Yellow Bear Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Rewulf said: I dont think we are quite at the stage where we can start levelling the blame for thousands of deaths at the door of pharma companies who rushed out the jab , so thy could maximise profits, and by extension , governments either. However , there are disturbing reports of massive rises in myocarditus and pericarditus , a study of 50,000 people in Swindon has some 7 % of jabbed people now being treated for either of these 2 conditions, an 8 x increase from pre covid baselines. These figures from the ONS https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/latest are discussed in the Dr Campbell video. No doubt someone will be along shortly to rubbish Campbells qualification, or accuse him of right wing hysterical conspiracies, none of which are claimed or insinuated, and theres still those pesky ONS figures..... Whilst not disagreeing with what you have said some organisations were reporting, as early as mid 2020, a rise in myocarditus in covid -19 patients (pre vaccine). Playing devils advocate, could this rise not be due to the disease itself and not the vaccine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted January 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 13 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: Whilst not disagreeing with what you have said some organisations were reporting, as early as mid 2020, a rise in myocarditus in covid -19 patients (pre vaccine). Playing devils advocate, could this rise not be due to the disease itself and not the vaccine? Im sure that is what they would like you to think, as it sounds like a good possibility. But many health authorities around the world are beginning to think differently. The CDC in the US issued this over 18 months ago Summary In April 2021, increased cases of myocarditis and pericarditis were reported in the United States after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna). Data from multiple studies show a rare risk for myocarditis and/or pericarditis following receipt of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines. These rare cases of myocarditis or pericarditis have occurred most frequently in adolescent and young adult males, ages 16 years and older, within 7 days after receiving the second dose of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna). There has not been a similar reporting pattern observed after receipt of the Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine (Johnson & Johnson). From the LancetHistorically, smallpox and anthrax vaccines have been associated with acute myocarditis. 1Among 790 cases reported in the WHO pharmacovigilance database between 1967 and 2020, vaccine-associated myocarditis primarily affected young male adults (median age 24 years; 84% male individuals). Recently, the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines have also been associated with myocarditis. In the USA, 1626 cases of mRNA COVID-19 vaccine-related myocarditis were reported between December, 2020, and August, 2021, through the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). Similar to the previous cases of vaccine-associated myocarditis, the median age of individuals with mRNA COVID-19 vaccine-associated myocarditis was 21 years, and 82% were male. The greater number of individuals with vaccine-related myocarditis in recent reports, compared with previous figures of vaccine-related myocarditis in the WHO pharmacovigilance database between 1967 and 2020, might relate to the high number of adolescent and young adults vaccinated with mRNA COVID-19 vaccines. Unlike previous myocarditis case series, intermediate-term outcomes and time course of recovery after mRNA COVID-19 vaccine-associated myocarditis have not yet been reported. Its not a case of 'Is there a problem' its a case of how big is the problem really ? But , whatever the myocarditis issue , the bigger one is the high level of patient neglect over the past two years, which will result in hundreds of thousands of deaths for many years to come. Im not saying this was avoidable , we had a government who didnt have a clue what to do about it, as most didnt, but now that the glaring limitations of our health service have been exposed , I think we need to look at things differently. The alternative looks like an involuntary end of life pathway , caused by neglect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docleo Posted January 11, 2023 Report Share Posted January 11, 2023 On 09/01/2023 at 15:29, Rewulf said: Im sure that is what they would like you to think, as it sounds like a good possibility. But many health authorities around the world are beginning to think differently. The CDC in the US issued this over 18 months ago Summary In April 2021, increased cases of myocarditis and pericarditis were reported in the United States after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna). Data from multiple studies show a rare risk for myocarditis and/or pericarditis following receipt of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines. These rare cases of myocarditis or pericarditis have occurred most frequently in adolescent and young adult males, ages 16 years and older, within 7 days after receiving the second dose of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna). There has not been a similar reporting pattern observed after receipt of the Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine (Johnson & Johnson). From the LancetHistorically, smallpox and anthrax vaccines have been associated with acute myocarditis. 