Channel migrants

[armsid]

It would be nice if somebody could give us the number of illegals in this country but i hold my breath You will not find terrorists arriving by legal routes and worst of all what weapons they are bringing in it is not only the kids that are ideologised but even some of our own through schools and social media

[12gauge82]

28 minutes ago, armsid said:

 worst of all what weapons they are bringing in 

I should imagine whatever they want, it's already been done several times and that's just the ones we know of, imagine how many we don't know of.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11036899/Channel-migrants-landed-Britain-GUNS-Asylum-seekers-triggered-alerts-security-databases.html

[Gordon R]

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It would be nice if somebody could give us the number of illegals in this country but i hold my breath 

6 million.

[Fargo]

2 hours ago, Weihrauch17 said:

Rioting in Dublin after a Migrant stabbed several people, coming to a town near many of us soon.  The country is stuffed full of people who hate us with a passion.

Soon will be a daily occurrence I am sure. Just wonder what sort of people actually believe we should allow these people here.  

[Penelope]

3 hours ago, Weihrauch17 said:

Rioting in Dublin after a Migrant stabbed several people, coming to a town near many of us soon.  The country is stuffed full of people who hate us with a passion.

Connor McGregor quoted as saying Ireland is at war.

[12gauge82]

8 hours ago, Gordon R said:

6 million.

That's probably more accurate than numbers discussed by government.

[millrace]

Its very obvious the media has been told to focus on the rioters rather than the cause,every report i have seen this morning is pushing the "right wing" hardly a mention of the attack or the perpetrator, have been in this area of dublin recently i can tell you this was a night waiting to happen,the level of hatred ( righty or wrongly) growing among people of ireland is being greatly misjudged by the political elite, i can only imagine this is 10 times worse in england!

Edited November 24, 2023 by millrace

[Penelope]

1 hour ago, millrace said:

Its very obvious the media has been told to focus on the rioters rather than the cause,every report i have seen this morning is pushing the "right wing" hardly a mention of the attack or the perpetrator, have been in this area of dublin recently i can tell you this was a night waiting to happen,the level of hatred ( righty or wrongly) growing among people of irekand is being greatly misjudged by the political elite, i can only imagine this is 10 times worse in england!

That's the narrative the MSM/Governments want to push.

Today's far right was yesterday's liberal.

[Gordon R]

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That's probably more accurate than numbers discussed by government.

I had been waiting for someone to challenge the figure, which would be a bit silly.

[Dave-G]

I know this incident wasn't a gun but its amazing how .gov and media try so hard to limit legally held knives and guns while overlooking the illegal one's being trafficked by boat people.

 

Edited November 24, 2023 by Dave-G

[Ian willetts]

It happened in Hartlepool where a man was murderd by a twice refused asylum seeker mp for the town stood in the House of Commons and said she wants them all removed from her constituency did it happen did it heckers like never heard anything else about it 

2 hours ago, Penelope said:

 

[Penelope]

1 hour ago, Ian willetts said:

It happened in Hartlepool where a man was murderd by a twice refused asylum seeker mp for the town stood in the House of Commons and said she wants them all removed from her constituency did it happen did it heckers like never heard anything else about it 

 

Yes, I  have heard her speech to the Commons.

[Vince Green]

Annoying as it is to see these boat loads of mostly single young men sticking two fingers up at our immigration laws they are not the real problem.

The recently published net migration figures of nearly three quarters of a million people hides another worrying statistic.

A large number of the visas issued each year are for dependents.

So once a person is given refugee status they can apply quite legally by paying £388 for a visa for a family member to come here. And there is NO LIMIT to the number of visas they can apply for.

No test as to whether the applicant or the family member is able to support the dependent family member, in fact no checks at all.

From the first January 2024 we are clamping down on a similar scam that's been operating for dependents of STUDENTS. How ridiculous was that ??

One "so called" student visa and they were able to bring the whole family over. Not any more, but we  still have to be stopping the dependents scam because nobody is talking about it.

Edited November 26, 2023 by Vince Green

[armsid]

When a different race or ethnic person arrives in this country the number of dependants working age or not the cost escalates to feed clothe house and treat them and our population is overwhelmed and starts to decrease making them the majority. Example grey squirells were the immigrant species reds were our native species which is now the dominant species? and it is not red if you ever see one The problem is we cannot deport any one that commits an offence because the woke elite says it violates their uman rights but none of these idiots think of the victims or family because it doesn,t get them in the limelight

[Vince Green]

Another issue with the net migration statistics is the number of visas allegedly issued to 'medical' personnel. 

What they don't say is that the majority of those are not for doctors or nurses. They are for care workers to work in nursing homes and as ward assistants in NHS hospitals. These are unskilled jobs that could easily be done by unemployed British people. 

However you won't see these jobs advertised because the care homes and hospitals don't bother to try and recruit British workers. They know British people don't want to do that sort of work for the money they would get.

So they go to specialist staff agencies that bring people in from places abroad, get them visas etc to fulfil the need for these workers.

Edited November 26, 2023 by Vince Green

[old man]

On 24/11/2023 at 11:04, Dave-G said:

I know this incident wasn't a gun but its amazing how .gov and media try so hard to limit legally held knives and guns while overlooking the illegal one's being trafficked by boat people.

 

Simples maybe, easier to track and control the ones they know about?

[12gauge82]

And another migrant death, plus one in critical condition. More blood on the hands of woke politicians who care more about their image than the lives of desperate people.

[Rewulf]

I found this story interesting.
The plaintiffs are seeking £20000 each in damages, because when they were taken in by border force, they had to give up their phones.
One would have thought that for security reasons, this would need to happen ?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/home-office-channel-boats-migrants-damages-high-court-england-priti-patel-b1126523.html#:~:text=In March 2022%2C three asylum,at migrants crossing the Channel.

