steve_b_wales Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 I want to add another double point, approx' 12" from the original one. Is it just a case of linking the two together by means of cable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 Yes. 2.5mm cable as long as its only for a normal socket and not a cooker or shower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted October 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, walshie said: Yes. 2.5mm cable as long as its only for a normal socket and not a cooker or shower. Thanks. Yes, Just another double point in the hallway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearwater Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 (edited) As most things 'it depends' 1. Take the 2 screws out and pull the socket away from the wall 2. There will either be 3 or 6 or 9 wires ( all sets of 3 ) 3. If there are 3 or 9 then call a sparky 4 a. If there 6 you have part of a ring main system. You can do it easily, if you need to run something powerful then copy what you can see at your new socket with new 2.5mm T&E (twin and earth, you can buy it by the metre ) take your 2 new sets of 3 to your old socket and remake the ring main b. If it's to run a small appliance on occasion or lamp etc then just add a piece of 2.5T&E to the new socket as a spur Edited October 23, 2020 by Shearwater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remimax Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 26 minutes ago, Shearwater said: 4 a. If there 6 you have part of a ring main system. You can do it easily, if you need to run something powerful then copy what you can see at your new socket with new 2.5mm T&E (twin and earth, you can buy it by the metre ) take your 2 new sets of 3 to your old socket and remake the ring main b. If it's to run a small appliance on occasion or lamp etc then just add a piece of 2.5T&E to the new socket as a spur really ? stick to the day job. spend half my time sorting out diy cack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, Remimax said: really ? stick to the day job. spend half my time sorting out diy cack. 😂 Cpc instead of earth and Radial instead of Spur, then were nearly 18th edition compliant.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 I am going with the thought of its okay just adding the wire when i first moved here a sparky from work doubled up all my sockets singles became doubles, doubles became trebles and im sure he just added wire and changed the fronts Ran beside lamp switches as well round each side of the headboard but did that with trunking Best post office bag of used golf balls i ever traded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 https://www.wilko.com/wilko-2m-4-way-extension-lead/p/0021777?gclid=CjwKCAjw_sn8BRBrEiwAnUGJDhzvA7rfhqlYAQg9zQcnggA7bKVHssU3hiPGTyrf8K_lo6yK2V09mxoCQSgQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds Stick to the wall with some double sided sticky tape, the benefit is you can move it around the kitchen. Seriously though i would ask a nice lecy to do it. if you do the chasing out it will save you a few quid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Remimax said: really ? stick to the day job. spend half my time sorting out diy cack. Helpful lol ....... what do you spend the other half doing? Sucking your teeth and scratching your ****? It’s hardly wiring a nuclear plant it’s adding a double socket in a hallway..... hardly rocket surgery..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearwater Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 11 hours ago, Remimax said: really ? stick to the day job. spend half my time sorting out diy cack. What I suggested isn't wrong; ring main or spur. I also tried to keep it simple for the OP. Did you notice the way I start a sentence with a capital letter on each occasion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Heron Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 9 hours ago, HDAV said: Helpful lol ....... what do you spend the other half doing? Sucking your teeth and scratching your ****? It’s hardly wiring a nuclear plant it’s adding a double socket in a hallway..... hardly rocket surgery..... For some a task like this can be daunting for others very easy my area is pipe work and belive me I have seen a lot of teeth sucking moments, everyone to there own there is no shame in asking for advice or employing someone to do it for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remimax Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 9 hours ago, HDAV said: Helpful lol ....... what do you spend the other half doing? Sucking your teeth and scratching your ****? It’s hardly wiring a nuclear plant it’s adding a double socket in a hallway..... hardly rocket surgery..... funnily enough the other half is spent inspection testing and certification which doesnt apply to diyers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Shearwater said: What I suggested isn't wrong; ring main or spur. I also tried to keep it simple for the OP. Did you notice the way I start a sentence with a capital letter on each occasion? Classy - it clearly landed on stony ground too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manthing Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 15 hours ago, Shearwater said: As most things 'it depends' 1. Take the 2 screws out and pull the socket away from the wall 2. There will either be 3 or 6 or 9 wires ( all sets of 3 ) 3. If there are 3 or 9 then call a sparky 4 a. If there 6 you have part of a ring main system. You can do it easily, if you need to run something powerful then copy what you can see at your new socket with new 2.5mm T&E (twin and earth, you can buy it by the metre ) take your 2 new sets of 3 to your old socket and remake the ring main b. If it's to run a small appliance on occasion or lamp etc then just add a piece of 2.5T&E to the new socket as a spur For number 4 not necessarily could be in the middle of a radial circuit, you'd need to check continuity or at least you have 2 lives. Our old cottage has a 32amp ring for the kitchen and had a 20amp radial for the rest of the house. I had a new board put in last year and had the radial split to 2 32amp rings. It was a lot of upheaval but now if its not cold enough to put the heating on we can put a few heaters on around the house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 17 hours ago, steve_b_wales said: I want to add another double point, approx' 12" from the original one. Is it just a case of linking the two together by means of cable? If the existing socket is part of a standard ring main i.e all connections doubled up, then you can run a spur on a single 2.5 cable but, as I understand it, it must be a single socket. Remimax probably knows for sure but it's worth checking, because in the event of a house fire you could find yourself uninsured. It's also extremely bad practice to run wires horizontally, so it should be run vertically down, under the floorboards and back up to the spur socket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 Or if it is a low load fit one of these https://www.amazon.co.uk/Eterna-CONVERT4-Converter-Socket-Protection/dp/B074QRFKZM/ref=asc_df_B074QRFKZM/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=256110712503&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=2846271882661476812&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9298291&hvtargid=pla-420324203413&psc=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manthing Posted October 25, 2020 Report Share Posted October 25, 2020 22 hours ago, Westward said: It's also extremely bad practice to run wires horizontally, so it should be run vertically down, under the floorboards and back up to the spur socket. No it isn't. https://www.diynot.com/wiki/Electrics:walls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted October 25, 2020 Report Share Posted October 25, 2020 4 hours ago, manthing said: No it isn't. https://www.diynot.com/wiki/Electrics:walls I didn't say it isn't permitted, I said - and I'm speaking as an engineer - it's bad practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manthing Posted October 26, 2020 Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 22 hours ago, Westward said: I didn't say it isn't permitted, I said - and I'm speaking as an engineer - it's bad What kind of engineer? How can something be bad practice if its an approved route? None of the various inspectors have ever mentioned it to me (part p domestic installer) or my sparks that I now sub all my work out to. If you don't like doing it, thats fine, you work your way. But to tell someone a thing is bad practice when it clearly isn't considered that by the regulatory body and doing it that way would not make it fail any inspection is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilts#Dave Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 On 25/10/2020 at 15:24, Westward said: I didn't say it isn't permitted, I said - and I'm speaking as an engineer - it's bad practice. Sorry, but not ‘bad practise’ at all, especially when it comes to ‘alterations’ not wiring from scratch where it wouldn’t be an issue. Perfectly well permitted to run horizontal or vertical from an accessory. What it would be is be poor time management taking carpet/floor up to run cable down and back up to a socket a foot over to one side! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearwater Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 Wow, what a thread. I'm on the verge of driving to Wales and doing the job for free for Steve B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted October 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 24 minutes ago, Shearwater said: Wow, what a thread. I'm on the verge of driving to Wales and doing the job for free for Steve B Hurry up then! ☺️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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