Local elections

[Yellow Bear]

4 minutes ago, ditchman said:

clear out all the dross...political but mainly clerical

changed it slightly because they are doing best out of it and there a lot more of them.

[Mice!]

10 hours ago, vmaxphil said:

I'd be interested in your take on how labour is going to solve this mess 👍

I'm not sure Labour has given a single idea on what their plan is, they say they'll win and then the panic will start.

6 hours ago, oowee said:

They can't. All as they can do is stop the slide into the abyss. We simply don't have sufficient productivity or people to support our expectations. The required radical agenda is inedible to the electorate and our FPP system does not allow for consensus politics. 

That's wonderful,  vote Labour but nothing will change 🤣🤣

I really can't see how anyone who works can vote Labour,  you say there are insufficient people, yet there are 100s of thousands who have never worked and don't want to, no surprise who they'll vote for.

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

We are far from a bankrupt country , and no sorry , I don't see this abyss.

Me either, despite working for a living,  there are things that need to change but neither party has the balls to tackle it, but I'm sure Labour would just make things worse.

[oowee]

52 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Euro and dollar values are the same now as before brexit, so I'm not sure how that works, maybe you should have had a little faith in the pound and not sold at the wrong time ?

Since the United Kingdom (UK) held a referendum on its European Union membership in June 2016, the British pound (GBP) weakened against the euro. From a high of 1.43 at the end of Nov 2015, the GBP to EUR exchange rate has remained below 1.2 since July 2016, sitting at 1.11 as of October 2020. By May 3, 2024, values had reached 1.17 euros per pound.

4 minutes ago, Mice! said:

Me either, despite working for a living,  there are things that need to change but neither party has the balls to tackle it, but I'm sure Labour would just make things worse.

Every service is under funded (police, army, education, NHS, legal services, social care, tax offices, transport the list is endless). We are all paying record taxes. We are spending vastly more than we are earning. 

It's the electorate that wont vote for something that makes them worse off. Either party could sort the problem but neither of them can do it alone. 

[ditchman]

9 hours ago, amateur said:

Isn't it their plan to replace him whether Starmer slips up or not.

Starmer is just the stalking horse.

please explain who for ?

something that hasnt been mentioned is "MOMENTUM"............there are thousands upon thousands of useless feckless brainless..students out there who......instead of studying ..they are spending their time toking up and going on demo's....for a day out......

watch where they place their vote.........dont forget they nearly brought Corbyn to power..

 

this election is going to be very very messy...just watch

[johnphilip]

Be rude not to share 

[Mice!]

1 hour ago, oowee said:

Every service is under funded (police, army, education, NHS, legal services, social care, tax offices, transport the list is endless). We are all paying record taxes. We are spending vastly more than we are earning. 

It's the electorate that wont vote for something that makes them worse off. Either party could sort the problem but neither of them can do it alone. 

I'll agree that all services are under pressure,  and they will be with more and more people arriving daily, that needs to be stopped,  yet the left block everything, I dread to think what's coming if they get in.

I'd say the parties can't sort things because they are constantly trying to undermine each other.

[enfieldspares]

On 03/05/2024 at 14:59, rbrowning2 said:

you do know labour are very anti gun ownership.

It was the Tories took my self-loading rifles, the Tories that required production of your SGC to purchase shotgun cartridges, the Tories that took my pistols, the Tories that required an applicant produce two referees, the Tories that imposed compulsory medical certification, the Tories that raised s58 revolvers in .44 Russian, .442 Webley and similar vintage centefire calibres to s5 category.

So yes I can see why you think that Labour are anti-gun ownership and the Tories aren't. A very easy mistake to make. Unless you've been asleep the last thirty-five years.

[oowee]

9 minutes ago, Mice! said:

 

I'd say the parties can't sort things because they are constantly trying to undermine each other.

Why do you think they do that? 

In my view with our FPP voting system there is simply no merit it trying to work together. Each side has to undermine the other to get the votes. The public will not vote for reality. 

More people paying tax and less services being provided. 

1 minute ago, enfieldspares said:

It was the Tories took my self-loading rifles, the Tories that required production of your SGC to purchase shotgun cartridges, the Tories that took my pistols, the Tories that required an applicant produce two referees, the Tories that imposed compulsory medical certification, the Tories that raised s58 revolvers in .44 Russian, .442 Webley and similar vintage centefire calibres to s5 category.

So yes I can see why you think that Labour are anti-gun ownership and the Tories aren't. A very easy mistake to make. Unless you've been asleep the last thirty-five years.

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[12gauge82]

All this shows for me is neither party are suitable. Reform are the only party who are going to offer radical change and I say it's high time we as a country need to try something different. The tories are finished at the general election anyway, so voting for them is a wasted vote.

[Mice!]

30 minutes ago, enfieldspares said:

It was the Tories took my self-loading rifles, the Tories that required production of your SGC to purchase shotgun cartridges, the Tories that took my pistols, the Tories that required an applicant produce two referees, the Tories that imposed compulsory medical certification, the Tories that raised s58 revolvers in .44 Russian, .442 Webley and similar vintage centefire calibres to s5 category.

So yes I can see why you think that Labour are anti-gun ownership and the Tories aren't. A very easy mistake to make. Unless you've been asleep the last thirty-five years.

And I'm sure all those changes came in because of the reaction caused by events, Hungerford,  Dunblane and it was the Tories who were in power, I see no issue with producing your SGC when buying ammunition.

