Cummings in the soup?

[Retsdon]

I see the Telegraph has a front page opinion piece that he should go. Interesting - why would the leading Conservative broadsheet put one into the Prime Minister's appointed advisor? Perhaps eventually it might come out who it was that leaked the story to the Guardian and Mirror because almost certainly they didn't think to investigate him themselves. And then it will all become a bit clearer. 

What was it that Churchill said about the Commons.... 'The opposition occupies the benches in front of you, but the enemy sits behind you' - and that's especially true for the Tories. Johnson is starting to look a bit ragged these days and what better way to undermine him than by nobbling his right hand man? 

My money's on Gove. 

[AVB]

statement from No 10 ... ‘Owing to his wife being infected with suspected Coronavirus and the high likelihood that he would himself become unwell, it was essential for Dominic Cummings to ensure his young child could be properly cared for. His sister and nieces had volunteered to help so he went to a house near to but separate from his extended family in case their help was needed. His sister shopped for the family and left everything outside. At no stage was he or his family spoken to by the police about this matter, as is being reported. His actions were in line with coronavirus guidelines. Mr Cummings believes he behaved reasonably and legally.’
 

non story. 

[Retsdon]

2 minutes ago, AVB said:

non story.

Number10 is basically Cummings himself these days, so let's wait and see how much cabinet support it gets. If the support is lukewarm and hedged about with caveats....

[REDINGTON]

When I saw the thread title I thought, "well I'm never going to have soup again"

[WalkedUp]

6 minutes ago, AVB said:

‘Owing to his wife being infected with suspected Coronavirus and the high likelihood that he would himself become unwell, it was essential for Dominic Cummings to ensure his young child could be properly cared for. His sister and nieces had volunteered to help so he went to a house near to but separate from his extended family in case their help was needed. His sister shopped for the family and left everything outside. At no stage was he or his family spoken to by the police about this matter, as is being reported. His actions were in line with coronavirus guidelines. Mr Cummings believes he behaved reasonably and legally.’

What absolute rubbish, the statement not your post AVB. The whole UK has been lockdown, my wife is a key worker if she was infected by the time symptoms appear anyone in the house has been exposed. We have three small children. But the only way to contain the virus is individual sacrifice and grit. 

Just now, REDINGTON said:

When I saw the thread title I thought, "well I'm never going to have soup again"

🤣🤣🤣

I assume Cumming’s second home isn’t in Eyam.

[AVB]

13 minutes ago, WalkedUp said:

What absolute rubbish, the statement not your post AVB. The whole UK has been lockdown, my wife is a key worker if she was infected by the time symptoms appear anyone in the house has been exposed. We have three small children. But the only way to contain the virus is individual sacrifice and grit. 

🤣🤣🤣

I assume Cumming’s second home isn’t in Eyam.

And what was he supposed to do regarding his 4 year old child? Let him starve? I suppose that would be ‘gritty’. 

[WalkedUp]

That’s slightly ridiculous isn’t it? If he was well enough to drive 260miles it is likely his child was not in any immediate danger of starvation 🤣

[clangerman]

he was supposed to do the same as everyone else FOLLOW the rules denials and lies with joe public is the fastest way out of the door FATAL mistake 

[AVB]

1 minute ago, WalkedUp said:

That’s slightly ridiculous isn’t it? If he was well enough to drive 260miles it is likely his child was not in any immediate danger of starvation 🤣

Unless he got worse. Jenny Harris confirmed on 24 March that if both parents were ill then a young child was vulnerable and if both parents were unable to look after them then it was exceptional circumstances. 

[clangerman]

Just now, AVB said:

Unless he got worse. Jenny Harris confirmed on 24 March that if both parents were ill then a young child was vulnerable and if both parents were unable to look after them then it was exceptional circumstances. 

denying he’s done any wrong your actually helping dig his hole deeper calling for a apology would be more helpful when your caught your caught and he’s been caught 

[Retsdon]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/02/11/superheroes-could-do-better-job-cabinet-says-dominic-cummings/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7552287/Cabinet-fury-Dominic-Cummings-suggests-cutting-security-ties-EU-countries.html

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/boris-johnson-analysis-brutal-cabinet-reshuffle-iron-fist-dominic-cummings-1660253

Cummings has made a lot of enemies on his own side who'd be more than happy to see him taken down and this morning's Telegraph article could be the black cap. The Telegraph is the Establishment's house paper and if it's saying he should go, I don't know where else he's going to find support....

[WalkedUp]

I was initially neutral as I don’t like these witch hunts. However when I make a mistake I own up, apologise and accept my punishment. I have no respect for men who shirk their responsibilities or duty. His statement has really riled me. 

Edited May 23, 2020 by WalkedUp

[clangerman]

5 minutes ago, WalkedUp said:

I was initially neutral as I don’t like these witch hunts. However when I make a mistake I own up, apologise and accept my punishment. I have no respect for men who shirk their responsibilities or duty. His statement has really riled me. 

you are absolutely spot on lying to the public annoys them who is stupid enough to use a stick on a dog you know will bite you 

[AVB]

39 minutes ago, clangerman said:

denying he’s done any wrong your actually helping dig his hole deeper calling for a apology would be more helpful when your caught your caught and he’s been caught 

I wouldn’t apologise if I felt I hadn’t done anything wrong. That’s the problem with society today. We feel we have to apologise all the time. 

