Call me sceptical but !!!

[Old farrier]

20 minutes ago, WalkedUp said:

1 minute ago, Velocette said:

Try not to provoke him,,,,,see him as a dustbin,  Something we have to put up with, , not very attractive to look at, which for part of the time is echoingly empty and the rest of time is full of ,,,,,,,,it.

Good post 👍😊

[Mice!]

46 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

But you don’t even vote!! Would you shoot people for not voting?

earlier you were the biggest exponent of getting out shooting pigeon would you shoot the people doing it now? (On sight) no chance to offer good reasons 

now you’re Saying the government got it wrong but you can’t be bothered to vote for change 

seems to me the whole world is out of step According to you 
 

I welcome your input to rectify the situation 

I'm glad you said that.

People can't cope with the lockdown we have, if we had locked down in Feb it wouldn't have mattered too much, it was so wet people were only probably going to work then the gym or shops etc. But when would they have wanted it lifted.

Obviously things aren't great but I'm sure they could be a whole lot worse, from what I've read of the Spanish flu it took mainly fit people of working age leaving the young and the old, now that would be bad.

[Old farrier]

18 minutes ago, Mice! said:

I'm glad you said that.

People can't cope with the lockdown we have, if we had locked down in Feb it wouldn't have mattered too much, it was so wet people were only probably going to work then the gym or shops etc. But when would they have wanted it lifted.

Obviously things aren't great but I'm sure they could be a whole lot worse, from what I've read of the Spanish flu it took mainly fit people of working age leaving the young and the old, now that would be bad.

No one minds queuing in the sunshine ☀️ 

let’s see how much they put up with if it rains for a fortnight 

the Spanish flu is about opposite to this one as I see it 

read a story of a village that shut itself off and all survived 

leaving money to pay for essential supplies in bowls of vinegar on the village boundary 

[Mice!]

6 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

No one minds queuing in the sunshine ☀️ 

let’s see how much they put up with if it rains for a fortnight 

the Spanish flu is about opposite to this one as I see it 

read a story of a village that shut itself off and all survived 

leaving money to pay for essential supplies in bowls of vinegar on the village boundary 

I'm not sure I'd even heard of the Spanish flu before all this, I had a look for comparison,  I don't recall doing anything about it at school.

And your right about the sunshine,  so how did the government manage to switch off the rain 😉

[JohnfromUK]

12 minutes ago, Mice! said:

so how did the government manage to switch off the rain

Maybe put their top man on the case?  I'll leave it to the readers to decide what 'name' fits the 'top man' slot.

[lancer425]

Think your too happy today ? Want to be more fed up watch this.

 

[Dave-G]

On a different type of scepticism and numbers  - given it takes some 14 days ish for the virus to show itself and we are now into week 4? of lockdown.

I wonder how many of last weeks deaths were essential workers doing what had to be done Vs those who brought it on themselves and other members of their family by not distancing or otherwise trying to protect themselves. A good number of those will surely have been the one's still recklessly mingling in pub lock downs or family and friend parties and barbies.

[lancer425]

7 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

On a different type of scepticism and numbers  - given it takes some 14 days ish for the virus to show itself and we are now into week 4? of lockdown.

I wonder how many of last weeks deaths were essential workers doing what had to be done Vs those who brought it on themselves and other members of their family by not distancing or otherwise trying to protect themselves. A good number of those will surely have been the one's still recklessly mingling in pub lock downs or family and friend parties and barbies.

Stay in its what we are expected to do. Most of us are.

[WalkedUp]

You would think the lockdown is already over. Walking the dogs this morning, the lane has plenty of cars, motorcycles, vans etc whilst cyclists, runners, walkers must be multiplying at a faster rate than the virus itself. 

[JohnfromUK]

37 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

On a different type of scepticism and numbers  - given it takes some 14 days ish for the virus to show itself and we are now into week 4? of lockdown.

I wonder how many of last weeks deaths were essential workers doing what had to be done ...........

I believe we are at Day 40, so about week 6.

They say it takes on average 5 days to 'show', then 7 days to get better (or bad for those for whom it will get bad), then maybe 7 days in hospital to get better (or go to ICU for those who need it) - and typically another 7 to 14 days in ICU - whichever outcome.  So from exposure to death might be say 20 to 30 days - implying at least some of those dying now caught it well after lockdown, but I think it is very hard to know - as some people are ill for a very long time ........., and those who are compromised by frailty or underlying illness (as many deaths are) may spend less time at each stage.

I have to admit, I had expected deaths and infections to fall off more rapidly about 3 or 4 weeks after lockdown.

Edited May 2, 2020 by JohnfromUK
Sorry, should be week 6 not 7

[Raja Clavata]

My son mentioned yesterday that one Premier League footballer has reportedly had it four times, I do stress reportedly. I would think it more likely it's a single infection that won't go away and have read of people being sick for weeks and weeks...

Truth be told, we haven't really got a scooby what is actually going on.

[mel b3]

18 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

 

Truth be told, we haven't really got a scooby what is actually going on.

This pretty much sums up the whole mess , and is the reason why for now , we need to hold steady , and listen to government advice , we may not always agree with their advice , but it's by far the best chance that we have at the moment. 

[JohnfromUK]

1 minute ago, mel b3 said:

This pretty much sums up the whole mess , and is the reason why for now , we need to hold steady , and listen to government advice , we may not always agree with their advice , but it's by far the best chance that we have at the moment. 

Exactly this /\ - plus to those saying we should have locked down earlier/later/harder/softer, and been better prepared with tests/ppe/ventilators ........... NOBODY knew/knows a great deal about this particular disease, so the advice above is undoubtedly the best path.

