Northern Ireland vote on Fox hunting with hounds

[JDog]

5 minutes ago, Rob85 said:

Ever put a post up and regret doing it when you see people at each others throats? Sometimes I look and think "christ look what I've started"

I don’t regret putting that post up as I believe it to be true.

[wymberley]

3 hours ago, JDog said:

There seems to be more Antis on this forum than ever.

Point taken, although I think it's an illusion. The dramatically reduced post rate would suggest that the number of sportsmen is on the way down giving that impression.

[Rob85]

40 minutes ago, JDog said:

I don’t regret putting that post up as I believe it to be true.

I think you misunderstood me there.... I was hinting that I kinda regret posting my topic when I see how people get at each others throats over the subject of hunting with hounds. My main point on posting the topic is that the legislation that Mr Blair was aiming for would have been based solely on emotions and very shoddy and far reaching in its consequences, intended or otherwise. In much the same way WJ did with the general licences debacle that was nothing to do with licensing and more a pop at shooters. 

Quick edit to say your post re antis certainly seems to have merit.

Edited December 13, 2021 by Rob85

[London Best]

4 hours ago, JDog said:

There seems to be more Antis on this forum than ever.

Too many townies taking up shooting as a hobby, instead of country folk doing it as a way of life.

[Gerry78]

25 minutes ago, London Best said:

Too many townies taking up shooting as a hobby, instead of country folk doing it as a way of life.

To be honest doesn’t matter where you come from I’m from the inner city and have been hunting,fishing since no age always respectful of game and the way of the country side and country people Regarding this original post “Hunting foxes 🦊 with hounds “it was always gonna cause division on this forum which is not a bad thing because it’s a open forum for hunting peoples views Mine and Yours LB 👍👍

[12gauge82]

Some people on here need to pull their head out of the sand. 

I've lived in the country and shot my entire life and I've judged hunts with my own two eyes. What I've seen of them, they go about thinking they can do what they want, upsetting country folk and farmers alike, I'm not saying that's all of them, but enough to be a problem. 

[captainhastings]

23 hours ago, Rim Fire said:

👍 This is spot on i ran a few hounds and my mate ran the same we was a shooting pack the hairs on the back of your neck would stand up when in full cry any sport that involves live quarry is cruel to a point even trapping but you do the very best to make that animal suffer no more that its  got to. just because you don't like it doesn't mean  others haven't go to 

Captainhastings i am jealous of the Bass you release as i have just got into lure fishing had plenty on baits but struggling on lures roll on the summer 

It was a good season but I only use bait my self 

[CharlieT]

22 hours ago, London Best said:

Too many townies taking up shooting as a hobby, instead of country folk doing it as a way of life.

 

On 13/12/2021 at 07:46, JDog said:

There seems to be more Antis on this forum than ever.

Sentiments I've held for some while, together with the socialist view that only those with deep pockets dress in tweed and red coats.

[clangerman]

59 minutes ago, CharlieT said:

 

Sentiments I've held for some while, together with the socialist view that only those with deep pockets dress in tweed and red coats.

the prob with making claims of anti is when you need the same peoples support they now jog you on 

[Fellside]

5 hours ago, CharlieT said:

 

Sentiments I've held for some while, together with the socialist view that only those with deep pockets dress in tweed and red coats.

I couldn’t agree less. A tweed jacket costs a couple of hundred quid and the vast majority of pheasant shooting is via membership of a DIY syndicate these days. Therefore most people who dress, and shoot, in tweed, are working men (and women).

Your presumption of a ‘Downton Abbey’ stereotype - shooting pheasants and abusing peasants - is outmoded to say the least. However, I appreciate that it suits the agenda of some to perpetuate this type of imagery. That’s not to say the stereotype doesn’t exist, but it is very much a minority factor in 2021. 

