Glamorous Usula E.U. Babe

[ditchman]

Ursula Fond 'o' Lyin....................

 

see what i did there  .....christ ....this could go viral....poor woman..

[udderlyoffroad]

14 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

And I'm going to ask again. Where have all the patronising remainiacs gone who told us brexiteers were too uneducated to understand that staying in the EU was what we must do, or else face untold catastrophe 😂😂😂

The EU is behaving exactly the same as it always does.  This drive to centralisation, and the 'project' comes first, very much the EU's SOP.

Only, for a change, the mainstream media are actually reporting on it.

There is nothing new here, hence why the commission are doubling down.  They've done it many times before, why shouldn't it work now?

[Gordon R]

The Brexiteers had one opinion and the Remainers had the opposite view. That is life, with no subject where everyone shares the same view.

Can we cut the Remainers a break? Can we just be grateful that leaving has had, at the very least, a short term massive benefit? I suspect other issues will arise where the benefits of leaving will not be so obvious.

I am still glad we left and hope that the positives keep coming. Time will tell.

[Raja Clavata]

12 hours ago, Gordon R said:

In fairness to the Remainers, there was a difference of opinion, but neither side could have predicted the pandemic. We have done okay, perhaps could have done things a little more quickly, but the EU have gone backwards. It is almost as if they are trying to prove how much the UK leaving was such a good idea.

If they start playing silly **** over vaccine exports, I would be inclined to suggest that any severance agreement be forfeited and the EU fishing quota reduced to zero, until they regain a brain.

A well balanced position. It's 1-0 to us but we should not get complacent. Whilst the article appeals to our collective sense of national pride, it does come across as "worst case scenario" from the EU perspective, only time will tell.

[Vince Green]

56 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

The Brexiteers had one opinion and the Remainers had the opposite view. That is life, with no subject where everyone shares the same view.

Can we cut the Remainers a break? Can we just be grateful that leaving has had, at the very least, a short term massive benefit? I suspect other issues will arise where the benefits of leaving will not be so obvious.

I am still glad we left and hope that the positives keep coming. Time will tell.

Yes we can cut them some slack but lets not forget it was them that resorted to name calling and mud slinging. So a little smugness can now be enjoyed.

The real benefit of brexit, the financial one, is still very much on target to be achieved, but much less visible,

Every time there is a queue of lorries at Dover the BBC seems to delight in sending down a news crew with a tale of gloom and doom for the six oclock news. Never once pointing out that delays like that happened before Brexit too. I don't think the BBC has ever put a positive spin on any Brexit related story

Edited March 18, 2021 by Vince Green

[discobob]

6 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

the BBC seems to delight in sending down a news crew with a tale of gloom and doom for the six oclock news. Never once pointing out that delays like that happened before Brexit too. I don't think the BBC has ever put a positive spin on any Brexit related story

I am sorry - I have to disagree with you there -----actually after hours of extensive research I now find your are bang on target 😆

[Vince Green]

It now emerges that the 5 million doses that have been delayed in coming from India is because the Indian Government has diverted it to home use. The number of cases in India is rising so quickly that they too are in panic mode now

 

The UK's vaccination efforts will be paralysed from next month because the Indian Government is temporarily holding exports, according to the CEO of the Serum Institute of India (SII), Adar Poonawalla, whose company is manufacturing the AstraZeneca vaccine.

 

Edited March 18, 2021 by Vince Green

[Good shot?]

6 hours ago, Vince Green said:

Thats exactly what Hancock did say, that only 5 of the 10 million doses expected from the plant in India have been delivered.

 

The crisis is understood to have been triggered by the late delivery of five million doses of the AstraZeneca jab being manufactured in India. In total, India's Serum Institute was due to send 10 million doses to the UK this month – but just half have arrived, with the five million due at the end of this month now delayed by four weeks. 

Not in the 5 o clock briefing that I watched, he didn't.

[12gauge82]

3 hours ago, Gordon R said:

The Brexiteers had one opinion and the Remainers had the opposite view. That is life, with no subject where everyone shares the same view.

