oowee Posted September 30, 2022 Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 Where do the Lizard people come into this? Putin can't be a lizard lord else he would be on the side of the US lizards??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted September 30, 2022 Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 While waiting for a joiner to turn up I have been wandering around the tinterweb. I think we have a winner here... Makes you think eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 30, 2022 Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, oowee said: Where do the Lizard people come into this? Putin can't be a lizard lord else he would be on the side of the US lizards??? Different lizard faction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted September 30, 2022 Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Different lizard faction Mousey, mousey........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted September 30, 2022 Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 (edited) ...but back in the real world, I wonder if the authorities (Sweden probably as it's their area and they have the subs capable to search) will be able to find remnants of what caused the damage? Obviously the gas needs to stop or be minimally leaking. Of course after that we can shout about it was "them" or "false flag" until blue in the face, but I also wonder if the magician is doing something else whilst we are looking intently at bubbles in the baltic? Edited September 30, 2022 by henry d Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 30, 2022 Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 6 minutes ago, Penelope said: Mousey, mousey........... 6 minutes ago, henry d said: ...but back in the real world https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/research/a38463302/cia-dolphins-sink-enemy-ships/ 6 minutes ago, henry d said: (Sweden probably as it's their area and they have the subs capable to search) will be able to find remnants of what caused the damage? They can find whatever they want to find, as its their investigation in their waters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 30, 2022 Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 Quote I think he means the Japanese were not a defeated nation at the time of the dropping. Only Stonepark seems to think the war was already over. A bizarre and totally inaccurate view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted September 30, 2022 Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Not exactly what I said or implied, but if you think Joe Biden decides where the US projects itself, or any bod at NATO decides what can and cant be done , then thats a conspiracy theory on its own ! Not doubt someone will be along shortly to talk to me about lizards because I mentioned 'elites' , but if I mention names like Gates, Schwab, or any other multi billionaire who thinks its OK to tell you how to live your life, THATS who Im talking about, not a nameless dude with a cat on his lap (though Schwab does look suspiciously like a SPECTRE character) Do these type of people people put presidents in power ? Of course they do, money makes the world go round. But if that was the case then no matter who was in charge the policies would be the same, to me Trump and Biden did/do seem to have different policies . Billionaires definitely bankroll politicians to curry favour, but getting governments to blow up pipelines, start wars or carry out the exact same policy no matter who is in charge is something I struggle with. 52 minutes ago, Rewulf said: You have me on that one , as its not a subject I know much about . But I was lead to believe the CIA , under direction of the US government used the cocaine trade for regime change purposes, when it was uncovered, they scrabbled to burn whoever they could to take blame from the Whitehouse. I could be wrong , but I thought this was accepted as fact ? Yes that was my point, blaming the CIA would be more credible than the blaming the world elite. The White House uses the CIA to have plausible deniability, I don’t believe for one second this was a NATO sanctioned or USA official action but can’t deny the USA under the guise of the rouge CIA operation is more plausible even though I don’t think it was them and I still think it is Russia. 52 minutes ago, Rewulf said: I dont suppose it was anything to do with security concerns at all, must be Putins madness, and dreams of becoming lizard lord of the New USSR ? It could be or it could be what I put. The thing about Lizard Lords is the people who believe in them use the same arguments as many have on here to defend their point of view. Using some of the defence points of views raised on here you would have to accept Lizard Lords exist. I’m fairly certain most of the Lizard Lords drink in the Sky Bar in Bury but that’s a whole other topic. Edited September 30, 2022 by timps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted September 30, 2022 Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 42 minutes ago, Rewulf said: https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/research/a38463302/cia-dolphins-sink-enemy-ships/ They can find whatever they want to find, as its their investigation in their waters. Yay, someone remembers!! Quite enjoyed 'V'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted September 30, 2022 Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Gordon R said: Only Stonepark seems to think the war was already over. A bizarre and totally inaccurate view. I personally think they were, all bar the shouting, but that shouting would have cost a lot of American lives, what with the Japanese mindset as it was. A bit like a lung shot deer; it's dead but does know it. Edited September 30, 2022 by Penelope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 30, 2022 Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, timps said: But if that was the case then no matter who was in charge the policies would be the same, to me Trump and Biden did/do seem to have different policies . Very true , Trump was for economic growth, keep out of conflict , controlling immigration, he was popular , and never got a second term. I could speculate he wasnt much of a yes man. Sleepy Joe , career politician , in bed with many corporations , particularly arms and oil. Not for controlling immigration, which is now spiralling out of control, unpopular, doesnt know what day it is. Straight in for conflict, or at least making sure America feeds the conflicts, massive defence budget. A yes man through and through. 15 minutes ago, timps said: Billionaires definitely bankroll politicians to curry favour, but getting governments to blow up pipelines, start wars or carry out the exact same policy no matter who is in charge is something I struggle with. Look at Iraq and Afghanistan , various presidents of both denominations continued the policies of occupation and conflict, unless there is some unifying thing that America has for war and manipulation, or some interest in the background ? 