Then theres this one from a few years ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/oct/25/asylum-seekers-sue-uk-over-unlawful-detention

“Having made the brave and perilous journey from across the world, in the hope of finding safety and a secure future in a free country, they were instead put into detention centres.”

Thats terrible isnt it , they should have been granted full UK citizenship straight away, given a house, car and all the money they needed for free ?
Whats wrong with this country, surely a 'free country' means everything is free ?

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

I found this story interesting.
The plaintiffs are seeking £20000 each in damages, because when they were taken in by border force, they had to give up their phones.
One would have thought that for security reasons, this would need to happen ?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/home-office-channel-boats-migrants-damages-high-court-england-priti-patel-b1126523.html#:~:text=In March 2022%2C three asylum,at migrants crossing the Channel.

Then theres this one from a few years ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/oct/25/asylum-seekers-sue-uk-over-unlawful-detention

“Having made the brave and perilous journey from across the world, in the hope of finding safety and a secure future in a free country, they were instead put into detention centres.”

Thats terrible isnt it , they should have been granted full UK citizenship straight away, given a house, car and all the money they needed for free ?
Whats wrong with this country, surely a 'free country' means everything is free ?

The whole things a farce from top to bottom and shows just how useless our successive governments have been. This country really does need a change.

[Rewulf]

1 minute ago, 12gauge82 said:

The whole things a farce from top to bottom and shows just how useless our successive governments have been. This country really does need a change.

As much as Id like to see radical change to the way we are 'governed' in the UK , it just isnt going to happen.

You could replace the tories with a party like Reform, give them an 80- seat majority, and you would still have the whole rotten wokey civil service to contend with, lefty councils wasting money on an industrial level, and the labour dominated unions, hell bent on bringing down transport, education and the NHS.

The rot is that far ingrained into British society now, we are probably an incurable case, destined for a major collapse.
The time will come , within our lifetimes, when there will be more people leaching from the social state, than those who are actively contributing into it.
The system is barely sustainable now, and will continue to get worse, until we reach a critical mass, leading to meltdown, and those who rely on state money, will simply stop receiving it, as there will be no more money left.

All it takes is a major recession, a natural disaster , maybe another pandemic, to usher this in faster, but sheer weight of numbers will do it eventually anyway.

[Yellow Bear]

28 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

You could replace the tories with a party like Reform, give them an 80- seat majority, and you would still have the whole rotten wokey civil service to contend with, lefty councils wasting money on an industrial level, and the labour dominated unions, hell bent on bringing down transport, education and the NHS.

The situation in one, however I would say   -   "the union dominated labour party"

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

As much as Id like to see radical change to the way we are 'governed' in the UK , it just isnt going to happen.

You could replace the tories with a party like Reform, give them an 80- seat majority, and you would still have the whole rotten wokey civil service to contend with, lefty councils wasting money on an industrial level, and the labour dominated unions, hell bent on bringing down transport, education and the NHS.

The rot is that far ingrained into British society now, we are probably an incurable case, destined for a major collapse.
The time will come , within our lifetimes, when there will be more people leaching from the social state, than those who are actively contributing into it.
The system is barely sustainable now, and will continue to get worse, until we reach a critical mass, leading to meltdown, and those who rely on state money, will simply stop receiving it, as there will be no more money left.

All it takes is a major recession, a natural disaster , maybe another pandemic, to usher this in faster, but sheer weight of numbers will do it eventually anyway.

Agreed to a point, however in my opinion it would be utter lunacy to continue voting the parties and by default, system that is responsible for all this and thereby giving them legitimacy to continue doing it. What have we got to loose? Even if it improves nothing, at least we're giving two fingers up to the system that has ****** on us all for so long.

[Rewulf]

7 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

Agreed to a point, however in my opinion it would be utter lunacy to continue voting the parties and by default, system that is responsible for all this and thereby giving them legitimacy to continue doing it. What have we got to loose? Even if it improves nothing, at least we're giving two fingers up to the system that has ****** on us all for so long.

Those  2 fingers, via 4 million votes for UKIP , gave us a Brexit referendum, which , against a media and political establishment heavily against leaving, thankfully gave us freedom from the EU.
But what did the system do with the result ?
After nearly 4 years of bluster and calls for a revote, we actually left, and only because the Brexit party threatened to rob the tories of votes, but in reality we are very little further on.

You put your faith in a democratic system in the UK, but its just an illusion, and there is no will to do anything realistic about uncontrolled migration, by anyone, despite what the majority may want.
Even Reform have watered down their proposals, trying to make their politics more palatable to more of the populace.
Like I say, they could have a landslide victory, but what could they actually do , they would have constant attacks from all angles, because the system rums far deeper than any mere government.

Things will get considerably worse before they get better, thats if they ever get better.

[Vince Green]

On 23/11/2023 at 23:57, Penelope said:

Connor McGregor quoted as saying Ireland is at war.

20% of the population of Ireland were not born in Ireland. What they don't say is how many of the remaining 80% are the children of that 20%? Born in Ireland but not ethnically or culturally Irish.

Which means that with an aging Irish population added into the equation the time is rapidly approaching when the Irish could find themselves in the minority.

[ditchman]

58 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

20% of the population of Ireland were not born in Ireland. What they don't say is how many of the remaining 80% are the children of that 20%? Born in Ireland but not ethnically or culturally Irish.

Which means that with an aging Irish population added into the equation the time is rapidly approaching when the Irish could find themselves in the minority.

that includes Shane Macgowan.................he was born in Kent and went to private school for a while in England