Can we cut the Remainers a break? Can we just be grateful that leaving has had, at the very least, a short term massive benefit? I suspect other issues will arise where the benefits of leaving will not be so obvious.

I am still glad we left and hope that the positives keep coming. Time will tell.

I believe I have cut them some slack, I've no issue with anyone that voted remain, its the ones who for over 4 years accused all brexiteers of being too stupid  and a racist little Englander, so sure were they of their superior knowledge they threw everything and the kitchen sink at us. I just find it funny they've gone very quiet. 

Edited March 18, 2021 by 12gauge82

[Vince Green]

11 minutes ago, Good shot? said:

Not in the 5 o clock briefing that I watched, he didn't.

Yes it now appears the shipment has been blocked by the Indian Government because they want the vaccines for their own use. Things are getting bad in India  

Edited March 18, 2021 by Vince Green

[JohnfromUK]

12 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

Yes it now appears the shipment has been blocked by the Indian Government because they want the vaccines for their own use. Things are getting bad in India  

The problems are also elsewhere.  e.g. 

1. Europe has (contrary to what they would like you to think) actually had quite a lot of the AZ vaccines - but 40% of what they have had have gone 'into store' and not been distributed.
2. The USA has had a quantity of AZ vaccines - not a huge quantity by USA standards, but still quite a lot - and NONE have been used because they have not yet got around to granting a USA approval, so they are in store as well.

The Indian Gov't presumably think that rather than send vaccines into store elsewhere, they can use them in people in India.

[Gordon R]

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The Indian Gov't presumably think that rather than send vaccines into store elsewhere, they can use them in people in India.

That makes sense.

[Vince Green]

5 hours ago, Gordon R said:

That makes sense.

but only to India, although based in India the plant is actually the biggest vaccine producer in the world and completely funded from outside India. So if India are getting funny about the vaccine they have to consider the bigger implications. Its not really their vaccine

Edited March 18, 2021 by Vince Green

[Newbie to this]

26 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

but only to India, although based in India the plant is actually the biggest vaccine producer in the world and completely funded from outside India. So if India are getting funny about the vaccine they have to consider the bigger implications. Its not really their vaccine

Yes, but when they see the EU doing the same thing, and the World turning a blind eye....

Both the EU and India should be under worldwide sanctions, and all vaccine production moved out. But....

Edited March 18, 2021 by Newbie to this

[Gordon R]

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but only to India, 

Imagine the flak the Indian Government would get if they exported. They are in the same position as the EU. They didn't take it seriously enough to order early. Whilst I see why they adopt the position, they appear to have no concept of honouring a contract. 

Shambolic. Perhaps we should stop the overseas aid millions that we send to India. There has never been a better time to stop it.

[Vince Green]

3 hours ago, Gordon R said:

Shambolic. Perhaps we should stop the overseas aid millions that we send to India. There has never been a better time to stop it.

I completely agree with you. I don't get the reason why we give aid to most of the countries that we do

[fern01]

6 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

I completely agree with you. I don't get the reason why we give aid to most of the countries that we do

Aid is the polite word for bribe in the real world

They have staggering poverty but a Space Programme

[TIGHTCHOKE]

7 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

I completely agree with you. I don't get the reason why we give aid to most of the countries that we do

Simply put it is bribery in order to foster good feeling and trade orders.

 

It should NOT be called International Aid, but rather International Influence.

[Vince Green]

She has really done it now

 

 global capital is leaving Europe and coming to Britain

The eye-wateringly large monetary outflows from the eurozone may accelerate into outright flight

AMBROSE EVANS-PRITCHARD18 March 2021 • 10:00am

Ursula von der Leyen has invoked the nuclear option of the Lisbon Treaty. By threatening to activate emergency powers under Article 122 she has told the world that Europe is no longer a safe place for private capital or inward investment.

The clause allows Brussels to seize factories, take direct control over the production process and redirect vaccine flows. It enables war-time occupation of companies.

