Newbie to this Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 33 minutes ago, bostonmick said: how much do you stand and watch Until he invades a NATO member country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 1 hour ago, ordnance said: Your source is RT, LOL. There are multiple sources for the Ukrainians using their huge stockpile of tochka u missiles on the separatists. The one I picked had the most detail about the actual operation and performance, from someone who actually knows the system. But we all know by now, if the Russians do something bad, it's taken as gospel truth, deliberate and unforgivable. If the brave Ukrainians do something bad, it's a damn Russian lie, or a mistake, because the Russians made them do it, like shelling civilians in Donbass, or shooting Russian prisoners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Rewulf said: There are multiple sources for the Ukrainians using their huge stockpile of tochka u missiles on the separatists. The one I picked had the most detail about the actual operation and performance, from someone who actually knows the system. But we all know by now, if the Russians do something bad, it's taken as gospel truth, deliberate and unforgivable. If the brave Ukrainians do something bad, it's a damn Russian lie, or a mistake, because the Russians made them do it, like shelling civilians in Donbass, or shooting Russian prisoners. Yeah multiple Russian supporting sources. There are sources that say the word is flat, must be true they 🤔 Edited April 10, 2022 by ordnance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 5 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, would that might be a possibility but if all countries in NATO stood by a no fly zone with their air forces would Putin back down ?, is it worth considering ?, now the Russian forces have retreated the Ukrainian police have started the task of finding more dead bodies , most the elderly in their small village homes who could not leave , surly something must be done to stop Putin ?? They have only retreated to concentrate on what Putin really wants! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 28 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: They have only retreated to concentrate on what Putin really wants! Putin wanted and expected to take the whole country, Ukraine forced him to go to plan B, not what he really wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MirokuMK70 Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Rewulf said: There are multiple sources for the Ukrainians using their huge stockpile of tochka u missiles on the separatists. The one I picked had the most detail about the actual operation and performance, from someone who actually knows the system. But we all know by now, if the Russians do something bad, it's taken as gospel truth, deliberate and unforgivable. If the brave Ukrainians do something bad, it's a damn Russian lie, or a mistake, because the Russians made them do it, like shelling civilians in Donbass, or shooting Russian prisoners. Are you russian by any chance? You seem to be a great defender of the child murdering ****s... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted April 10, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, MirokuMK70 said: Are you russian by any chance? You seem to be a great defender of the child murdering ****s... I suspect that rather like me: he doesn't defend either side as he is able to see the emerging facts that neither side are saints. Edited April 10, 2022 by Dave-G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MirokuMK70 Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Dave-G said: I suspect that rather like me: he doesn't defend either side as he is able to see neither side are saints. The ukrainians aren't killing russian kids though are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted April 10, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, MirokuMK70 said: The ukrainians aren't killing russian kids though are they? That depends on what propaganda you see or believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MirokuMK70 Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 Show me the evidence of dead russian kids vs the evidence of dead ukrainian kids then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Dave-G said: I suspect that rather like me: he doesn't defend either side as he is able to see the emerging facts that neither side are saints. Exactly. 3 minutes ago, MirokuMK70 said: The ukrainians aren't killing russian kids though are they? If you bother to read the links and do a bit of research, the Ukrainians are quite happy to throw a few retaliation missiles into civilian areas in Donbass, killing kids. But you you won't hear that on the BBC 10 o'clock news. Obviously the Russians are killing civilians on a far greater scale, but let's not delude ourselves that there isn't a grey area between right and wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 there are no rules in war...only outcomes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 16 minutes ago, ditchman said: there are no rules in war...only outcomes Legally there are rules. Quote If you bother to read the links and do a bit of research, the Ukrainians are quite happy to throw a few retaliation missiles into civilian areas in Donbass, killing kids. Could be i don't know, have you credible sources that happened ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 21 minutes ago, ditchman said: there are no rules in war...only outcomes This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Dave-G said: I suspect that rather like me: he doesn't defend either side as he is able to see the emerging facts that neither side are saints. Few sides are saints in any war, but don't forget what country invaded the other. 