Channel Migrants

[Acerforestry]

17 hours ago, Rewulf said:

Division. Destabilisation of society. Economic catastrophe. Civil unrest.

Then they can come and save us from ourselves...

There will have to be concessions of course for this 'assistance' , loss of freedoms, a police state, an end to democratic process....Totalitarianism.

Far fetched ? Its already happening, piece by piece falling into place, eventually we will beg for the new order.

Thanks Rewulf, went out on a limb a bit there and thought i might be on my own. Covid backwards is divoc, google what that means in Hebrew and its an odd coincidence that it means to divide and cause chaos

[Acerforestry]

Also, since Holland and the farms there were mentioned we will continue to see the war with Russia / Ukraine continue on and on since they cannot create global food and energy instability without strife in these countries - think about it, Russia supplies a lot of gas and and Ukraine a fair chunk of the world's grain, and Holland is a close runner up in the grain supply stakes. Hence this nonsense in the Netherlands where the government is effectively telling farmers to stop farming, producing food. Create an issue with all 3 countries and hey presto, you have a big problem

[henry d]

2 hours ago, Acerforestry said:

Thanks Rewulf, went out on a limb a bit there and thought i might be on my own. Covid backwards is divoc, google what that means in Hebrew and its an odd coincidence that it means to divide and cause chaos

You are not on You own, there are a good few conspiracy theorists here and just accept things they have seen on social media as fact. If you think that by using an abbreviation of corona virus disease 2019, then reversing it, and then mis-using dibbuk (soul, spirit etc) to get an "odd coincidence" then you might need this...

Don't worry, there's plenty more here.

BTW, is that the plan above?

Edited October 12, 2022 by henry d

[12gauge82]

11 hours ago, henry d said:

You are not on You own, there are a good few conspiracy theorists here and just accept things they have seen on social media as fact. If you think that by using an abbreviation of corona virus disease 2019, then reversing it, and then mis-using dibbuk (soul, spirit etc) to get an "odd coincidence" then you might need this...

Don't worry, there's plenty more here.

BTW, is that the plan above?

I think this is just diverting the conversation. 

Something needs to be done about the uncontrollable migration of economic migrants, any ideas, or are you just going to hand out tin foil? 

[Cranfield]

13 hours ago, Acerforestry said:

Thanks Rewulf, went out on a limb a bit there and thought i might be on my own. Covid backwards is divoc, google what that means in Hebrew and its an odd coincidence that it means to divide and cause chaos

I Googled "divoc" and it does not mean "to divide and cause chaos", I suggest you go back and re-Google.

[Acerforestry]

https://fakeologist.com/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=428

This suggests divide/ tear apart, I reckon? Maybe you are looking elsewhere. Maybe I felt the need to add chaos personally since that's what the clowns responsible for this mess have done. You may disagree, of course

[henry d]

2 hours ago, Acerforestry said:

https://fakeologist.com/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=428

This suggests divide/ tear apart, I reckon? Maybe you are looking elsewhere. Maybe I felt the need to add chaos personally since that's what the clowns responsible for this mess have done. You may disagree, of course

That is bat 💩 crazy, why is someone mixing Greek, Latin and Hebrew?

Consider just the Hebrew; why change the phonetics of "b" for "v"? If you insist on spirit in Hebrew it is "b" so covid becomes cobid so it doesn't work as it is grammatically and semantically incorrect. What we have as the letter "C" doesn't exist in Hebrew, it is closer to a "k" or "Q" so again we have a problem as it now becomes Kobid or Qobid. Pronouncing it is problematic as spirit would be dib-buk, so kob-bid, Qob-bid and nothing like covid.

Now I have to say that I read some Hebrew at college and am reading a little more now, but I am not fluent by any means, nor will I ever be. If you really want me to I can ask my Old Testament lecturer who is also a Hebrew lecturer to add to and correct the above?

[Vince Green]

12 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

I think this is just diverting the conversation. 

Something needs to be done about the uncontrollable migration of economic migrants, any ideas, or are you just going to hand out tin foil? 

The pressure behind mass migration is largely human population growth. 

That's a tricky one to address  because there is no easy solution 

[JohnfromUK]

3 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

The pressure behind mass migration is largely human population growth. 

That's a tricky one to address  because there is no easy solution 

/\  This - the underlying cause of many of the world's problems, and it is going to get worse.  https://ourworldindata.org/future-population-growth

Despite the rate of growth declining and some countries actually having population falling, there is still a predicted growth of over 25% by 2100.

