People can't afford to eat...............

[amateur]

57 minutes ago, oowee said:

I can agree with some of that but the gap between the haves and the have not is now huge. Whilst possibly the majority of people were in relative poverty in the past now the distribution of wealth is very different. The gap between rich and poor has never been greater.

What a load of tosh.

Where are the genuinely starving masses of the 1800s and the 1930s?

There are, true, a high number of public sector managers (NHS, local authorities) who are paid far more than their worth in the private sector and a relatively few, very few, super rich who made their own money.

The blobs who bleat that they can afford nothing (except their tats, smokes, tv and booze) should learn how to manage on their (public funded) income

[old'un]

1 hour ago, oowee said:

I can agree with some of that but the gap between the haves and the have not is now huge. Whilst possibly the majority of people were in relative poverty in the past now the distribution of wealth is very different. The gap between rich and poor has never been greater.

when I was a nipper (1960s) the road we lived in you could count the number of cars on one hand and only a few people had a TV.

Not long ago I was in the area where I was born, whilst there I thought I would take a detour and have a drive up my old road, well the road was full of cars almost bumper to bumper and nearly every house had a satellite dish, all the obvious signs of poverty.

[oowee]

1 hour ago, old'un said:

when I was a nipper (1960s) the road we lived in you could count the number of cars on one hand and only a few people had a TV.

Not long ago I was in the area where I was born, whilst there I thought I would take a detour and have a drive up my old road, well the road was full of cars almost bumper to bumper and nearly every house had a satellite dish, all the obvious signs of poverty.

Hence the envy posted in the video. Its the gap between rich and poor rather than the poverty that is the issue. If the wealth were better distributed mayube the issue would not be so blatant. 

[JohnfromUK]

2 minutes ago, oowee said:

If the wealth were better distributed mayube the issue would not be so blatant. 

If you redistributed the wealth - in a short while some would be poor again - and some would be back on the road to wealth again.  And you know what?  Those that were poor before would mostly be poor again ......... and those that were wealthy before would mostly be getting wealthy again.

It's human nature.

[amateur]

2 minutes ago, oowee said:

Hence the envy posted in the video. Its the gap between rich and poor rather than the poverty that is the issue. If the wealth were better distributed mayube the issue would not be so blatant. 

If you want a better life, study and work harder.

There is no magic money tree, unless you are a communist and look how that has worked out for the communist states. Their rich acquire their money through politics, not gainful employment.

[oowee]

6 minutes ago, amateur said:

If you want a better life, study and work harder.

There is no magic money tree, unless you are a communist and look how that has worked out for the communist states. Their rich acquire their money through politics, not gainful employment.

I dont agree that it has to be all or nothing. There is a balance to be struck and I don't think food banks, and year long waiting lists is it. 

[Mungler]

51 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

If you redistributed the wealth - in a short while some would be poor again - and some would be back on the road to wealth again.  And you know what?  Those that were poor before would mostly be poor again ......... and those that were wealthy before would mostly be getting wealthy again.

It's human nature.

 

That's a fair point.

 

50 minutes ago, amateur said:

If you want a better life, study and work harder.

There is no magic money tree, unless you are a communist and look how that has worked out for the communist states. Their rich acquire their money through politics, not gainful employment.

 

Agreed. Redistribution of wealth the socialist way has never worked anywhere, ever.

 

[Rewulf]

59 minutes ago, oowee said:

If the wealth were better distributed mayube the issue would not be so blatant. 

I like that idea.
You can start by signing your yacht over to me ..

[Walker570]

On 30/11/2022 at 11:03, Scully said:

I wasn’t even aware that was a ‘thing’! 
How can it possibly be appropriate! How can we possibly progress when there are people still applying caveman superstition to 21st century problems? 

Yup. 

 

5 hours ago, oowee said:

I can agree with some of that but the gap between the haves and the have not is now huge. Whilst possibly the majority of people were in relative poverty in the past now the distribution of wealth is very different. The gap between rich and poor has never been greater.

Describe poor for me. Does that include the tatooed wobblies down our high street calling in the Post Office to collect their dues?  I see reference to 'homeless' do all of these folk not have family or are they 'professional' homeless?

[Houseplant]

We talk about this stuff quite a lot at home. Both of us are from working class backgrounds and have done OK. There is no doubt that the easiest and quickest way to get rich is to have a wealthy family. For everyone else, it can be a struggle, but as mentioned, get your head down, work/study hard and it can be done. That said, if you come from an unstable home where no one works and there are addiction, neglect, abuse issues, it's very hard to break the cycle. In fact, you might not realise that another life is possible. I'm on the fence on this one.

 

[Walker570]

I know one or two chaps who are at the bottom of the income staus but never complain and get out every day a do a job. I also know of a couple of youngsters who have done a useless degree and when offered a job recently, replied "Oh, I couldn't do that".    I certainly do not sit on a fence.  The old saying goes, you makes your bed and lies on it.

[Mungler]

9 hours ago, Houseplant said:

That said, if you come from an unstable home where no one works and there are addiction, neglect, abuse issues, it's very hard to break the cycle. In fact, you might not realise that another life is possible. I'm on the fence on this one.

 

I think this is heading to the central issues and that’s upbringing / family, education and opportunity.

As a society we now have no concept of shame. You often hear ‘you don’t know me’ or ‘you can’t judge me’ in the context of something shameful happening and the person at the centre of the act decrying that they can do what they like and do as they please.

So, as a country we are lucky enough to have state education - I won’t say it’s ‘free’ because nothing is free. 

If people don’t take advantage of the opportunity to get qualifications, get skilled or get a trade, then who is to blame? The government? I don’t think so. People need to look closer to home and that’s then within their own family structure / parents.

