Lord Botham's shooting party disrupted

[JohnfromUK]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11140843/Masked-hunt-saboteurs-bowl-Ian-Botham-blocking-cricket-legends-grouse-shooting-party.html

And I see the BBC mouthpiece, Packham has immediately praised the disruption.

Edited August 24, 2022 by JohnfromUK

[Mice!]

I wonder what would happen if 10 or 12 shooters put on masks or balaclavas or went and disrupted a game of football or blocked the entrance to a shopping centre?

I'll bet none of those sabs are up on the Moor helping the next time there's a fire either.

[Westley]

On the flimsy information available,  it does appear like an aggravated trespass, for which they could have been arrested. Alternatively I would suggest, a Breach of the Peace could well have occurred  ? 

[12gauge82]

I find the comment section concerning, the daily mail is far from being the guardian and yet the vast majority of the readers appear to be totally against hunting, unless it's just a dislike for Ian Botham personally 🤷‍♂️

[old man]

47 minutes ago, Westley said:

On the flimsy information available,  it does appear like an aggravated trespass, for which they could have been arrested. Alternatively I would suggest, a Breach of the Peace could well have occurred  ? 

Certainly begs the question, if someone of his standing failed to obtain police action?

[JohnfromUK]

41 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

the daily mail is far from being the guardian and yet the vast majority of the readers appear to be totally against hunting, unless it's just a dislike for Ian Botham personally

I don't think Botham is personally unpopular?  Rather the reverse I would have thought, but perhaps I move in rather blinkered circles!  Certainly his advertising of some foot liniment or something seems to be a bit unpopular (snake oil?)

In my view, the LACS and 'Sabs' have been very successful in gaining support through a mix of 'celeb' support, (think Packham, Brian May etc.) journalists and columnists/contributors (think Moonblot, Tingay, Avery etc.) and a variety of plain lies about persecution of birds of prey.  There was a comment about how the grouse are reared in captivity and released 'days before' to be shot.  Totally untrue.  It is (as we on these forums know) virtually impossible to rear grouse in captivity and as far as I know has never been able to be done on any commercial scale anywhere.

[welsh1]

55 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

I find the comment section concerning, the daily mail is far from being the guardian and yet the vast majority of the readers appear to be totally against hunting, unless it's just a dislike for Ian Botham personally 🤷‍♂️

I love the daily mail comments section, always sure to provide a laugh and expose some weirdos, it's like twitter, a minority of people who think their opinions should be obeyed and are very vocal about it(in reality they are a tiny minority and should not be taken seriously)

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, welsh1 said:

I love the daily mail comments section, always sure to provide a laugh and expose some weirdos, it's like twitter, a minority of people who think their opinions should be obeyed and are very vocal about it(in reality they are a tiny minority and should not be taken seriously)

Hope your right! Otherwise its a sign that the general public are totally out of touch with the circle of life and food production in general. 

[Mice!]

4 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

Hope your right! Otherwise its a sign that the general public are totally out of touch with the circle of life and food production in general. 

No, that bit is right, food comes from the super market. 

[old man]

2 minutes ago, Mice! said:

No, that bit is right, food comes from the super market. 

And in little boxes?

The levels of ignorance are astounding and sadly building?

[Good shot?]

I loved the comment that “ the brave hunt sabs put themselves between the gunmen and the terrified birds”

or something like that.

Such good reporting.

[London Best]

I wonder how brave the sabs would be with 2 1/2 tons of 4x4 pushing them gently along the moor?

[old man]

14 hours ago, Good shot? said:

I loved the comment that “ the brave hunt sabs put themselves between the gunmen and the terrified birds”

or something like that.

Such good reporting.

Trash at its best?

12 hours ago, London Best said:

I wonder how brave the sabs would be with 2 1/2 tons of 4x4 pushing them gently along the moor?

That might have woken up Dixon and his buddies?

[London Best]

3 minutes ago, old man said:

 

That might have woken up Dixon and his buddies?

“I’m sorry about his broken leg, Officer. My foot slipped off the clutch.”

[Minky]

Botham is a very good shot.  Apparently according to that article he uses a rifle to shoot the grouse.  They really haven't got a bloody clue.

