lancer425 Posted May 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2020 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Mungler said: We can cut the arguing short because very soon the government is going to want people back at work because the lockdown and paying people to stay at home cannot continue indefinitely. The truth of the stats is that if you are under 70 years of age the chance of your catching this and dying is about 1300 : 1 and of course the younger you are (and the further away from 70 you are in age), the longer those odds become. I doubt that I even know 1300 people 😆 The message remains, if you’re over 65 or a bit touch and go anyway then crack on and stay in but the rest of the world just cannot do that with you for much longer. It’s worth weighing that stat against the below. Of the people I know and speak to, everyone has said that when the lockdown is lifted they have no desire to put themselves in harm’s way or at risk and so won’t be going ‘our out’ or to the pub etc. Most people want to get back to a routine and back to work without Facebook Curtain twitching quislings wanting to string them up for the heinous crime of being outside. But i imagine that when you are a 30 year old bus driver, with a wife and three kids at home , in otherwise good health, That you can reasure yourself with all those numbers when you are fighting for every last breath of air just before the lights go out on your little world forever. Statistics are no real comfort to a ICU patient man no matter if hes 27 or 72. This virus is killing people, and sorry but not all have underlying issues. We will be back when they decide we go back, many of us never stopped working just did it in a compliant and responsible way. If you can not work from home, Start a new job where your able to work, sell online anything. risking others lives just because you lack drive or imagination is no excuse. Stand up dust yourself off and get with a plan, just do it responsibly and safely your doing no wrong. Edited May 9, 2020 by lancer425 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millrace Posted May 9, 2020 Report Share Posted May 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, lancer425 said: If you can not work from home, Start a new job where your able to work, sell online anything. risking others lives just because you lack drive or imagination is no excuse. Next time you need a builder/tradesperson come to do something for you,,please tell them this is your opinion of their profession..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted May 9, 2020 Report Share Posted May 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, lancer425 said: But i imagine that when you are a 30 year old bus driver, with a wife and three kids at home , in otherwise good health, That you can reasure yourself with all those numbers when you are fighting for every last breath of air just before the lights go out on your little world forever Blimey. You really do write for the Daily Mail, or read it too intensely instead of the Comic that it is 🙂 9 minutes ago, lancer425 said: Statistics are no real comfort to a ICU patient man no matter if hes 27 or 72. This virus is killing people, and sorry but not all have underlying issues. Nope, probably just unfit or obese- maybe previously unknown defects. Circa 32000, Out of a population of 6800000 died as a possible result of Covid 19. In the same time frame in excess of 63000 were born. Maybe we’ve come to take it for granted that we will all live to 100, maybe the past 50 years or so, we’ve been artificially sustaining life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted May 9, 2020 Report Share Posted May 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, lancer425 said: But i imagine that when you are a 30 year old bus driver, with a wife and three kids at home , in otherwise good health, That you can reasure yourself with all those numbers when you are fighting for every last breath of air just before the lights go out on your little world forever. Statistics are no real comfort to a ICU patient man no matter if hes 27 or 72. This virus is killing people, and sorry but not all have underlying issues. We will be back when they decide we go back, many of us never stopped working just did it in a compliant and responsible way. If you can not work from home, Start a new job where your able to work, sell online anything. risking others lives just because you lack drive or imagination is no excuse. Stand up dust yourself off and get with a plan, just do it responsibly and safely your doing no wrong. It’s all very well saying get a new job if you can’t work from home who’s going to do the jobs ? Some are essential they will still need to be done and some stuff is impossible with social distancing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted May 9, 2020 Report Share Posted May 9, 2020 (edited) Well, it doesn’t matter what any of us think, the lockdown will be eased and it will be sooner rather than later because no matter what the consequences are the Government cannot pay the whole population to stay at home indefinitely. If anyone wants to stay at home of their own free choice and on their own funds - crack on, it’s a free country. Edited May 9, 2020 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted May 9, 2020 Report Share Posted May 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, millrace said: Next time you need a builder/tradesperson come to do something for you,,please tell them this is your opinion of their profession..... Or anyone in retail, that ‘poor bus driver’, hospitality, care profession, medical professionals, Dentists, farm labourers, ( not forgetting us Pilots), Army, Navy, Air Force, And those very same workers who produce/supply your food along with the supermarket workers who you have probably seen recently when you’ve been out for you ‘essential’ journey !!!!!! The list goes on, just because your able to work from home, the rest of us can’t and many professions couldn’t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted May 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2020 13 minutes ago, Old farrier said: It’s all very well saying get a new job if you can’t work from home who’s going to do the jobs ? Some are essential they will still need to be done