Mungler Posted March 9, 2022 Report Share Posted March 9, 2022 I gave a lift to 2 clients yesterday - both are sticking orders in for the Jag EV. I should be on commission 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted March 9, 2022 Report Share Posted March 9, 2022 Day ahead electricity prices are currently holding about £200\mwh, which translates to 20p\kwh, assuming normal profit margins, this translates to 30p per kWh from next October for domestic electricity, charge rates at third party chargers will be north of 45p per kWh. For 75kwh battery with a range 260 miles (3.5 miles per kWh), domestic charging at 30p\kwh will give a per mile rate of 8.6p per mile for fuel. A similar diesel getting 70mpg and costing £1.75 a litre cost 11.4p per mile for fuel. Third party charging at 45p\kwh will give a rate of 12.9p per mile. Whilst sourcing an electric car through a business remains an inexpensive option due to tax differences, fuel costs are changing and electricity will be on par with a diesel for the common man, and coupled with higher initial capital costs will make EV's impractical for a lot of people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted March 9, 2022 Report Share Posted March 9, 2022 13 minutes ago, Stonepark said: Day ahead electricity prices are currently holding about £200\mwh, which translates to 20p\kwh, assuming normal profit margins, this translates to 30p per kWh from next October for domestic electricity, charge rates at third party chargers will be north of 45p per kWh. For 75kwh battery with a range 260 miles (3.5 miles per kWh), domestic charging at 30p\kwh will give a per mile rate of 8.6p per mile for fuel. A similar diesel getting 70mpg and costing £1.75 a litre cost 11.4p per mile for fuel. Third party charging at 45p\kwh will give a rate of 12.9p per mile. Whilst sourcing an electric car through a business remains an inexpensive option due to tax differences, fuel costs are changing and electricity will be on par with a diesel for the common man, and coupled with higher initial capital costs will make EV's impractical for a lot of people. Energy prices are only going one way. I’m going down the solar and battery route. The last time I did the break even calc it was over a decade off - not now. I’d also be intrigued to know what the feedback tariff will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted March 9, 2022 Report Share Posted March 9, 2022 3 hours ago, Mungler said: Energy prices are only going one way. I’m going down the solar and battery route. The last time I did the break even calc it was over a decade off - not now. I’d also be intrigued to know what the feedback tariff will be. Feed in Tariff has been replaced by the Smart Export Guarantee. Energy Saving Trust have some good example of costs and pay backs which need updated. Basically the SEG prevents a negative price for exports but insists on a smart meter being fitted and equipment being installed by a 'certified installer. Unless rates have been updated (I suspect not) the SEG still allows electricity companies to take the ..... https://solarenergyuk.org/resource/smart-export-guarantee/?cn-reloaded=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted March 10, 2022 Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 6 hours ago, Stonepark said: Feed in Tariff has been replaced by the Smart Export Guarantee. Energy Saving Trust have some good example of costs and pay backs which need updated. Basically the SEG prevents a negative price for exports but insists on a smart meter being fitted and equipment being installed by a 'certified installer. Unless rates have been updated (I suspect not) the SEG still allows electricity companies to take the ..... https://solarenergyuk.org/resource/smart-export-guarantee/?cn-reloaded=1 If it ends up that we’re all going to be paying not less than 40p a KWh in the not too distant future, what goes back to the grid has got to have a value greater than that historically on offer. I think the battery route makes the most sense with a smart meter and a tariff which in old money I would call economy 7. I don’t see energy prices stabilising for a decade - we did it to ourselves with this green nonsense. Don’t get me wrong, it’s good to be green but not when it wrecks your economy and our country is but a ‘drop in the bucket’ polluter globally. If anyone has any better ideas than solar,l right now, I’m all ears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliedog Posted March 10, 2022 Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 I would feel happier with a hybrid at present Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted March 10, 2022 Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 9 hours ago, Mungler said: If anyone has any better ideas than solar,l right now, I’m all ears. This https://newatlas.com/energy/quaise-deep-geothermal-drilling-questions/?fbclid=IwAR0xF_1lxPYHUHEF2t_2VAWP4nC8NEARlSuSastDxGX1tPgGnBT35fTfeGo looked interesting ........ but how true or viable it is I have no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted May 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2022 https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1614242/London-bus-explosion-electric-bus-battery-pack-fire-latest-update Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted May 23, 2022 Report Share Posted May 23, 2022 On 22/05/2022 at 16:09, Weihrauch17 said: https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1614242/London-bus-explosion-electric-bus-battery-pack-fire-latest-update Hahhahahah you really should look harder beyond the ‘knock the EV’ narrative. The fire destroyed 4 diesel buses and 2 “hybrid” buses (no EV vehicles) and the cause of the fire undetermined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted May 23, 2022 Report Share Posted May 23, 2022 Personally, I think ALL buses should be exploded and burned. The most obnoxious form of transport ever devised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet11-87 Posted May 23, 2022 Report Share Posted May 23, 2022 this thread is the PW forum in a nutshell lmao, arguing the merit of something based on extremes and hypotheticals. if 1 charge got 1000 mile and could tow 15 tonne someone would demand theyre usless becasue they might need to drive 1010 mile