[12gauge82]

5 hours ago, clangerman said:

the prob with making claims of anti is when you need the same peoples support they now jog you on 

+1

[yeet]

On 12/12/2021 at 22:16, captainhastings said:

Why is it stupid ? No more stupid than blowing a raised pheasant out of the sky that has just been flushed over your head or sat on the bank for hours to catch a fish. None of which are stupid and all are great fun and long may they continue 

It is stupid because the claim that it does any good for the countryside (yeah in a kind of in an inefficient way, 40 people on horse to catch what, maybe 3 foxes) is vastly overshadowed by the fact that when said fox is caught by the hounds it suffers an awful death, a bullet is fine, but being torn apart not fine. 

[London Best]

4 minutes ago, yeet said:

It is stupid because the claim that it does any good for the countryside (yeah in a kind of in an inefficient way, 40 people on horse to catch what, maybe 3 foxes) is vastly overshadowed by the fact that when said fox is caught by the hounds it suffers an awful death, a bullet is fine, but being torn apart not fine. 

If you had ever actually seen a fox caught by hounds you might realise just how quick a death it is.

[clangerman]

7 minutes ago, London Best said:

If you had ever actually seen a fox caught by hounds you might realise just how quick a death it is.

seen fox’s caught many times must be one of the most disgusting sickening deaths possible one comes to memory of a fox trying to make of after lost grip by hounds minus a FRONT LEG! 

[captainhastings]

The majority of time a fox is caught by dogs it does not last long. Yes there will be times when it goes wrong and yes the fox will suffer. But no different than a pheasant getting bits blown off or a goose or what ever then coasting off in the distance. Think what happens in slaughter houses day in day out I am sure plenty of things go wrong there. We all strive to avoid it but it happens and that is life. Fox hunting is not about fox control it is about sport and a day out and nothing wrong with that. Run out a snare line and you will catch more foxes than a pack ever will. But oh wait winge winge thats cruel as well. The country has gone soft and that is why one day there will be no field sports 

Just to add I mean no offence or disrespect to any one just my take on it. I have pretty much done it all and I love fieldsports and country life and it is so annoying to see it being taken away

Edited December 14, 2021 by captainhastings

[clangerman]

11 minutes ago, captainhastings said:

The majority of time a fox is caught by dogs it does not last long. Yes there will be times when it goes wrong and yes the fox will suffer. But no different than a pheasant getting bits blown off or a goose or what ever then coasting off in the distance. Think what happens in slaughter houses day in day out I am sure plenty of things go wrong there. We all strive to avoid it but it happens and that is life. Fox hunting is not about fox control it is about sport and a day out and nothing wrong with that. Run out a snare line and you will catch more foxes than a pack ever will. But oh wait winge winge thats cruel as well. The country has gone soft and that is why one day there will be no field sports 

Just to add I mean no offence or disrespect to any one just my take on it. I have pretty much done it all and I love fieldsports and country life and it is so annoying to see it being taken away

none taken by anyone you just asked a question but still not buying excuses our bread is buttered with the public not supporting their wishes might as well rip our tickets up now 

[yeet]

1 hour ago, London Best said:

If you had ever actually seen a fox caught by hounds you might realise just how quick a death it is.

Unfortunately I've seen first hand the awful death they suffer. If you want to get rid of foxes just shoot them.

 

34 minutes ago, captainhastings said:

The majority of time a fox is caught by dogs it does not last long. Yes there will be times when it goes wrong and yes the fox will suffer. But no different than a pheasant getting bits blown off or a goose or what ever then coasting off in the distance. Think what happens in slaughter houses day in day out I am sure plenty of things go wrong there. We all strive to avoid it but it happens and that is life. Fox hunting is not about fox control it is about sport and a day out and nothing wrong with that. Run out a snare line and you will catch more foxes than a pack ever will. But oh wait winge winge thats cruel as well. The country has gone soft and that is why one day there will be no field sports 

Just to add I mean no offence or disrespect to any one just my take on it. I have pretty much done it all and I love fieldsports and country life and it is so annoying to see it being taken away

If by "gone soft" you mean not wanting animals to die in purposely atrocious ways then yes.