and some stuff is impossible with social distancing And that is why if you look some want staff who have already had the virus, and should have some kind of even short term immunity from it to some extent this should keep them safe in such unique situations as you describe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted May 9, 2020 Report Share Posted May 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, lancer425 said: And that is why if you look some want staff who have already had the virus, and should have some kind of even short term immunity from it to some extent this should keep them safe in such unique situations as you describe. That’s handy if you want a dentist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted May 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, Jaymo said: Blimey. You really do write for the Daily Mail, or read it too intensely instead of the Comic that it is 🙂 Nope, probably just unfit or obese- maybe previously unknown defects. Circa 32000, Out of a population of 6800000 died as a possible result of Covid 19. In the same time frame in excess of 63000 were born. Maybe we’ve come to take it for granted that we will all live to 100, maybe the past 50 years or so, we’ve been artificially sustaining life? No matter how you dress this doll up its still a doll. You can not remove the fact this virus is not acceptable in any society, and exactly why the entire world is putting in place what contingency plans they can to help the human race get over this problem. The death toll will be much higher than we are currently aware and we may never know the whole story. Statistics show what they want to show. And as we do not know exactly how many are infected at this very moment in time, and we dont have the exact death toll, we can only go on what we actually have. Which is far from the full picture. In view of all this how can we arrive at an genuinely accurate age range? There could be more younger people that never got tested. Or more important is the fact the virus did not actually kill them. This virus impacts on its victims in many other ways than certain death, there is mental illness brought about by lack of oxogem, and lung damage and no doubt other aspects i never even considered. But my point is its not just death that trying to control this virus is all about. its Life and the quality of that life on those that can and will survive it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted May 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2020 39 minutes ago, millrace said: Next time you need a builder/tradesperson come to do something for you,,please tell them this is your opinion of their profession..... Nothing to say they can not return to their chosen profession after the dust settles, but needs must, sometimes in life we have to do things we had not planned for. it happens and right now here its Happening. Adapt and survive or roll over and die. start decisions but that’s the way it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted May 9, 2020 Report Share Posted May 9, 2020 33 minutes ago, lancer425 said: No matter how you dress this doll up its still a doll. You can not remove the fact this virus is not acceptable in any society Say what ?😂 27 minutes ago, lancer425 said: Nothing to say they can not return to their chosen profession after the dust settles, Very good of you to let us 😏 When are you going to get to grips with the fact that this virus is going to be around for a long ,long time ? A vaccine will only help if it doesn't mutate, and it will, and has already. Good luck with waiting it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted May 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Say what ?😂 Very good of you to let us 😏 When are you going to get to grips with the fact that this virus is going to be around for a long ,long time ? A vaccine will only help if it doesn't mutate, and it will, and has already. Good luck with waiting it out. Stop being obtuse, we are well aware of the fact its going to be here a wile, and we can carry on with proper social distancing to some extent. But we need to have measures in place to change and adapt with how the virus is infecting in an area and accurately predict its impact, and take any appropriate action we need too. Its not going to go away overnight, bu it should eventually die, this will then get us more time to find vaccines and hopefully keep abreast with this virus and any mutations of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted May 9, 2020 Report Share Posted May 9, 2020 (edited) Increasing consensus that ‘no lock down Sweden’ have it right: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/sweden-insists-its-no-lockdown-approach-to-coronavirus-will-pay-off-1.4248417?mode=amp It’s still all too early to tell but we shouldn’t dismiss any counter-idea or counter-plan without further investigation or discussion because it doesn’t suit the mantra ‘stay home, save lives and protect the NHS’ etc Edit One thing the article touches on is what we do when flu season comes round at the end of the year (and that’s but a few months away)? Any one for another lockdown? 😆 Edited May 9, 2020 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted May 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, Mungler said: Increasing consensus that ‘no lock down Sweden’ have it right: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/sweden-insists-its-no-lockdown-approach-to-coronavirus-will-pay-off-1.4248417?mode=amp It’s still all too early to tell but we shouldn’t dismiss any counter-idea or counter-plan without further investigation or discussion because it doesn’t suit the mantra ‘stay home, save lives and protect the NHS’ etc Edit One thing they article touches on is what we do when flu season comes round at the end of the year (and that’s but a few months away)? Any one for another lockdown? 