and tow 16 tonne. somone will be along to blame it all on basc shortly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted May 24, 2022 Report Share Posted May 24, 2022 6 hours ago, Sweet11-87 said: this thread is the PW forum in a nutshell lmao, arguing the merit of something based on extremes and hypotheticals. if 1 charge got 1000 mile and could tow 15 tonne someone would demand theyre usless becasue they might need to drive 1010 mile and tow 16 tonne. somone will be along to blame it all on basc shortly Very good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted May 24, 2022 Report Share Posted May 24, 2022 6 hours ago, Sweet11-87 said: this thread is the PW forum in a nutshell lmao, arguing the merit of something based on extremes and hypotheticals. if 1 charge got 1000 mile and could tow 15 tonne someone would demand theyre usless becasue they might need to drive 1010 mile and tow 16 tonne. somone will be along to blame it all on basc shortly And that you need more choke 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted May 24, 2022 Report Share Posted May 24, 2022 8 hours ago, Sweet11-87 said: this thread is the PW forum in a nutshell lmao, arguing the merit of something based on extremes and hypotheticals. if 1 charge got 1000 mile and could tow 15 tonne someone would demand theyre usless becasue they might need to drive 1010 mile and tow 16 tonne. somone will be along to blame it all on basc shortly Hahahha that is spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellors Posted May 24, 2022 Report Share Posted May 24, 2022 8 hours ago, Sweet11-87 said: this thread is the PW forum in a nutshell lmao, arguing the merit of something based on extremes and hypotheticals. if 1 charge got 1000 mile and could tow 15 tonne someone would demand theyre usless becasue they might need to drive 1010 mile and tow 16 tonne. somone will be along to blame it all on basc shortly "someone will be along to blame it all on basc shortly" . I doubt there worried a free motor electric or other they won't care. They only post on here to see what response they get. They never interact with what they post anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted May 24, 2022 Report Share Posted May 24, 2022 2 hours ago, WalkedUp said: And that you need more choke 🤣 And a recoil pad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51/50 Posted May 24, 2022 Report Share Posted May 24, 2022 I have a friend who's been in the fire service in a large region in England for many years,he has told me that they are now regulary called out to EV fires & that they are an absolute nightmare to extinguish,he recommends to never own one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted May 24, 2022 Report Share Posted May 24, 2022 1 hour ago, 51/50 said: they are an absolute nightmare to extinguish See this one in Paris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted May 24, 2022 Report Share Posted May 24, 2022 25 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: See this one in Paris You definitely wouldn't have wanted to be on that bus, but this is just more EV hating propaganda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted May 24, 2022 Report Share Posted May 24, 2022 the way energy costs are going and the price over 3 years of a car its going to be cheaper to run on petrol/desiel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted May 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2022 (edited) 18 hours ago, Sweet11-87 said: this thread is the PW forum in a nutshell lmao, arguing the merit of something based on extremes and hypotheticals. if 1 charge got 1000 mile and could tow 15 tonne someone would demand theyre usless becasue they might need to drive 1010 mile and tow 16 tonne. somone will be along to blame it all on basc shortly Well one caught fire and sunk a ship full of luxury EV's because they couldn't put it out and it spread, wait until insurers refuse to insure any ships including ferries carrying EV's. It absolutely is a very real problem. A friend of mine who makes fire retardent material has been tasked with making material to contain EV fires, the fires are ferocious and take hours to put out. EV's are not the future and they are not green in any shape of form. Edited May 24, 2022 by Weihrauch17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted May 24, 2022 Report Share Posted May 24, 2022 14 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said: EV's are not the future and they are not green in any shape of form. This ^^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted May 24, 2022 Report Share Posted May 24, 2022 From January this year following research released in the US https://thedriven.io/2022/01/11/evs-have-extremely-low-chance-of-catching-fire-but-hybrids-more-risky-data-shows/amp/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted May 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2022 42 minutes ago, Mungler said: From January this year following research released in the US https://thedriven.io/2022/01/11/evs-have-extremely-low-chance-of-catching-fire-but-hybrids-more-risky-data-shows/amp/ They are totally unfeasable for 90% of the population on both cost or charging and if they can't be exported or travel on trains of Ferries what is the point. Plus new battery at 8 years means they will be worthless near that age when the cost of a new battery is 10 > 15k. Is the mining of all the precious metals green no and on top of that there will be nowhere near enough, the whole idea is a woke none starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted May 24, 2022 Report Share Posted May 24, 2022 27 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said: Is the mining of all the precious metals green no and on top of that there will be nowhere near enough, the whole idea is a woke none starter. The BBC Programme "Sliced Bread" did an investigation and found that roughly 6.7 tons of carbon is used to produce a new small petrol car - against 12 tons for an equivalent sized EV, mainly due to the battery. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/PZrcl898GNqcGzMV2TgrvX/eight-things-you-need-to-know-before-buying-an-electric-car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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