A regime that behaves like this is liable to impose capital controls without compunction, or block energy flows through the interconnectors, as has been threatened three times already (I keep count). And as we have seen, anything can be politicised, even random stochastic blood clots. Will global pharma ever build a plant again on EU territory after this episode?

“We want to see reciprocity and proportionality in exports,” said Mrs Von der Leyen. Delicious. The EU is currently refusing to reciprocate temporary UK waivers to smooth post-Brexit trade flows or to reciprocate on bare-bond equivalence in financial services.

If these daily antics from Brussels and Berlin continue, the eye-wateringly large capital outflows from the eurozone that have already been occurring may accelerate into something closer to outright capital flight.

HSBC says outflows reached half a trillion euros in the fourth quarter, an annualised pace of 20pc of GDP. It quickened to €250bn (£214bn) in the single month of December. The scale is breathtaking. It happened before the vaccine debacle condemned Europe to an extra quarter of economic recession and social despair.

“Relative to GDP, these outflows were the largest we have seen going back 20 years,” said Paul Mackel, HSBC's currency chief. Hedging contracts have prevented this setting off a disorderly slide in the euro but that does not change the fundamental picture.

Edited March 19, 2021 by Vince Green

[TIGHTCHOKE]

The Fourth Reich?

[Vince Green]

5 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

The Fourth Reich?

More like the Muppet Show

Its hard to get things this wrong if you are trying to

[JohnfromUK]

[ditchman]

we live in interesting times.............

if i have time i will put a picture up of me in times gone by....a time when life was simpler

[Mungler]

It’s going to get interesting. Because we got on the vaccine first the other countries will struggle to catch up as more countries like India will hold back what they make to stop rioting on their own streets. We have enough vaccines to double jab pretty much everyone over 40 or vulnerable and that’s the sweet spot for the virus - I wouldn’t bother giving it to fit under 40’s.

With Europe heading into another lockdown and us coming out (and perhaps a year in front with our economic recovery) the EU will fight back and double down on their unpleasantness - they have really come up short and the loss of face is off the scale.

All the rabid remoaners on face book have fallen silent but still try and rally by calling all Brits gammons and racists and the way they fight back from the gutter with baseless insults belies their anger, frustration and resentment at being proven wrong. Indeed Brexit has been given a demonstrable reason and benefit.

One of the people I follow on Facey has a good writing style and understanding of economics, he is also a rabid remoaner who left the UK, burnt his GB passport, got an Irish passport and now lives in Portugal. He is over 60, has diabetes and smokes those Philip Morris Heets. If he gets Covid his Irish passport and an inadequate Portuguese health system won’t save him and he is very much odds on to die. Will he admit that he would be better off in GB right now where he would with 100% certainty have been vaccinated? No he won’t and chances are he will die on that particular cross.

Bottom line, people are spiteful (EU leaders) and people go mental over being proven wrong (remoaners).

Interesting times indeed. If I was a European citizen right now in lockdown and curfew, I would be on the streets wanting to have a chat with those in charge.

[JohnfromUK]

2 minutes ago, Mungler said:

I wouldn’t bother giving it to fit under 40’s.

The reason I disagree with this is that whilst fit younger people are unlikely to get seriously ill, and will possibly not even know they have it ........ there are two risks;

1. That they will spread it to someone who has been vaccinated - and is vulnerable (for whatever reason, age, health) - where the vaccine hasn't been effective.  This is admittedly a small risk, but not a zero risk.
2. The more cases we get - the more mutations will happen.  Sooner or later, a mutation will emerge that evades the vaccine - and we will need a new vaccine.  This can be done, but is expensive and takes time - and might easily result in all sorts of 'control' measures being reintroduced (rightly or wrongly).

Therefore - I believe that it is highly desirable and in everyone's interests, both health and economic that as many (of all risk levels) people as possible are vaccinated.  When the evasive mutation does come along (as it will), we will have a lower overall level and that should give us more time to roll out a vaccine to suit the new mutation(s).