1Among 790 cases reported in the WHO pharmacovigilance database between 1967 and 2020, vaccine-associated myocarditis primarily affected young male adults (median age 24 years; 84% male individuals). Recently, the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines have also been associated with myocarditis. In the USA, 1626 cases of mRNA COVID-19 vaccine-related myocarditis were reported between December, 2020, and August, 2021, through the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). Similar to the previous cases of vaccine-associated myocarditis, the median age of individuals with mRNA COVID-19 vaccine-associated myocarditis was 21 years, and 82% were male. The greater number of individuals with vaccine-related myocarditis in recent reports, compared with previous figures of vaccine-related myocarditis in the WHO pharmacovigilance database between 1967 and 2020, might relate to the high number of adolescent and young adults vaccinated with mRNA COVID-19 vaccines. Unlike previous myocarditis case series, intermediate-term outcomes and time course of recovery after mRNA COVID-19 vaccine-associated myocarditis have not yet been reported. From the same Lancet article you cited (following paragraph): "In the USA, incidence of mRNA vaccine-related myocarditis within 21 days of the second dose peaks in males aged 12–29 years (8·4 to 26·7 cases per 100 000 males). Myocarditis risk is higher after SARS-CoV-2 virus infection than after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination. In fact, myocarditis was diagnosed in 59·0 to 63·7 per 100 000 males aged 12–29 years within 21 days of a positive SARS-CoV-2 molecular or antigen test." I think this is a relevant information and should be included in the myocarditis risk discussion. A question not addressed (and potentially very important) is whether the vaccine increases the overall risk, as we know it does not completely prevent SARS-CoV-2 infection (maybe the data are out there but I did not look for them). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted January 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2023 4 hours ago, Docleo said: Myocarditis risk is higher after SARS-CoV-2 virus infection than after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination. In fact, myocarditis was diagnosed in 59·0 to 63·7 per 100 000 males aged 12–29 years within 21 days of a positive SARS-CoV-2 molecular or antigen test." I think this is a relevant information and should be included in the myocarditis risk discussion. Agreed . But it doesnt account for all myocarditis incidents, a fact which I find has been denied at first, grudgingly recognised, and now its being painted as necessary evil ? Im not an anti vaxxer, there are certainly age groups and situations where , in effect an individual has nothing to lose, but in the words of a good friend of mine ((a respected pharmacist at a hospital A + E dept) who very nearly lost his job because he refused the vaccine) these vaccines have not had proper testing for long term effects, and very little testing for short term effects. Yet when these very real concerns are voiced, or evidence shown to demonstrate it , you have the usual righteous voices declaring it a 'right wing' conspiracy theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ordnance Posted January 11, 2023 Report Share Posted January 11, 2023 On 09/01/2023 at 15:07, Yellow Bear said: Whilst not disagreeing with what you have said some organisations were reporting, as early as mid 2020, a rise in myocarditus in covid -19 patients (pre vaccine). Playing devils advocate, could this rise not be due to the disease itself and not the vaccine? Yes myocarditis, blood clots, other heart and lungs damage etc, are all possible with Covid. But that doesn't matter to the anti vaccine and conspiracy believers, so they ignore it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted January 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2023 3 hours ago, ordnance said: Yes myocarditis, blood clots, other heart and lungs damage etc, are all possible with Covid. But that doesn't matter to the anti vaccine and conspiracy believers, so they ignore it. Apparently it doesn't matter to the CDC, the FDA and various other respected health agencies either? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted January 13, 2023 Report Share Posted January 13, 2023 So if Covid doesn't get you - we will make sure the vaccine does - is this it??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted January 13, 2023 Report Share Posted January 13, 2023 32 minutes ago, discobob said: So if Covid doesn't get you - we will make sure the vaccine does - is this it??? Steady on, there's only so much tinfoil to go around! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 13, 2023 Report Share Posted January 13, 2023 Quote So if Covid doesn't get you - we will make sure the vaccine does - is this it??? discobob - half decent point. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted January 15, 2023 Report Share Posted January 15, 2023 On 13/01/2023 at 15:48, discobob said: So if Covid doesn't get you - we will make sure the vaccine does - is this it??? Covid was statistically unlikely to get you unless you were over the age 82 It would be funny, if it weren’t so tragic, reading the mental hoops people are jumping through to deny that there is a correlation between myocarditis and the vaccine. This is now acknowledged, albeit not very publicly, by the medical establishment. Apparently, even the BBC have deigned to mention it. Of course, correlation is not causation. And opinions vary - even amongst experts - as to how to define that distinction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted January 15, 2023 Report Share Posted January 15, 2023 2 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said: Of course, correlation is not causation. And opinions vary - even amongst experts - as to how to define that distinction. So all bets are off 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 Interesting https://dailysceptic.org/2023/01/15/will-aseem-malhotras-appearance-be-the-bbcs-most-viewed-programme-of-2023/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 16 minutes ago, Mungler said: Interesting https://dailysceptic.org/2023/01/15/will-aseem-malhotras-appearance-be-the-bbcs-most-viewed-programme-of-2023/ Indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) On 11/01/2023 at 19:16, ordnance said: Yes myocarditis, blood clots, other heart and lungs damage etc, are all possible with Covid. But that doesn't matter to the anti vaccine and conspiracy believers, so they ignore it. https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2023/01/16/are-athletes-dropping-dead-covid-jab.aspx?ui=1f0da28f9efd3a3565949b4259e08b1c1391df9ca9882a4e64ab6840bd71c9a6&sd=20221021&cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1ReadMore&cid=20230116_HL2&cid=DM1323055&bid=1695664600 