Perazzishot Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 I always thought this was going to be a risk using a PVA type material that reacts with dampness. I understand they are supposed to be gas tight at the wad, so is it a chemical reaction or not as tight on the seal as they think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) It’s worrying that it maybe clumping together for any reason. Edited January 13, 2021 by welshwarrior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morkin Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 Very interesting video and thanks for that ,but very worrying the way they have stuck together and coated with powder in such a short time plus stored in the dry . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 Expensive but environmentally friendly slugs in the making Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 That is very naughty, something fundamental is amiss with the make up of the cartridges. Either moisture contained withing the resin of the wad or humid air is getting in. A test of sealing the tops and bottoms on new carts would be good as a sample to compare with ones not touched. No telling how the carts were stored before you buy them. Could be heavy rain on delivery day dampening the boxes. If it's that bad on copper coated lead, don't hold much hope for the steel shot versions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 Minimal shelf life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 So ... concerned enough to make a video, but not concerned enough to take one down the range, fire it, and see if the pellets emerge from the wad ... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
243deer Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 looks like a good fox round to me 😉 needs the batch numbers reporting back to Ely PVA based products have been around for a long time, I was using them carp fishing in the 80s and they often had to be used in certain ways to get the best out of them. Pretty sure that this will be temporary and the chemists can adjust the formula a little to stop this happening. It might mean a slower degradation but whether 1 month or two it will be a vast improvement over current plastic wads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 Interesting , I believe this problem was brought to Eley's attention some months ago and they said it was unlikely to happen as the crimps were heat sealed . So could it be an issue with the PVA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 3 hours ago, Smokersmith said: So ... concerned enough to make a video, but not concerned enough to take one down the range, fire it, and see if the pellets emerge from the wad ... ? This ^^^^^^^ should pattern them each month they will probably all detach when fired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) PVA was has a hydroxyl content, copper and steel form a weak battery, corrosion ensues. Edited January 14, 2021 by Stonepark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Stonepark said: PVA was has a hydroxyl content, copper and steel form a weak battery, corrosion ensues. I suspect if iron only pellets were used this would not have the same issues. Edited January 14, 2021 by Stonepark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 6 hours ago, Smokersmith said: So ... concerned enough to make a video, but not concerned enough to take one down the range, fire it, and see if the pellets emerge from the wad ... ? Quite! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry78 Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 20 hours ago, Perazzishot said: I always thought this was going to be a risk using a PVA type material that reacts with dampness. I understand they are supposed to be gas tight at the wad, so is it a chemical reaction or not as tight on the seal as they think? Very interesting video You would Think in this day and age with technology cartridge companies have this would not be happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 For anyone who's interested, have a look and find an old lead cartridge .... cut it open and chances are you'll see white powder on the lead, and some pellets still in the wad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 I think it's more to do with the fact that something is amiss here. The wads are failing, under what conditions we don't know, but he states a new batch and a month, so guessing a month in dry conditions. Would a felt wad be blowing after a month or 2. No. I've got carts quite some years old as have many and they aren't failing. I don't buy to use within the week, I've got enough stock to last a few years fortunately, and I wouldn't trust these after 2 months after seeing that. If these are melting under standard conditions they ain't going to worth **** in the field. The idea is great but eley need to step up their game and get a better sealing process or stop selling sub standard carts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 More work is needed to establish that the wads are failing. There is no evidence I've seen yet that this is the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perazzishot Posted January 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 It appears that the steel version are heat sealed at the crimp, but the copper/lead do not have a sealed crimp. Humidity, moisture exposure or even in an open pocket/cartridge bag in the rain could have this result! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferretlurcher1970 Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 This is what happens when you rush through development, because BASC dropped us in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 I have cut a few of my cartridges that are a few months old apart and found them to be fine . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 On 15/01/2021 at 08:59, Ferretlurcher1970 said: This is what happens when you rush through development, because BASC dropped us in it. It helps if you read through the thread before commenting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferretlurcher1970 Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 I stand by what I said. Same as Basc mag this month page 21 its fine to bulge your barrels I rest my case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stockybasher Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 PRO ECO WAD - V2 / 2021 VERSION Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 Why bother with any plastic type wads when you have fibre at 91.9% pattern, better than most plastic wads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 58 minutes ago, rbrowning2 said: Why bother with any plastic type wads when you have fibre at 91.9% pattern, better than most plastic wads. Because we need an environmentally sound solution for steel shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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