If you look at this list https://www.ined.fr/en/everything_about_population/data/world-projections/projections-by-countries/ you will see that many countries are set to reduce populations by 2100 (e.g India, China, Japan, Brazil) but others have enormous increases (e.g. Nigeria, Congo, Egypt), so there is great pressure to migrate.

[Vince Green]

2 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

/\  This - the underlying cause of many of the world's problems, and it is going to get worse.  https://ourworldindata.org/future-population-growth

Despite the rate of growth declining and some countries actually having population falling, there is still a predicted growth of over 25% by 2100.

If you look at this list https://www.ined.fr/en/everything_about_population/data/world-projections/projections-by-countries/ you will see that many countries are set to reduce populations by 2100 (e.g India, China, Japan, Brazil) but others have enormous increases (e.g. Nigeria, Congo, Egypt), so there is great pressure to tmigrate.

Yes if you were born in a poor country with no prospects what would you do?

When your father dies in most of these countries your oldest brother inherits what little land and possessions he may have had.

so you and your other brothers are pushed out to go and fend for yourselves.

It's not only Africa , it happens a lot in Eastern Europe too in the poorer rural areas

[Cranfield]

Clearly, we are not the only country with this problem, elections elsewhere with result swinging toward right wing parties, are evidence that other populations are getting fed up with it.
We have friends in France living just north of Paris and they say there has always been a small enclave in the city of immigrants, but now it has spread tremendously, with lots of no go areas, increases in daylight street crime, etc.
 

 

[Penelope]

2 hours ago, Vince Green said:

The pressure behind mass migration is largely human population growth. 

That's a tricky one to address  because there is no easy solution 

The WEF are on it 👍

[12gauge82]

6 hours ago, Vince Green said:

The pressure behind mass migration is largely human population growth. 

That's a tricky one to address  because there is no easy solution 

Absolutely and I don't blame the migrants themselves for coming, I blame our government for allowing it.

I can certainly assure you mass migration problems wont be solved by allowing free migration into Western countries. 

[12gauge82]

On the radio today, hundreds of missing child migrants, some of which may have been forced into all sorts of abhorrent criminality due to the government having to house them in hotels due to running out of suitable accommodation and leaving them unprotected. 

I hope the idiots supporting all this uncontrollable but particularly economic migration are proud of themselves 😡

[ditchman]

over a 1000 yesterday .....just sayin like

 

go suella go girl.......................

 

STOP PRESS ..have just heard that petrol bombs have been thrown at a migrant reception centre in dover..............

i told you that would start happening a couple of years ago ...when some reception centres in germany were firebombed......

its going to get worse

Edited October 30, 2022 by ditchman

[Boybrit]

He must have been mentally unstable. Have you seen the price of petrol now?

We went through Dover on Friday with no issues, it was a perfect sunny day but we did not see any dinghy's during the crossing.

[Scully]

So what do we ban as a result? Petrol? Fireworks? Gingham shirts? Fast cars and short ropes? Or so called refugees? 

[oowee]

On 13/10/2022 at 08:27, Vince Green said:

The pressure behind mass migration is largely human population growth. 

That's a tricky one to address  because there is no easy solution 

I would say its the visibility of inequality. If you are poor its easier than ever to see the rich and look for a share.

[Rewulf]

1 hour ago, oowee said:

I would say its the visibility of inequality. If you are poor its easier than ever to see the rich and look for a share.

That may well be a factor, but how does having 5 kids you cant afford to feed, fix that ?
The other part is culture and mentality, we (used to ) live in a culture where , if you want to get ahead , better yourself, you need to educate, get a skill , and work for your dreams.
Some of these people, seem to think , that just getting here , guarantees them those riches  they couldnt imagine, and we are doing very little to prevent them thinking this way.
If you buy into the socialist dream of 'equalising' society , and by extension , the World , where everyone has everything they want and need, whether you work for it or not, it certainly wont be long before that bubble will burst spectacularly over your head.

Uncontrolled immigration, legal or illegal, will do nothing more than drag everyone down to the lowest common denominator, socialism,  I call communism lite, that drives this ideal, has been unsuccessful in every single application worldwide.
Human nature , as it is , does not work well with the concept.
Heres an example why.

https://medium.com/age-of-awareness/about-that-teacher-who-failed-their-whole-class-14a704cb76d8

[oowee]

47 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

That may well be a factor, but how does having 5 kids you cant afford to feed, fix that ?
The other part is culture and mentality, we (used to ) live in a culture where , if you want to get ahead , better yourself, you need to educate, get a skill , and work for your dreams.
Some of these people, seem to think , that just getting here , guarantees them those riches  they couldnt imagine, and we are doing very little to prevent them thinking this way.
If you buy into the socialist dream of 'equalising' society , and by extension , the World , where everyone has everything they want and need, whether you work for it or not, it certainly wont be long before that bubble will burst spectacularly over your head.