If people have no shame in being awful parents or raising their children not to work, to pop out kids they can’t self fund or just with no purpose or direction, then is that down to the government or personal responsibility.

 

 

 

[Rewulf]

9 hours ago, Mungler said:

As a society we now have no concept of shame. You often hear ‘you don’t know me’ or ‘you can’t judge me’ in the context of something shameful happening and the person at the centre of the act decrying that they can do what they like and do as they please.

I agree with what youre trying to say, but to my mind its all about self respect.
They dont respect anything or anyone , because they have no respect for themselves.
They dont respect the education provided for them , or the society that theyre ancestors built, with hard toil and blood. They dont respect the money the social state gives them , spending it on drugs booze, tattoos and dogs, because they didnt EARN it.
They will bring the next generation into the world , drilling into them what a terrible place it is, out there in the 'jungle' someone far better than themselves built for them, and teach them its dog eat dog out there , and no one will do anything for you, while simultaneously letting the state/tax payers cater for your every need.
You cannot force respect , its one of those concepts , like honour, that is earned.
But we have unfortunately  created a system where we dont need either to live comfortably , and in this age of human lazy ness , there are plenty willing to take advantage of the system, and to hell with self respect, dignity and honour.

[Mungler]

8 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

I agree with what youre trying to say, but to my mind its all about self respect.
They dont respect anything or anyone , because they have no respect for themselves.
They dont respect the education provided for them , or the society that theyre ancestors built, with hard toil and blood. They dont respect the money the social state gives them , spending it on drugs booze, tattoos and dogs, because they didnt EARN it.
They will bring the next generation into the world , drilling into them what a terrible place it is, out there in the 'jungle' someone far better than themselves built for them, and teach them its dog eat dog out there , and no one will do anything for you, while simultaneously letting the state/tax payers cater for your every need.
You cannot force respect , its one of those concepts , like honour, that is earned.
But we have unfortunately  created a system where we dont need either to live comfortably , and in this age of human lazy ness , there are plenty willing to take advantage of the system, and to hell with self respect, dignity and honour.

 

Agreed.

Everyone needs a reason to get out of bed; the traditional approach is based on an inner desire as before the creation of the welfare state you either worked, starved or went to the poor house, but scroll on to modern day, some people now need some other persuasion or impetus.

[Walker570]

I had a friend a teacher tell me one day that they would be leaving the profession because they could not teach 90% of a class bcause of behaviour problems and impossible to teach the others because of the disturbance caused by the 90%.

She had kids coming into class after break with pinhole eyes obviously high on drugs. What chance do they have.

You can't blame the kids it is down to the parents.     Pay an allowance for the first born and after that nothing for any others as you must be wealthy enough to sipport additional mouths to feed.

[tonyshooter]

My mum, was chairperson of the governors for 42 years at the school where my sister and myself went to as infants / juniors. She got an MBE for this service from the palace.

Today, the very same school, is almost wholly full of the offspring of the 3rd generation of unemployed breeding machines with 35 year old grand parents stood at the school gates waiting to pick grandkids up at home time.

My sister and myself did well at this school.

How society changes.

 

[GingerCat]

I saw a women in the paper the other day saying she has to eat left overs so her child doesn't go hungry. She was at least 20 stone, what kind of leftovers were they? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

1 hour ago, GingerCat said:

I saw a women in the paper the other day saying she has to eat left overs so her child doesn't go hungry. She was at least 20 stone, what kind of leftovers were they? 

EVERYBODY's!   

[JohnfromUK]

I eat all my 'leftovers'.  If I can't eat it all on day one, I eat again, warmed up, fried, whatever a day or two later.  No sense in wasting.

[Rupert]

There is something to be said for taking a walk around you own perimeter and  looking only within at your own "Republic". If you are happy with your lot you are a rich man. To look beyond can ruin your day really.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[oowee]

4 hours ago, GingerCat said:

 

4 hours ago, GingerCat said:

I saw a women in the paper the other day saying she has to eat left overs so her child doesn't go hungry. She was at least 20 stone, what kind of leftovers were they? 

I saw the same report and thought the same. 

Edited December 24, 2022 by oowee

[Ian willetts]

Talking to a lad the other day he was telling me a couple had been to our local food bank got a number of bags of food.One of the staff from the food bank had gone round to b.m bargains for something and the said couple were at the till with vodka and cans of lager tha staff member went over and in a crowded shop told the couple never come to the food bank again how many more low life’s are doing this 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

10 hours ago, Ian willetts said:

Talking to a lad the other day he was telling me a couple had been to our local food bank got a number of bags of food.One of the staff from the food bank had gone round to b.m bargains for something and the said couple were at the till with vodka and cans of lager tha staff member went over and in a crowded shop told the couple never come to the food bank again how many more low life’s are doing this 

Well done to the Lady from the Food Bank!   

[Rewulf]

On 25/12/2022 at 09:10, Ian willetts said:

how many more low life’s are doing this 

Plenty , the lefties use increased food bank use as an indication of national poverty under the tories.
Its just a load of free loaders and chancers , pulling up outside in their £30 K s worth of car and having a free dinner.

Theres a charity near me , who often leave fruit and veg out once theyve shut, its donated by local shops, when they have an excess.
I once watched a 3 year old X6 pull up outside and a well dressed Asian family get out and put it ALL in their boot, around 6 crates.
Thy didnt need it , they could afford not to take it , but like this incident  https://www.itv.com/news/central/2022-12-19/two-men-appear-to-steal-money-from-charity-fountain-in-nottingham   there are people in this country who see something 'free' and just fill their boots.