Even the CDC are now admitting there is a problem......... There is no evidence COVID causes myocarditis, blood clots, etc as you suggest. These are all vaccine caused. There is evidence of lung damage (just like the flu) and this is exacerbated by incorrect treatment and with a normal functioning immune system is perfectly survivable. In mechanical terms the vaccine is like giving all cars nitrous oxide, it causes damage to them all but those who run faster and harder fail first. There is no significant increase in people dropping dead in places like Africa from increased levels of myocarditis and blood clots where only very few were jabbed. Edited January 16, 2023 by Stonepark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 I shot the F1 challenge the other week - best scores of 4 to count from the Squad. We were down because one of the group was undergoing treatment for Cancer which took him and his wife out. So we were entering with a squad of 4. However on Saturday night I got a message that one of our guys had collapsed and been rushed into hospital. Blood clots in his lungs and also heart - reasonably fit late forties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 12 minutes ago, discobob said: However on Saturday night I got a message that one of our guys had collapsed and been rushed into hospital. Blood clots in his lungs and also heart - reasonably fit late forties. I hope he recovers well. Sadly, blood clots can and do happen - often very suddenly. One of my best friends died suddenly at home from a blood clot - about 6 weeks before he was due to retire. Absolutely nothing to do with vaccines or Covid - it happened months before the first Covid instances and long before any Covid vaccine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, Stonepark said: https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2023/01/16/are-athletes-dropping-dead-covid-jab.aspx?ui=1f0da28f9efd3a3565949b4259e08b1c1391df9ca9882a4e64ab6840bd71c9a6&sd=20221021&cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1ReadMore&cid=20230116_HL2&cid=DM1323055&bid=1695664600 Even the CDC are now admitting there is a problem......... There is no evidence COVID causes myocarditis, blood clots, etc as you suggest. These are all vaccine caused. There is evidence of lung damage (just like the flu) and this is exacerbated by incorrect treatment and with a normal functioning immune system is perfectly survivable. In mechanical terms the vaccine is like giving all cars nitrous oxide, it causes damage to them all but those who run faster and harder fail first. There is no significant increase in people dropping dead in places like Africa from increased levels of myocarditis and blood clots where only very few were jabbed. Your source is a well known snake oil salesman that uses antivax nonsence to help sell his cure all vitamins etc The Most Influential Spreader of Coronavirus Misinformation ... 25 Nov 2022 — Researchers and regulators say Joseph Mercola, an osteopathic physician, creates and profits from misleading claims about Covid-19 vaccines. There is no uptick in sudden cardiac arrest or death in athletes due to COVID-19 or from COVID vaccinations. This is total misinformation,” Dr. Jonathan Drezner told us in an emailed statement. Drezner is the director of the UW Medicine Center for Sports Cardiology at the University of Washington, editor in chief of the British Journal of Sports Medicine, and a team physician for the Seattle Seahawks, the OL Reign soccer team and the University of Washington Huskies. No Surge in Athlete Deaths, Contrary to Widespread Anti ... Claim: "Athletes being incapacitated or dropping dead was not a 'thing' prior to 2020. We are now seeing this happen very frequently." Edited January 16, 2023 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted January 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 2 hours ago, ordnance said: Claim: "Athletes being incapacitated or dropping dead was not a 'thing' prior to 2020. We are now seeing this happen very frequently Apparently its because its cold https://news-sky-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/cold-snap-could-cause-strokes-and-heart-attacks-doctors-warn-12788268?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASCAAgM%3D#aoh=16739146901170&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From %1%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.sky.com%2Fstory%2Fcold-snap-could-cause-strokes-and-heart-attacks-doctors-warn-12788268 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted January 26, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2023 Dr Campbell loses his cool... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted January 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 Oh dear ..... A rather 'flamboyant' Pfizer exec tries to impress his date. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SjtYsET8Tc&t=476s Social media erases him, as no doubt big pharma will shortly too.... 'Walker reportedly does not have any public social media presence or digital footprint. According to Twitter commentator Ian Miles Cheong, the sole LinkedIn profile connected to Walker was also deleted. However, Project Veritas founder James O’Keefe confirmed his credentials.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serrac Posted February 1, 2023 Report Share Posted February 1, 2023 On 28/01/2023 at 12:15, Rewulf said: Oh dear ..... A rather 'flamboyant' Pfizer exec tries to impress his date. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SjtYsET8Tc&t=476s Social media erases him, as no doubt big pharma will shortly too.... 'Walker reportedly does not have any public social media presence or digital footprint. According to Twitter commentator Ian Miles Cheong, the sole LinkedIn profile connected to Walker was also deleted. However, Project Veritas founder James O’Keefe confirmed his credentials.' Yep, Pfizer exec realises the important difference between getting laid and being screwed 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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