[Fellside]

3 minutes ago, clangerman said:

none taken by anyone you just asked a question but still not buying excuses our bread is buttered with the public not supporting their wishes might as well rip our tickets up now 

It’s easy to assume ‘the public’ are against shooting, but this is an impression created by the antis. In reality most of the gen’ public don’t give a damn - and have much more important priorities. 

[Gerry78]

I’ve been following this post closely as I live in NI and I’ve posted on this that I don’t agree with fox hunting with hounds my reason being is I pursue fieldsports for the sporting purpose of me against nature First Wildfowling try to get Wild Migrant Ducks on There flight lines reading tides weather etc if I get a duck for the table we’ll and good Second foxing with a centerfire  rifle to protect a farms lamp population that’s me out on my Own at dusk with a lamp The fox has all the advantages regarding hearing sight smell at night if I know I’m getting a safe clean shot chest/head the fox dies instantly So how hunting with a pack of large hounds hunting 1 fox with people riding behind them on horses Is sporting at all to me the fox has no chance If you think the public thinks that’s sporting I’d have to disagree 

[clangerman]

14 minutes ago, Fellside said:

It’s easy to assume ‘the public’ are against shooting, but this is an impression created by the antis. In reality most of the gen’ public don’t give a damn - and have much more important priorities. 

if the public don’t give a damn that makes those spouting shooting is next liars truth of the matter is that rubbish comes from hunting and game shooting who don’t really support them they are just tied to them so have to spout their rubbish not that it fools anyone day of the police wanting to see social media is here posting support for something ILLEGAL is going to end with people seeing their tickets removed but don’t take my word for it keep posting 

[Gerry78]

32 minutes ago, clangerman said:

if the public don’t give a damn that makes those spouting shooting is next liars truth of the matter is that rubbish comes from hunting and game shooting who don’t really support them they are just tied to them so have to spout their rubbish not that it fools anyone day of the police wanting to see social media is here posting support for something ILLEGAL is going to end with people seeing their tickets removed but don’t take my word for it keep posting 

I don’t really get your point I’m sorry this is a open hunting forum for hunters VIEWS And fox hunting with hounds in NI Isn’t illegal that’s what the original post was about a bill in stormont assembly being rejected 

[12gauge82]

Hunting with hounds has had its day and belongs in the past, dress it up however you want but the public (not just raving antis) are absolutely against it. Despite what people say that's not the case with shooting. 

[captainhastings]

I think it is right a large group of the public don't care one way or the other. But it seems to make it easier for the few that are against to keep chipping away. I hope we all get to do our thing what ever that may be for a long long time to come and as do our grandkids and theirs but in reality I think what will be left in a hundred years will not be much. That is why we should stand together fox hunting or not. The more layers we have the better 

Edited December 15, 2021 by captainhastings

[clangerman]

well call me and the public picky but not in favour of anything that rips a animal apart then smears it’s blood on the face of small children and celebrates there’s a word for that sort of behaviour 

[Fellside]

10 hours ago, clangerman said:

if the public don’t give a damn that makes those spouting shooting is next liars truth of the matter is that rubbish comes from hunting and game shooting who don’t really support them they are just tied to them so have to spout their rubbish not that it fools anyone day of the police wanting to see social media is here posting support for something ILLEGAL is going to end with people seeing their tickets removed but don’t take my word for it keep posting 

With respect Clangerman, I think you’ve picked up the wrong end of the stick here. I mean that in the least offensive way possible. Shooting would be next in line for the radical extremists which are very certainly in the minority and not from the general public. It is not Mr and Mrs Jo public who would mobilise against us. They don’t really care in general. I talk to plenty of them as I’m very open about my pursuits - and very rarely do they have an opinion one way or the other. If they ever do - it’s often surprisingly positive.

If the canon fire of the antis wasn’t being absorbed by fox hunting, be in no doubt we would be targeted next.