fern01 Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 An article in the paper states that 25% Of Care Home Staff have not been vaccinated although they all have been offered it. Should it be made compulsory or part of their contract of employment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 (edited) Its illegal apparently, although I would have thought it was a no brainer You can't force people to take it. However you can make it a selection criteria for new hires Edited March 5, 2021 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.T Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 I won’t be having the vaccine when it is offered to me. I haven’t seen any evidence to prove that there is no long term side effects. It’s only been around since Q3 last year so they don’t know what happens in 12 or 18 months time. That’s why in normal times a vaccine takes years to become available. Guess everyone makes up their own mind but don’t think anyone should be forced to have it regardless of where they work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted March 6, 2021 Report Share Posted March 6, 2021 8 hours ago, Mr.T said: I won’t be having the vaccine when it is offered to me. I haven’t seen any evidence to prove that there is no long term side effects. It’s only been around since Q3 last year so they don’t know what happens in 12 or 18 months time. That’s why in normal times a vaccine takes years to become available. Guess everyone makes up their own mind but don’t think anyone should be forced to have it regardless of where they work. Well I’ve heard it’s just a slightly changed version of current flu vaccines, that’s why they were able to make it so fast. Meaning the side effects are the same as current flu vaccines and we have studied them for many years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted March 6, 2021 Report Share Posted March 6, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, Mr.T said: I won’t be having the vaccine when it is offered to me. I haven’t seen any evidence to prove that there is no long term side effects. It’s only been around since Q3 last year so they don’t know what happens in 12 or 18 months time. That’s why in normal times a vaccine takes years to become available. Guess everyone makes up their own mind but don’t think anyone should be forced to have it regardless of where they work. I was a little dubious myself (some months ago) , but it was clearly explained(somewhere on pw) why and how the vaccine came about so quickly . Iirc , it was more to do with funding than science. 👍. Edited March 6, 2021 by mel b3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.T Posted March 6, 2021 Report Share Posted March 6, 2021 If that’s the case why did the government feel the need to change the law to grant immunity from civil liability to the vaccine producers? As reported in the Independent in December. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartc44 Posted March 6, 2021 Report Share Posted March 6, 2021 I thought it was so quick because it hasn't gone through full testing, "The decision to approve the supply of this vaccine was taken under Regulation 174 of the Human Medicine Regulations 2012, which enables rapid temporary regulatory approvals to address significant public health issues such as a pandemic." https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-medicines-regulator-gives-approval-for-first-uk-covid-19-vaccine And as I understand it the MRNA vacines are new tchnology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRINITY Posted March 6, 2021 Report Share Posted March 6, 2021 (edited) I am a bit of a gambling man myself and would always play the odds. It's quite a simple calculation of the known facts. Covid has killed over 100,000 people in the UK, would I place a bet on the vaccine being even more deadlier than that ? Edited March 6, 2021 by TRINITY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartc44 Posted March 6, 2021 Report Share Posted March 6, 2021 If I was doing the simple calculation of known facts, I would want to know how many died of covid not died within 28 days of a positive test. Surely age and underlying conditions would also be a factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yod dropper Posted March 6, 2021 Report Share Posted March 6, 2021 This low take up and putting others at risk is one the outcomes/ consequences/ advantages (delete according to opinion) of a multi-cultural society. Some of the care home bosses around here are quite frustrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartc44 Posted March 6, 2021 Report Share Posted March 6, 2021 If I choose not to have the vaccine and all those that do want / need it have had it, who are the 'others' that I am putting at risk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 6, 2021 Report Share Posted March 6, 2021 1 hour ago, stuartc44 said: If I choose not to have the vaccine and all those that do want / need it have had it, who are the 'others' that I am putting at risk? Ultimately everyone, and that is because the more of you there are the more likely we will keep living with an underlying level of covid which increases the odds of a mutation occurring that will evade the vaccine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartc44 Posted March 6, 2021 Report Share Posted March 6, 2021 (edited) Unless you believe the virus is manmade, it came from animals, it will always be here, constantly mutating. Edited March 6, 2021 by stuartc44 edit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wb123 Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 Given hepatitis b vaccination is mandatory for certain professions it wouldn’t be new ground to make it compulsory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 (edited) On 05/03/2021 at 20:44, Mr.T said: I won’t be having the vaccine when it is offered to me. I haven’t seen any evidence to prove that there is no long term side effects. It’s only been around since Q3 last year so they don’t know what happens in 12 or 18 months time. That’s why in normal times a vaccine takes years to become available. Guess everyone makes up their own mind but don’t think anyone should be forced to have it regardless of where they work. They have went trough the same trials and approval as other vaccines, also part of the trials are monitoring the vaccine after they have being in large scale use. Quote Phase 4: Will it stay safe down the road? Even after the vaccine is approved and licensed, regulatory agencies stay involved, continuing to monitor production; inspecting manufacturing facilities; and testing vaccines for potency, safety and purity. The FDA also monitors adverse events that may occur related to receiving the vaccine, including through its Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System and Phase 4 clinical trials—optional studies pharmaceutical companies may be required to perform after a vaccine is licensed to continue to monitor safety and effectiveness. I would recommend watching bellow. Panorama, The Race for a Vaccine - BBC One Edited March 11, 2021 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartc44 Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 "They have went trough the same trials and approval as other vaccines" I assume you mean the same first trials not the same full trials, or is this wrong on the government website? "The decision to approve the supply of this vaccine was taken under Regulation 174 of the Human Medicine Regulations 2012, which enables rapid temporary regulatory approvals to address significant public health issues such as a pandemic." https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-medicines-regulator-gives-approval-for-first-uk-covid-19-vaccine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.T Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 16 hours ago, ordnance said: They have went trough the same trials and approval as other vaccines, also part of the trials are monitoring the vaccine after they have being in large scale use. I would recommend watching bellow. Panorama, The Race for a Vaccine - BBC One One other factor in my decision not to have the vaccine is that the vaccine producers requested and have been granted immunity from civil prosecution. So if it is totally safe why did they require this clause in the contract to supply? The article in the Independent said they refused to comment this and would only say it has passed all the required tests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamch Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 presumably most will be on zero hours contracts therefore the solution is simple dont give them any work which should slove the issue. All health workers should be compelled to have the jabs, or no jab no job. I cant see any reason that folk would refuse to be vaccinated to protect the vulnerable who they work with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarsdad Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 51 minutes ago, grahamch said: presumably most will be on zero hours contracts therefore the solution is simple dont give them any work which should slove the issue. All health workers should be compelled to have the jabs, or no jab no job. I cant see any reason that folk would refuse to be vaccinated to protect the vulnerable who they work with. This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartc44 Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 And again, when the vulnerable have had their vaccines what difference does it make if a carer has or hasn't. Can anyone show us any evidence that having the vaccine means I cannot pass the virus onto anyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 Quote One other factor in my decision not to have the vaccine is that the vaccine producers requested and have been granted immunity from civil prosecution. So if it is totally safe why did they require this clause in the contract to supply? The article in the Independent said they refused to comment this and would only say it has passed all the required tests. That's more to do with the government deciding to fast track the vaccine rollout, not the vaccine manufacture's decision. How can you prosecute a manufacture for a decision made by the government. Quote Any decision to fast track unlicensed vaccines would be a decision made nationally and not by individual suppliers. Manufacturers “cannot generally be sued in the civil courts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 People who don't have the vaccine will increase the risk of mutations happening in the future. On 12/03/2021 at 16:22, stuartc44 said: And again, when the vulnerable have had their vaccines what difference does it make if a carer has or hasn't. Can anyone show us any evidence that having the vaccine means I cannot pass the virus onto anyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartc44 Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 None of the vaccines even claim to be 100% effective in stopping you getting the virus, do they not say reducing symptoms? Mutations are therefore inevitable even if everyone has had the vaccine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 16, 2021 Report Share Posted March 16, 2021 17 hours ago, stuartc44 said: None of the vaccines even claim to be 100% effective in stopping you getting the virus, do they not say reducing symptoms? Mutations are therefore inevitable even if everyone has had the vaccine. Nothing in life is 100% but thats no excuse not to be vaccinated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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