[clangerman]

i never vote or support any of the clowns i’m totally neutral so when i give a opinion on the idiots it’s honest he broke the rules got caught and tried to justify it which insults the public so now he’s in a proper hole dug by his self for trying to pull a fast one stupidity on that scale needs to go only a fool angers voters 

[Raja Clavata]

I'm so out of touch recently due to work commitments, so the only thing I know about this story so far is what I've read here.

I think it's probably fair to say I hate Cummings, and hatred is not a word I use lightly, never mind the past I think the world would be a better place without him involved in public policy making or government.

The thing is, by the very nature of the person he is, he should know that opponents will always be out to get him and up his game accordingly (be squeaky clean) - unless he actually believes he is untouchable.

So, I'll reserve judgement for now, will go and away and check the reports but I already know I want him gone, and for good.  

[TIGHTCHOKE]

You might hate him, some of us are convinced he's the best thing since sliced bread!

[henry d]

3 hours ago, sportsbob said:

That is not my decision to make nor is it yours so asking the question is nothing more than trolling.

Just asking your opinion. If those who are "in charge" can interpret a guideline in a certain way then why can't we all? The answer is clear that it would be anarchy.

It will be interesting to find out who knew and whether they gave him the all clear to do it.

[Rewulf]

4 hours ago, Retsdon said:

Number10 is basically Cummings himself these days

 

3 hours ago, Retsdon said:

Cummings has made a lot of enemies on his own side

And there you go , youve answered your own question on why this is even a story.
Ferguson et al , made up stats and legislation that basically made up the 'rules' of the lockdown, then broke them, blatant hypocrisy .
Cummings didnt, if hes guilty of anything , its interpreting the rules that best served his interests at a time of anxiety for him and his family.
Or do you want to believe he just fancied a jolly to Durham ?

 

50 minutes ago, henry d said:

If those who are "in charge" can interpret a guideline in a certain way then why can't we all?

We can , and do.

 

50 minutes ago, henry d said:

It will be interesting to find out who knew and whether they gave him the all clear to do it.

Who really gives a flying one ..seriously , its hardly a high profile crime is it ?
People dying , the economy up the creek , and people bleating , because a man went to his parents ?

Give me strength.

[treetree]

The thing I find most alarming about this story is that there has obviously been media suppression in not printing the story when it happened. It was obviously thought hearing about one of the architects of the lockdown make his own interpretation of the 'guidelines' and make the journey might lead to others doing the same.

Convenient how these are referred to as "guidelines" now; compare this to the increasingly hectoring and threatening tone at the time. 

[Yellow Bear]

33 minutes ago, treetree said:

The thing I find most alarming about this story is that there has obviously been media suppression in not printing the story when it happened.

Probably delayed whilst the "witness" that flagged it up, a neighbour I believe, negotiated their "fee" with the Guardian 

[Scully]

2 hours ago, henry d said:

If those who are "in charge" can interpret a guideline in a certain way then why can't we all? .

Apart from the OH’s parents, I don’t know of anyone who hasn’t interpreted them in their own way, or just simply ignored them. 
Seriously. I’m struggling to think of anyone. 
Two days after Boris announced the lockdown I was asked by a client if I was still ‘coming to do his hallway and stairs’. I did. His wife was working from home ( something to do with social welfare ) but every Friday she travelled down to Sheffield to care for her 80 odd year old Mam who was already being visited by carers three times a day! 

I worked in a charity housing association for two weeks also, where the residents sat about in the sun behind the walled facade, drinking tea and chatting all day. Two resident sisters packed their bags and went off somewhere for a week to visit their elderly mother, following a bank holiday. 
Families have been having BBQ’s at each other’s homes when the weather was suitable, and life in general has gone in much as before. 
One of the villagers acquired a pony for a trap....I have no idea how the pony got here, but I doubt it just wandered by. 
Another has re slated his roof with the help of a mate from another village. 
I myself have continued working throughout; the only difficulty I have had was acquiring suitable materials.
People have to apply common sense to any given situation, it’s all we can do. 

[treetree]

14 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said:

Probably delayed whilst the "witness" that flagged it up, a neighbour I believe, negotiated their "fee" with the Guardian 

I'd imagine there are plenty of people out there who would give a kidney to be  the one who got to finish off Cummings

[TIGHTCHOKE]

1 minute ago, treetree said:

I'd imagine there are plenty of people out there who would give a kidney to be  the one who got to finish off Cummings

And a similar number who hope he gets to administer a lot more!

[Scully]

3 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

I'm so out of touch recently due to work commitments, so the only thing I know about this story so far is what I've read here.

I think it's probably fair to say I hate Cummings, and hatred is not a word I use lightly, never mind the past I think the world would be a better place without him involved in public policy making or government.

The thing is, by the very nature of the person he is, he should know that opponents will always be out to get him and up his game accordingly (be squeaky clean) - unless he actually believes he is untouchable.

So, I'll reserve judgement for now, will go and away and check the reports but I already know I want him gone, and for good.  

I know how you feel. I still despise Alastair Campbell, and for the same reasons as you touch on above, yet there he was on the radio this very morning, spouting off all the reasons Cummings should go.
I doubt the irony passed him by. I despise and loathe the man.