[Raja Clavata]

Totally agree chaps. The only additional point I'd make is that whilst we follow the guidelines we should accept that the government are necessarily and legitimately controlling our actions but we should not let them, or the press, control our minds. Fortunately most of us are able to take a "what will be will be" attitude - whilst following the guidelines - but some are absolutely petrified, frozen with fear, and I think that's pretty tragic really.

[JohnfromUK]

26 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

I think that's pretty tragic really

It is - but it is also understandable if illogical.  Many are frightened of the unknown - and death is the big unknown.  I'm more frightened of how unpleasant the 'final experience' will be - because basically I'm a coward on things medical (and even more so dental).

[yickdaz]

21 hours ago, strimmer_13 said:

it COULDNT of been stopped. End of. 

it could of been stopped from getting out of china more quickly, ok not 100% but if they acted sooner it could of been to a minimum

[strimmer_13]

13 minutes ago, yickdaz said:

it could of been stopped from getting out of china more quickly, ok not 100% but if they acted sooner it could of been to a minimum

So it couldnt of been stopped.... 

[Norfolk wildfowler]

6 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

No one is 'happy' with the lack of vaccines, the enormous financial cost, the jobs lost ........... but you cannot magic PPE and vaccines from thin air, and the measures that have been taken to protect are hugely expensive in both financial and employment terms - that is inevitable.

What I am overall quite pleased with is the way in which the crisis has and is being handled.  It is going to hurt in lots of ways - but there was and is no avoiding that.

But so many of the problems were avoidable if the government took the problem seriously. We were by the EU offered to go in for a bulk buy of millions of PPE articles in February and Boris said no we did not need them. Dozens of UK firms  8 weeks ago  offered to make PPE and ventilators and the government failed to take them up on their offers preferring to get them from China , much of which has still not arrived. Some of my  local care homes are very short of PPE now. making them in the Uk was a win win solution. It would have  given work to the firms, employment to staff, and supplied the NHS and care homes. But no the government dithered and delayed for weeks . They appeared to fail to realise the PPE gets used up at a fast rate. One order is just enough for a short time and back up orders are needed , again Boris and co failed. They put every excuse they could think of to not test for the virus antibody, many laughable if it was not so serious and only when the public outcry was so high it could not be i

Ignored have they finally started to do it. The main excuse was they had to make sure the tests worked. Well they worked in New Zealand, Taiwan, Singapore , Germany ect so there was no reason why they would not work here. The majority of the world has been wearing face masks since the start of the outbreak and yet for some reason Boris and Co thought they were a bad idea. Maybe they thought we would all turn into bank robbers. They are not as effective as we would like , but they are better than nothing. How many are dead now because of not wearing masks. Even if only one less died it would have been worth it. I got my masks , made in the UK , but bought mail order from Holland back in late March after the UK firm that made them could not sell them to Boris and co. Too little, Too late , to bad is the slogan of this government. Oh one final point , what did Dominic Cummings , Boris's political advisor say on film? O yes. If OAPS die because of this virus, too bad. I am an OAP and thought that statement  insulting.

Edited May 2, 2020 by Norfolk wildfowler

[yickdaz]

2 minutes ago, strimmer_13 said:

So it couldnt of been stopped.... 

it could of stopped less people with the virus coming in and out of china fewer people with it so fewer people spreading it 

[Norfolk wildfowler]

6 minutes ago, strimmer_13 said:

So it couldnt of been stopped.... 

The WHO managed to stop the last 3 potential pandemic virus and SARS,  Swine Flue ect.  The leaders of the world were asleep at the wheel on this one

 

[Norfolk wildfowler]

2 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

My son mentioned yesterday that one Premier League footballer has reportedly had it four times, I do stress reportedly. I would think it more likely it's a single infection that won't go away and have read of people being sick for weeks and weeks...

Truth be told, we haven't really got a scooby what is actually going on.

Boris and Co will not trust us to know what is going on and would rather treat us like children and sing happy birthday twice while washing our hands.

[Dave-G]

17 minutes ago, Norfolk wildfowler said:

Boris and Co will not trust us to know what is going on and would rather treat us like children and sing happy birthday twice while washing our hands.

Few will admit it but as the world population periodically gets thinned out by world wars and pandemics this event hitting mostly people drawing pensions and expensive healthcare is sort of convenient to be allowed to stretch out given its going to happen to some degree anyway - and we get to blame China too.

I deliberately left out the others it has a disproportional effect on to try and keep the discussion within forum rules.

Edited May 2, 2020 by Dave-G

[clangerman]

4 hours ago, Velocette said:

Try not to provoke him,,,,,see him as a dustbin,  Something we have to put up with, , not very attractive to look at, which for part of the time is echoingly empty and the rest of time is full of ,,,,,,,,it.

what is wrong with you are you so sad you cannot have a opinion without bad mouthing people if all you have to offer is insults find a playground 

[strimmer_13]

Everybody wants somebody to blame. Well blame yourself. Blame your holidays. Blame your clothes that came from abroad. Blame your food that came from abroad. Blame your holidays that you take abroad. Blame your kids that go abroad. Blame your work that imports and exports abroad. Blame your work that sends you abroad. Blame your cartridges that have componets from abroad. Blame your imported guns. Or your cars. Hell, while your at it you might as well go fire bomb some 5g masts you all sound so angry about anything that could be blamed. Millions of ways any pathogen can spead, nobody giving two ****s about the way it HASN'T spread, whats trying to be done to stop it spreading, they just want to bitch about the way it COULDNT of been stopped. Be thankful this aint airborne

[toontastic]

13 minutes ago, clangerman said:

what is wrong with you are you so sad you cannot have a opinion without bad mouthing people if all you have to offer is insults find a playground 

What is wrong with you????

You go on one thread advocating violating the lockdown to go pigeon shooting etc. Then you pop up on another thread wanting to shoot people for breaking lockdown.