The article states that the sabs noticed the beaters white flags out on the moor and then took action to block the vehicles.  perhaps more thought should be taken to not use white flags or use any sort of flag at all.  I'm sure that other methods could be thought of to move the birds.  perhaps the groups of sabs need monitoring as to where they are and countermeasures taken.

[enfieldspares]

Botham is a peer, a member of the House of Lords. I may not agree with the "cronyism" that saw Johnson have him ennobled bu that Botham is a peer is indeed a good thing. By right he can demand an answer from any Government Minister as to what the Government is doing about X, Y or Z and his question must be replied to. Let us hope there are now questions as to, as said, the matter of this aggravated trespass to disrupt a  lawful organised event.

[Walker570]

19 hours ago, Westley said:

On the flimsy information available,  it does appear like an aggravated trespass, for which they could have been arrested. Alternatively I would suggest, a Breach of the Peace could well have occurred  ? 

Don't be silly modern day police wouldn't know what a breach of the peace was they are too busy chasing woke criminality.

Excellent write up by Lord Botham this morning.

[12gauge82]

9 minutes ago, enfieldspares said:

Botham is a peer, a member of the House of Lords. I may not agree with the "cronyism" that saw Johnson have him ennobled bu that Botham is a peer is indeed a good thing. By right he can demand an answer from any Government Minister as to what the Government is doing about X, Y or Z and his question must be replied to. Let us hope there are now questions as to, as said, the matter of this aggravated trespass to disrupt a  lawful organised event.

While I'm certainly not against the objectives of your suggestion, my worry would be all that would do is turn the public even more against shooting, as it would be perceived that toff Botham abuses his privileged position, to protect his personal hobby. 

[Penelope]

1 minute ago, Walker570 said:

Don't be silly modern day police wouldn't know what a breach of the peace was they are too busy chasing woke criminality.

Excellent write up by Lord Botham this morning.

Are you able to post it, Walker?

[Walker570]

Just now, Penelope said:

Are you able to post it, Walker?

Sorry, I am not that clever.

[Penelope]

1 minute ago, Walker570 said:

Sorry, I am not that clever.

What publication was his piece in, then, please?

[JohnfromUK]

Was it this one?  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11143725/Furious-Ian-Botham-blasts-self-righteous-hunt-saboteurs.html

 

[Minky]

50 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

While I'm certainly not against the objectives of your suggestion, my worry would be all that would do is turn the public even more against shooting, as it would be perceived that toff Botham abuses his privileged position, to protect his personal hobby. 

I quite understand this angle but I also believe that we as a minority have  ot been vocal enough and as a result sort of cower down to the likes of kwis.  If chief constables were wheeled in for a tuning, up they might get a bit of action when farms are robbed ect.   If we lay down we'll get trodden into the mud.  We hwve to be more proactive and take evasive action before the slabs and kwis etc.  Not to just turn up expecting to shoot.  Use two way to redirect drives and gun positions. Block off access to other vehicles so slabs don't know where you're  going and can't get there in time. A bit of forethought.

[12gauge82]

5 minutes ago, Minky said:

I quite understand this angle but I also believe that we as a minority have  ot been vocal enough and as a result sort of cower down to the likes of kwis.  If chief constables were wheeled in for a tuning, up they might get a bit of action when farms are robbed ect.   If we lay down we'll get trodden into the mud.  We hwve to be more proactive and take evasive action before the slabs and kwis etc.  Not to just turn up expecting to shoot.  Use two way to redirect drives and gun positions. Block off access to other vehicles so slabs don't know where you're  going and can't get there in time. A bit of forethought.

I agree, we haven't been proactive enough either, but it's a fine line. Shooting really is between a rock and a hard place at the moment and the last thing we want to do is turn the public against us further. 

Got to be honest, the way things are going I can't see shooting being here for the average person for too much longer, our society has become too big, for such a small island, with not enough space and everyone believing that they have a right to stop anyone doing anything that offends them, whether it's lawful or not. Sometimes I wish we could roll the clock back a few decades! 

[wymberley]

Making it illegal for these thugs to hide their faces after any activity during a demonstration is classed as illegal which in turn would then renders the demonstration itself and all those taking part as breaking the law would be interesting. I know, no chance.