😆 It could be sweeden has it spot on, and it works great for them, with low number of infections, and a low death toll. But we will never ever know or stand a remote CHANCE OF ACCURATELY DETERMINING IF THIS APPROACH WOULD OR COULD HAVE WORKED FOR THE UK OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY. We are hearing differing opinions fom different schools of thought on nearly every aspect of this virus. We in the Uk knew all along we were playing a risky game staying open as long as we did, It could be we got more infections due to this, but its just not clear. We dont seem to be doing that well in the death tolls, but again no genuine accurate figures exist. We might never know the true figures. Even if it works perfectly for one country its not necessarily going to work in another. This virus is not that well known and we are led to believe they are learning about it all the time. Meanwhile lets wait to see what we are allowed to do tomorrow come Monday morning. I predict not a lot different to today. But since when did the law stop some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted May 9, 2020 Report Share Posted May 9, 2020 hello, just said on sky news golf and fishing allowed but no mention of shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted May 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, just said on sky news golf and fishing allowed but no mention of shooting Did they say any details or just a highlight.? It could be worded outdoor sport where social distancing can be employed like golf and fishing. It might not say that just as easy though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted May 9, 2020 Report Share Posted May 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, lancer425 said: Did they say any details or just a highlight.? It could be worded outdoor sport where social distancing can be employed like golf and fishing. It might not say that just as easy though. hello, no it just mention golf and fishing on the sky update Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted May 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2020 Just now, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, no it just mention golf and fishing on the sky update Ok. Least its a start . Way the licensing thing is going and anti shooting groups, we might all be fishing before very long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted May 9, 2020 Report Share Posted May 9, 2020 1 minute ago, lancer425 said: Ok. Least its a start . Way the licensing thing is going and anti shooting groups, we might all be fishing before very long. hello, will see if any update on sky in morning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted May 10, 2020 Report Share Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, just said on sky news golf and fishing allowed but no mention of shooting The government are not likely to mention shooting that most of the public don't support. We can't expect them to list rarer leisure activities like shooting, metal detecting, bird watching or train spotting etc. Given shooting is generally done more remotely than fishing or golf I think we can very easily defend it, especially if done alone and not at excessive travelling distance - particularly since golf is usually played by at least a pair, with travelling. Anyone daft enough, after the official golf and fishing examples update, to ask their FLO for permission to exercise alone with a gun where they have permission deserves any non commitment they get if the person they ask hasn't officially been told its acceptable. Edited May 10, 2020 by Dave-G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord v Posted May 10, 2020 Report Share Posted May 10, 2020 5 hours ago, Dave-G said: The government are not likely to mention shooting that most of the public don't support. We can't expect them to list rarer leisure activities like shooting, metal detecting, bird watching or train spotting etc. Given shooting is generally done more remotely than fishing or golf I think we can very easily defend it, especially if done alone and not at excessive travelling distance - particularly since golf is usually played by at least a pair, with travelling. Anyone daft enough, after the official golf and fishing examples update, to ask their FLO for permission to exercise alone with a gun where they have permission deserves any non commitment they get if the person they ask hasn't officially been told its acceptable. I saw a letter from the CPSA to one government minister (can't remember which one) basically saying if golf can resume then so can clay shooting. Clay shooting is unlikely to be directly mentioned in an announcement though just as it wasn't on the shut down instructions. If clay shooting is back then pigeon shooting is a definite no brainer .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted May 10, 2020 Report Share Posted May 10, 2020 when pigeon shooting ,you are on your own so why not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted May 10, 2020 Report Share Posted May 10, 2020 10 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, just said on sky news golf and fishing allowed but no mention of shooting The only time you’ll hear shooting mentioned on the UK news is when either a person or a raptor has been shot. I would think if golf and fishing is allowed then shooting is a given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhastings Posted May 10, 2020 Report Share Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Scully said: The only time you’ll hear shooting mentioned on the UK news is when either a person or a raptor has been shot. I would think if golf and fishing is allowed then shooting is a given. Exactly no way is any one in government going to stand up and stay you can now resume shooting. It will be covered by any other outdoor activity. Not seen the news yet but is england allowed to go fishing ? In wales we are not and nothing has changed for us for another 3 weeks Edited May 10, 2020 by captainhastings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted May 10, 2020 Report Share Posted May 10, 2020 21 minutes ago, Scully said: The only time you’ll hear shooting mentioned on the UK news is when either a person or a raptor has been shot. I would think if golf and fishing is allowed then shooting is a given. hello, i think your right Scully but there are 10s of 1000s of people go shooting with clay pigeon/pest control/air rifle/game shooting its only given bad publicity when this happens, for me its more on getting out in the countryside again, catching up at the farm, or a bit of trout fishing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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