Uncontrolled immigration, legal or illegal, will do nothing more than drag everyone down to the lowest common denominator, socialism,  I call communism lite, that drives this ideal, has been unsuccessful in every single application worldwide.
Human nature , as it is , does not work well with the concept.
Heres an example why.

https://medium.com/age-of-awareness/about-that-teacher-who-failed-their-whole-class-14a704cb76d8

No idea why you are asking me about someone with 5 kids fixing anything. 

Socialism and capitalism like authoritarian power structures are doomed to failure it is simply a matter of time. Only a social democracy where the majority have a fair share and world resources can be conserved can ultimately be sustainable.

 

 

 

[udderlyoffroad]

46 minutes ago, oowee said:

Only a social democracy where the majority have a fair share and world resources

Where and when in human history has that ever worked?

A variant thereof just about scrapes a pass at working in the Scandinavian countries, traditionally because they have a very low population density and can thus manage their natural resources.  Forget it in the UK.

It's often forgotten, for instance, that the reason Norway could have a 'sovereign wealth fund' to take advantage of their oil & gas reserves, is that the geology of the country allowed them to take care of their power needs using hydro, including heating.  Thus they were able to sell the gas and not use it themselves, unlike say the UK.

[oowee]

3 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said:

Where and when in human history has that ever worked?

A variant thereof just about scrapes a pass at working in the Scandinavian countries, traditionally because they have a very low population density and can thus manage their natural resources.  Forget it in the UK.

It's often forgotten, for instance, that the reason Norway could have a 'sovereign wealth fund' to take advantage of their oil & gas reserves, is that the geology of the country allowed them to take care of their power needs using hydro, including heating.  Thus they were able to sell the gas and not use it themselves, unlike say the UK.

Which is why we continue to decline and will be surpassed by the new nations until we fight over the last resources. 

[udderlyoffroad]

5 minutes ago, oowee said:

Which is why we continue to decline and will be surpassed by the new nations until we fight over the last resources. 

Ok but that doesn't answer my question, which is can you point to a social democracy model that works?

I do wonder, however, if following this winters' projected rolling black outs, we might finally have a grown up discussion in this country about long term energy policy.  Very much a silver lining/cloud scenario, granted.

 

[Scully]

I’m still a tad confused; the reporter, whilst reporting on the Molotov cocktail incident, thought it worthy of mention that ‘some’ of the migrants in the place were fleeing war, which begs the question ( again) which country is France at war with? 

[Rewulf]

2 hours ago, oowee said:

No idea why you are asking me about someone with 5 kids fixing anything. 

4 hours ago, oowee said:

I would say its the visibility of inequality. If you are poor its easier than ever to see the rich and look for a share.

The people that live in the countries that see the 'inequality' , look not to the idea of working to better their situation, but instead knock out 5+ kids from their subjugated women, then watch them suffer and often die , when they cant feed them.
Is that better ?
All these doctors , engineers and scientists that rock up in dinghies they have somehow managed to pay £1000s for , Im sure they will be going straight on to the high rate of taxation with all these skills , that didnt seem to get them very far in their own country ?
Or are they going straight in for the asylum claim , then the excellent and generous British social system, that had absolutely nothing to do with their decision to come here in the first instance ? 

 

2 hours ago, oowee said:

Socialism and capitalism like authoritarian power structures are doomed to failure it is simply a matter of time. Only a social democracy where the majority have a fair share and world resources can be conserved can ultimately be sustainable.

We already have that system, everyone can get an education, skills and a *gasp* JOB , and work towards getting their 'fair share'
Its been proven conclusively that just giving people who dont work , money for nothing, does not make them want them to better themselves, yet in fear of losing votes , we continue to do it , its madness.

 

1 hour ago, oowee said:

Which is why we continue to decline and will be surpassed by the new nations until we fight over the last resources. 

And the end result is exactly that, a basket case economy, with everyone suffering , no matter how hard you work.
Its already happening.

 

1 hour ago, udderlyoffroad said:

It's often forgotten, for instance, that the reason Norway could have a 'sovereign wealth fund' to take advantage of their oil & gas reserves, is that the geology of the country allowed them to take care of their power needs using hydro, including heating.  Thus they were able to sell the gas and not use it themselves, unlike say the UK.

Sweden and Norway will reap the rewards of their social 'progressive' policies in a about a generations time.
Their small aging populace are rapidly being updated to ghetto immigrants , who dont work, dont integrate, and have turned city suburbs into gang ruled no go zones.