6 minutes ago, Scully said: This. Catchy saying but factually incorrect, if armies / countries abide by them is another matter. The laws of war in a nutshell - International Committee of the ... Edited April 10, 2022 by ordnance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MirokuMK70 Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 12 minutes ago, ordnance said: Legally there are rules. Could be i don't know, have you credible sources that happened ? This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 23 minutes ago, ordnance said: Could be i don't know, have you credible sources that happened What's a credible source, the BBC, sky, fox? Boris said right at the start, he wanted RTs licence revoked by Ofcom, as he only wanted "one narrative" How much plainer does it have to be? They could tell you anything they wanted, no mater how far fetched, and you would believe it, you don't have a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Rewulf said: What's a credible source, the BBC, sky, fox? Boris said right at the start, he wanted RTs licence revoked by Ofcom, as he only wanted "one narrative" How much plainer does it have to be? They could tell you anything they wanted, no mater how far fetched, and you would believe it, you don't have a choice. Any credible source, you said bellow happened back it up. Quote the Ukrainians are quite happy to throw a few retaliation missiles into civilian areas in Donbass, killing kids. Edited April 10, 2022 by ordnance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, ordnance said: Any credible source, you said it happened back it up. I'd be wasting my time, because anything that stated it happened you would say it wasn't credible. I could get a signed statement from Zelensky saying it happened, and you would say its a Russian forgery. You believe what you like, let others believe what they like. Bask in your moral superiority. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Rewulf said: I'd be wasting my time, because anything that stated it happened you would say it wasn't credible. I could get a signed statement from Zelensky saying it happened, and you would say its a Russian forgery. You believe what you like, let others believe what they like. Bask in your moral superiority. 😉 Thought so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 49 minutes ago, ordnance said: Few sides are saints in any war, but don't forget what country invaded the other. Catchy saying but factually incorrect, if armies / countries abide by them is another matter. The laws of war in a nutshell - International Committee of the ... Laws only apply to the law abiding, and then only if there’s anyone to police them. Who’s policing this? It’s a bit naive to believe that anyone committing an act of war is going to be bothered about what someone else considers is against the law. The whole idea of waging a war where the intent is to kill enough of the other side until they submit, and then creating rules of what is and isn’t acceptable is ludicrous beyond belief. Germany tried to blow the UK into submission and in turn we blew the hell out of their cities with the same intent. It’s war! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Scully said: Laws only apply to the law abiding, and then only if there’s anyone to police them. Who’s policing this? It’s a bit naive to believe that anyone committing an act of war is going to be bothered about what someone else considers is against the law. The whole idea of waging a war where the intent is to kill enough of the other side until they submit, and then creating rules of what is and isn’t acceptable is ludicrous beyond belief. Germany tried to blow the UK into submission and in turn we blew the hell out of their cities with the same intent. It’s war! Still there are laws / rules so as i said, to say ( there are no rules in war...only outcomes ) is factually incorrect. Edited April 10, 2022 by ordnance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 1 minute ago, ordnance said: Still there are laws so as i said, to say ( there are no rules in war...only outcomes ) is factually incorrect. I’m not denying there are laws, just stating the fact that they’re as ridiculous as they are effective, as has been proved. I’m sure they come as a great comfort to those out there at the sharp end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Scully said: I’m not denying there are laws, just stating the fact that they’re as ridiculous as they are effective, as has been proved. I’m sure they come as a great comfort to those out there at the sharp end. As i said (if armies / countries abide by them is another matter ) On the plus side i see a missile ( Starstreak )designed and manufactured in Belfast has made a appearance in Ukraine. Edited April 10, 2022 by ordnance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 3 hours ago, ordnance said: Thought so. That's the problem, you aren't thinking. Try forming your own opinion , not just copying someone else's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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