, HDAV said: 12v is the input (some are 230v transformers) they then ramp it up and pulse at 8kV+ but very very low current. I’ve used them and had a belt off them for fencing horses many times..... work out the distance you need to fence, the number of strands and then you know the wire length. M of fence x no of strands. https://www.gallagher.eu/en_gb/compose hello, reference my post your right, there is a box by the battery so i presume a transformer, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted April 28, 2020 Report Share Posted April 28, 2020 Yes that will be the fencing transformer/controller some are set output pretty basic, others have quite sophisticated control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonm Posted April 28, 2020 Report Share Posted April 28, 2020 1 hour ago, kennett said: Kits from ebay will be fine, even the engergisers that run off 4x D cell batteries will stop a grown man in his tracks! As others have said anything around 8kv will more than plenty, my Pheasant pens run at around 8kv and kneeling on the bottom strand will make you cry. Just keep any and all undergrowth off it as even a blade of grass or two will drop it to near 0. Tell me about it. I went to do some jobs where my wife used to ride, and I touched the fence - I thought I’d been punched in the stomach and I felt really sick it was awful 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted April 28, 2020 Report Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) A good earth is one of the most important things. Don't skimp on it. Use at least 3 copper rods and wide gauge copper wire to connect them to the fencer unit. The whole unit is only as effective as the earth it's connected to. Edited April 28, 2020 by Retsdon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted April 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2020 Great tips so far. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted May 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 If i had say a 5 strand fence, is it best to run from one end to the other and loop it back and forth, or to run 5 separate runs of wire and link them together somewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, walshie said: If i had say a 5 strand fence, is it best to run from one end to the other and loop it back and forth, or to run 5 separate runs of wire and link them together somewhere? You'll need to run them separately to tension the fence. Despite that its electrified your fence wire will still need to be under tension. So you're going to need strainer posts and tensioners. To electrify the fence, if you're using normal single strand fence wire use joint clamps and run a separate connecting wire between the strands you want to electrify. Incidentally, you actually don't want all the wires electrified. If you want a cracker of a fence, only electrify the bottom, middle, and top wires. The two in-between ones you connect separately and run a wire from them back onto to the main charger earth wire. That way when an animal touches both wires it becomes the direct link between the fencer and your 3 copper pole earth. It's far more effective than just having the animal be the earth themselves. But perhaps if it's to keep your own dogs in, you might not want to do that. It gives them a hell of a belt! Edit: But perhaps that's overkill. And it's still going to look like a fence. I don't know how you're going to keep your dogs in with less though. They'll quickly learn to jump anything that's not high enough. Wait - how about this? https://www.electric-fence.co.uk/electric-fence/electric-fence-netting.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjwka_1BRCPARIsAMlUmEqvXvQA01k01geqL4OpCFvGLcgYso6_aF0MA4P0ylE-r08Krd6e4Q8aAlp9EALw_wcB Edited May 1, 2020 by Retsdon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essex Keeper Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 Just remember if the dog runs through it chasing a rabbit it won’t come back through it 👍👍👍😖 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted May 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2020 On 01/05/2020 at 21:45, Retsdon said: You'll need to run them separately to tension the fence. Despite that its electrified your fence wire will still need to be under tension. So you're going to need strainer posts and tensioners. To electrify the fence, if you're using normal single strand fence wire use joint clamps and run a separate connecting wire between the strands you want to electrify. Incidentally, you actually don't want all the wires electrified. If you want a cracker of a fence, only electrify the bottom, middle, and top wires. The two in-between ones you connect separately and run a wire from them back onto to the main charger earth wire. That way when an animal touches both wires it becomes the direct link between the fencer and your 3 copper pole earth. It's far more effective than just having the animal be the earth themselves. But perhaps if it's to keep your own dogs in, you might not want to do that. It gives them a hell of a belt! Edit: But perhaps that's overkill. And it's still going to look like a fence. I don't know how you're going to keep your dogs in with less though. They'll quickly learn to jump anything that's not high enough. Wait - how about this? https://www.electric-fence.co.uk/electric-fence/electric-fence-netting.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjwka_1BRCPARIsAMlUmEqvXvQA01k01geqL4OpCFvGLcgYso6_aF0MA4P0ylE-r08Krd6e4Q8aAlp9EALw_wcB 👍 On 01/05/2020 at 22:18, Essex Keeper said: Just remember if the dog runs through it chasing a rabbit it won’t come back through it 👍👍👍😖 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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