old man Posted January 25, 2023 Report Share Posted January 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Yellow Bear said: When they can squash the civil service union - It is the civil servants that are not doing what is asked of them. I have a feeling that it's much, much deeper than that? Never mind Rishi boy says he is on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted January 25, 2023 Report Share Posted January 25, 2023 19 minutes ago, old man said: I have a feeling that it's much, much deeper than that? Never mind Rishi boy says he is on it? The job is too big for him. Unortunately he is trying to bail a sinking ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted January 25, 2023 Report Share Posted January 25, 2023 9 minutes ago, oowee said: The job is too big for him. Unortunately he is trying to bail a sinking ship. When he helped to scupper it in the first place..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted January 25, 2023 Report Share Posted January 25, 2023 19 minutes ago, discobob said: When he helped to scupper it in the first place..... Quite. I find it amazing that after he did Boris's legs over attending partys during the lock down, then did Truss he steps in, despite the fact he himself also broke lock down rules and was fined for it himself. Rishi, the PM no one voted for! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted January 25, 2023 Report Share Posted January 25, 2023 1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said: Rishi, the PM no one voted for! Nor wanted by most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rewulf Posted February 7, 2023 Report Share Posted February 7, 2023 I thought this was funny. Note the bit on Frances 'policy on 'illegals' https://www-thesun-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/21296659/people-smuggler-jailed-taking-migrants-out-of-britain/amp/?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#amp_tf=From %1%24s&aoh=16758000190218&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thesun.co.uk%2Fnews%2F21296659%2Fpeople-smuggler-jailed-taking-migrants-out-of-britain%2F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good shot? Posted February 7, 2023 Report Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) Just heard on “Farage” that the French are ( in effect) laying on free buses to ferry immigrants from their camps directly to the beach collecting points. No surprise there then from our “friends” in Europe. Edited February 7, 2023 by Good shot? Added “in effect” for the disbelievers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted February 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, Good shot? said: Just heard on “Farage” that the French are laying on free buses to ferry immigrants from their camps directly to the beach collecting points. No surprise there then from our “friends” in Europe. the weather looks god for them for the next week ...sea state good....................ere' we go agin... as usual all bloody talk............westminster must think we a re stupid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted February 7, 2023 Report Share Posted February 7, 2023 40 minutes ago, Good shot? said: Just heard on “Farage” that the French are laying on free buses to ferry immigrants from their camps directly to the beach collecting points. No surprise there then from our “friends” in Europe. Not exactly correct but don't expect truth from that kind of source... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/13/channel-migrants-taking-free-buses-beach-noses-french-police/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 7, 2023 Report Share Posted February 7, 2023 15 minutes ago, henry d said: Not exactly correct but don't expect truth from that kind of source... Ok, so they aren't specifically 'laying them on' for migrants, what exactly is untrue about the rest of it? The fact that the French don't arrest and detain illegals while they're roaming around France is bad enough, allowing them to gain illegal passage to the UK compounds the fact. They are getting paid millions to stop this, it sounds like they are actually using our money to make it easier, is the final insult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted February 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2023 36 minutes ago, henry d said: Not exactly correct but don't expect truth from that kind of source... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/13/channel-migrants-taking-free-buses-beach-noses-french-police/ just a polite question............"what sources do you trust"....as you rarely agree with anything we say or repeat.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted February 7, 2023 Report Share Posted February 7, 2023 1 hour ago, ditchman said: just a polite question............"what sources do you trust"....as you rarely agree with anything we say or repeat.... Henry won't agree with anything unless it's a suggestion to make it easier for illegal economic migrants to come here. Heaven knows why! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted February 8, 2023 Report Share Posted February 8, 2023 11 hours ago, ditchman said: just a polite question............"what sources do you trust"....as you rarely agree with anything we say or repeat.... It sounded incredible that the French would lay on buses, but the defining part was "(in effect)" so I wondered what he meant and looked for a source. The link is from 13/10/22 so a further question arises, why did Farage say that now? Regarding sources; it is not about who you trust but "reading" widely and gathering information in and sifting through it. Let's have a quick tangent. Another thread about the Beeb and Begum started and lots said they would not watch it, so you have to ask if that's the right way to get a fair view (I've not seen all of it yet but what I have doesn't seem to do her any favours, no spoilers please 😉). If someone puts something up that seems incredible I think we have a duty to either ask for clarification or sources or to seek them out ourselves to see whether it is truly incredible, half truth, or lie. If you read it and just take it as face value you do yourself no favour and I believe that the saying is correct; "An unexamined life is not worth living!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted February 8, 2023 Report Share Posted February 8, 2023 Maybe no need to clarify anything? France does not do anything unless of benefit to France so the don't want to keep them. Begum went as a terrorist breeder and why would commonsense allow her return? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lampwick Posted February 8, 2023 Report Share Posted February 8, 2023 1 hour ago, henry d said: It sounded incredible that the French would lay on buses, but the defining part was "(in effect)" so I wondered what he meant and looked for a source. The link is from 13/10/22 so a further question arises, why did Farage say that now? Regarding sources; it is not about who you trust but "reading" widely and gathering information in and sifting through it. Let's have a quick tangent. Another thread about the Beeb and Begum started and lots said they would not watch it, so you have to ask if that's the right way to get a fair view (I've not seen all of it yet but what I have doesn't seem to do her any favours, no spoilers please 😉). If someone puts something up that seems incredible I think we have a duty to either ask for clarification or sources or to seek them out ourselves to see whether it is truly incredible, half truth, or lie. If you read it and just take it as face value you do yourself no favour and I believe that the saying is correct; "An unexamined life is not worth living!" Whilst I don’t generally agree with your politics (based on assumptions from your posts) I don’t think anyone can argue your last paragraph! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted February 8, 2023 Report Share Posted February 8, 2023 31 minutes ago, old man said: Maybe no need to clarify anything? France does not do anything unless of benefit to France so the don't want to keep them. Begum went as a terrorist breeder and why would commonsense allow her return? I rest my case! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted February 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2023 2 hours ago, henry d said: It sounded incredible that the French would lay on buses, but the defining part was "(in effect)" so I wondered what he meant and looked for a source. The link is from 13/10/22 so a further question arises, why did Farage say that now? Regarding sources; it is not about who you trust but "reading" widely and gathering information in and sifting through it. Let's have a quick tangent. Another thread about the Beeb and Begum started and lots said they would not watch it, so you have to ask if that's the right way to get a fair view (I've not seen all of it yet but what I have doesn't seem to do her any favours, no spoilers please 😉). If someone puts something up that seems incredible I think we have a duty to either ask for clarification or sources or to seek them out ourselves to see whether it is truly incredible, half truth, or lie. If you read it and just take it as face value you do yourself no favour and I believe that the saying is correct; "An unexamined life is not worth living!" thank you for you polite reply to my post... you are not getting off lightly tho'......i still would like to know what souces/periodicles you would trust to believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHE Posted February 8, 2023 Report Share Posted February 8, 2023 2 hours ago, henry d said: It sounded incredible that the French would lay on buses, but the defining part was "(in effect)" so I wondered what he meant and looked for a source. The link is from 13/10/22 so a further question arises, why did Farage say that now? Regarding sources; it is not about who you trust but "reading" widely and gathering information in and sifting through it. Let's have a quick tangent. Another thread about the Beeb and Begum started and lots said they would not watch it, so you have to ask if that's the right way to get a fair view (I've not seen all of it yet but what I have doesn't seem to do her any favours, no spoilers please 😉). If someone puts something up that seems incredible I think we have a duty to either ask for clarification or sources or to seek them out ourselves to see whether it is truly incredible, half truth, or lie. If you read it and just take it as face value you do yourself no favour and I believe that the saying is correct; "An unexamined life is not worth living!" Good post! I don't think that any of us can trust any source completely, mainly because all of us have our own perspectives and can allow those perspectives to colour the information that we provide to others, so we should all try to verify all sources of information. But, some sources of information or misinformation are nearly always untrustworthy, and personally I find it difficult to accept ANYTHING that Nigel Farage, Piers Moron or The Gun Control Network say at face value - they all have history . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted February 8, 2023 Report Share Posted February 8, 2023 36 minutes ago, ditchman said: thank you for you polite reply to my post... you are not getting off lightly tho'......i still would like to know what souces/periodicles you would trust to believe That's what I was saying, you need to look at several to get an idea of what is actually going on. In the case above I don't go with farage as there is a bias or direction so I looked myself and there are buses that are free in that area and rather than take the line of the op and blaming the EU/France, I think that it is just people using what is freely available. If there is evidence of the French authorities rounding up people from the camp and putting them into the buses then that is a different matter and I will change my opinion but that seems unlikely. There is bias all around to a greater or lesser extent so going for single sources is just allowing yourself to confirm that bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 8, 2023 Report Share Posted February 8, 2023 26 minutes ago, henry d said: There is bias all around to a greater or lesser extent so going for single sources is just allowing yourself to confirm that bias. I take it youre completely unbiased then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted February 8, 2023 Report Share Posted February 8, 2023 7 hours ago, henry d said: That's what I was saying, you need to look at several to get an idea of what is actually going on. In the case above I don't go with farage as there is a bias or direction so I looked myself and there are buses that are free in that area and rather than take the line of the op and blaming the EU/France, I think that it is just people using what is freely available. If there is evidence of the French authorities rounding up people from the camp and putting them into the buses then that is a different matter and I will change my opinion but that seems unlikely. There is bias all around to a greater or lesser extent so going for single sources is just allowing yourself to confirm that bias. I don't see the difference, if illegal immigrants are routinely using the free buses as a route to make their way here, the french police should very quickly have taken action to prevent them doing so, the fact they haven't is virtually no different to laying them on for the illegals to do so in the first place. Perhaps you should get some news from a source other than the Guardian? 6 hours ago, Rewulf said: I take it youre completely unbiased then ? This 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted February 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2023 i see suella Braverman aint done much..................after all the hype sayin' she was the one for the job..............same old same old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted February 8, 2023 Report Share Posted February 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, ditchman said: i see suella Braverman aint done much..................after all the hype sayin' she was the one for the job..............same old same old Don't forget she is having to fight the civil servants on top of everything else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 8, 2023 Report Share Posted February 8, 2023 (edited) On 07/02/2023 at 20:09, Good shot? said: Just heard on “Farage” that the French are ( in effect) laying on free buses to ferry immigrants from their camps directly to the beach collecting points. No surprise there then from our “friends” in Europe. It has been said that the Belgians have done that in the past in a different way. Picking up refugees at their southern borders and running them up to the northern coast so they don't shoplift or beg /sleep rough etc on the streets of Belgium as they pass through. That way the population of Belgium don't see it as a problem. From their point of view its probably a good thing to do and for good reason Edited February 9, 2023 by Vince Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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