39 minutes ago, timps said: The Whitehouse uses the CIA to have plausible deniability 40 minutes ago, timps said: of the rouge CIA operation And there you have it. 41 minutes ago, timps said: The thing about Lizard Lords is the people who believe in them use the same arguments as many have on here to defend their point of view. Using some of the defence points of views raised on here you would have to accept Lizard Lords exist. Its a red herring, no one believes the lizard thing (well unless youre certifiable) its a fall back, like flat earth or chem trails. Anyone who questions the official narrative gets hit with the label that they believe in such things , 'because thats what conspiracy nuts believe in' 45 minutes ago, timps said: I’m fairly certain most of them drink in the Sky Bar in Bury but that’s a whole other topic. We used to have a very popular bar/club in Nottingham, the quantity of drugs consumed in there was legendary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted September 30, 2022 Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 48 minutes ago, timps said: Billionaires definitely bankroll politicians to curry favour, but getting governments to blow up pipelines, start wars or carry out the exact same policy no matter who is in charge is something I struggle with. Look at how many world leaders and those close to it have been through the WEF's Young Leadership Programme. The Bond villain, Schwab is even shown on video boasting about it and how they have 'penetrated' the world's governing cabinets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted September 30, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 hour ago, henry d said: ...but back in the real world, ..... ..... bubbles in the baltic? That got the makings of a good film title about it ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted September 30, 2022 Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, Dave-G said: ties in nicely with the Baked Beans thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted September 30, 2022 Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 46 minutes ago, Penelope said: they have 'penetrated' the world's governing cabinets. A hard job and not one i would like to pursue..😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted September 30, 2022 Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 listened to Putins annexsation speech .................what a load of disjointed cobblers...the audience really looked enthused................NOT......... do as you are told or die attitude does putin have a dopelganger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 30, 2022 Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 So we have annexation , with Putin threatening to defend it with all means possible, and then we have Ukraine officially applying to be fast tracked into NATO. Not sure he realises that you cant join while already involved in a conflict ? Exciting times ahead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted September 30, 2022 Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 Hello, Putin from what I read did not want Ukraine to join NATO , after 1000s of Ukraine citizens dead, 1000s of Ukraine solders, and 1000s of buildings and homes destroyed, not forgetting 1000s of Russian solders dead all to take over a small area of Ukraine, now he ups the threat of using nuclear bombs if any retaliation , so what will the Ukraine president and army do now, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 30, 2022 Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: so what will the Ukraine president and army do now Zelensky has a problem, asking to join NATO ASAP smacks of desperation, hes not really sure what Russia might do now they have effectively made the 4 annexed regions part of Russia. We can say we dont recognise the fact , but I dont believe the Russians are too bothered about that. Jens Stollenberg has done a press conference which some might say , distances NATO from this war, this leaves Z. out in the cold somewhat , but at its core, there is no way they could let Ukraine in until this is resolved (one way or another) Then it takes all 30 members to agree, with at least 2 of them highly unlikely to do so. Plus there are other issues I wont go into here, as I dont have time. Zelensky might well have overplayed his hand , as now the ante has been raised, Russia hasnt collapsed, the US/NATO have to (again) decide if they want more escalation, more investment , and involvement, or less. My thoughts are they will want less, and may wind down from this. Its not good for either Russia or Ukraine, whatever happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted September 30, 2022 Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Rewulf said: Zelensky has a problem, asking to join NATO ASAP smacks of desperation, hes not really sure what Russia might do now they have effectively made the 4 annexed regions part of Russia. We can say we dont recognise the fact , but I dont believe the Russians are too bothered about that. Jens Stollenberg has done a press conference which some might say , distances NATO from this war, this leaves Z. out in the cold somewhat , but at its core, there is no way they could let Ukraine in until this is resolved (one way or another) Then it takes all 30 members to agree, with at least 2 of them highly unlikely to do so. Plus there are other issues I wont go into here, as I dont have time. Zelensky might well have overplayed his hand , as now the ante has been raised, Russia hasnt collapsed, the US/NATO have to (again) decide if they want more escalation, more investment , and involvement, or less. My thoughts are they will want less, and may wind down from this. Its not good for either Russia or Ukraine, whatever happens. The one i see smacking of desperation is Putin / Russia. Quote Rewulf said might well have overplayed his hand , as now the ante has been raised, Russia hasnt collapsed. Putin might well have overplayed his hand , as now the ante has been raised, Ukraine hasn't collapsed. 5 hours ago, ditchman said: listened to Putins annexsation speech .................what a load of disjointed cobblers...the audience really looked enthused................NOT......... do as you are told or die attitude does putin have a dopelganger It looked like something taking place in North Korea. Edited September 30, 2022 by ordnance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted September 30, 2022 Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 Quote On 29/09/2022 at 18:52, ordnance said: How do you know 90% of Ukraine soldiers casualties are caused by artillery ? That is the reports from the Ukranian authorities.... I will take that as a no you don't have evidence links etc, that show your claim that 90% of Ukrainian soldiers casualties are / were caused by artillery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted September 30, 2022 Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 the russian people are frightened to death of him...........i will wager there is stuff going on there far more than we can imajine.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted September 30, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 So Russia dint like NATO getting closer - but Russia has now (in their mind) moved closer to NATO - but that's OK. Sounds like this is going to get progressively messier as time goes on - how long before Putin decides he'll bite off another chunk or four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted September 30, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 Am I right in thinking its only despotic states that have their military do that silly exaggerated marching we saw on Putins special day today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchughcb Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 8 hours ago, Dave-G said: So Russia dint like NATO getting closer - but Russia has now (in their mind) moved closer to NATO - but that's OK. Sounds like this is going to get progressively messier as time goes on - how long before Putin decides he'll bite off another chunk or four. Its the distance from moscow from the border, not the border itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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