As for the S5 🤷‍♂️ I've no idea, is it that big a deal, Labour would be happy with nobody shooting at all.

[rbrowning2]

39 minutes ago, enfieldspares said:

It was the Tories took my self-loading rifles, the Tories that required production of your SGC to purchase shotgun cartridges, the Tories that took my pistols, the Tories that required an applicant produce two referees, the Tories that imposed compulsory medical certification, the Tories that raised s58 revolvers in .44 Russian, .442 Webley and similar vintage centefire calibres to s5 category.

So yes I can see why you think that Labour are anti-gun ownership and the Tories aren't. A very easy mistake to make. Unless you've been asleep the last thirty-five years.

It was blair that put the final nail in the coffin for the pistol ban by including .22

Gun control

In the wake of Dunblane and Hungerford, it is clear that only the strictest firearms laws can provide maximum safety. The Conservatives failed to offer the protection required. Labour led the call for an outright ban on all handguns in general civilian use. There will be legislation to allow individual MPs a free vote for a complete ban on handguns.

Labour is the party of law and order in Britain today

 

Matters not who is in Government.

 

 

 

[enfieldspares]

30 minutes ago, Mice! said:

And I'm sure all those changes came in because of the reaction caused by events, Hungerford,  Dunblane and it was the Tories who were in power, I see no issue with producing your SGC when buying ammunition.

And in 1978 when Barry Williams an FAC holder shot dead five in the West Midlands when there was a Labour Government? Did they introduce changes because of the reaction caused by events? No. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Williams_(spree_killer)

[armsid]

The only way to stop us falling into the ¬abyss" is to stop the boats, stop giving money to people that refuse to work sort out the system where someone from abroad who is seeking asylum is  convicted of a crime cannot be returned to their own or the country they arrived from because of uman rights(they lost that right when they committed a crime) get us back to making things to sell to the world instead of minimum  wage jobs producing nothing but big macs sort out the NHS and all its problems have a tax system where any one earning money in this country pays tax here not some offshore island in the west indies used as a tax haven to avoid it tax benifits as some people as stated in D Mail this week was getting £1300.00 a month after housing costs he will never get a job while he is receiving this amount he is also not paying tax or NI so OOWEE what is your solution?

[enfieldspares]

42 minutes ago, rbrowning2 said:

It was blair that put the final nail in the coffin for the pistol ban by including .22

Read what the Tory Firearms Act enacted vis a vis the .22 pistol? It was a de facto outright ban with pistols restricted to a select few...with the pistols kept a secure ranges and never allowed to be removed from there save in very exceptional circumstances. But because the Tory ban was not, as you correctly say, a de jure ban that removed an obligation to pay compulsory compensation. Labour's ban being a de jure ban obliged the government to pay full and wide ranging compensation including items that even though they would have become useless were excluded from the Tory compensation scheme.

I do not gainsay that Labour has in the past enacted or proposed legislation that was "anti gun" but I do wish that this myth that the Tories are the "friends of shooting" was long ago put to rest. They are not...and who were in Government when the proposal was made to transfer a proposed EU lead shot ban into UK law? The husband of Princess Nut Nuts and mate of anti-trophy hunting unelected Lord Zac Goldsmith. Her below:

Edited May 4 by enfieldspares

[Rewulf]

3 hours ago, oowee said:

ince the United Kingdom (UK) held a referendum on its European Union membership in June 2016, the British pound (GBP) weakened against the euro. From a high of 1.43 at the end of Nov 2015, the GBP to EUR exchange rate has remained below 1.2 since July 2016, sitting at 1.11 as of October 2020. By May 3, 2024, values had reached 1.17 euros per pound

Very selective in your assessment there, the euro was only at 1.43 for a couple of months in 2015 , previous to that it was sub 1.20 or lower for several years prior

 

[amateur]

3 hours ago, ditchman said:

please explain who for ?

something that hasnt been mentioned is "MOMENTUM"............there are thousands upon thousands of useless feckless brainless..students out there who......instead of studying ..they are spending their time toking up and going on demo's....for a day out......

watch where they place their vote.........dont forget they nearly brought Corbyn to power..

 

this election is going to be very very messy...just watch

Why your pinup girl of course

[Mice!]

51 minutes ago, enfieldspares said:

And in 1978 when Barry Williams an FAC holder shot dead five in the West Midlands when there was a Labour Government? Did they introduce changes because of the reaction caused by events? No. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Williams_(spree_killer)

Maybe because it was 1978? I was only just walking and I've never even heard of this one, maybe something should have been done, I realise there was a lot of bad feelings around the handgun ban, but given what happened something had to be done. 

Look at the number of mass shootings in the USA, I'm very glad we're not in that situation. 

58 minutes ago, armsid said:

The only way to stop us falling into the ¬abyss" is to stop the boats, stop giving money to people that refuse to work sort out the system where someone from abroad who is seeking asylum is  convicted of a crime cannot be returned to their own or the country they arrived from because of uman rights(they lost that right when they committed a crime) get us back to making things to sell to the world instead of minimum  wage jobs producing nothing but big macs sort out the NHS and all its problems have a tax system where any one earning money in this country pays tax here not some offshore island in the west indies used as a tax haven to avoid it tax benifits as some people as stated in D Mail this week was getting £1300.00 a month after housing costs he will never get a job while he is receiving this amount he is also not paying tax or NI so OOWEE what is your solution?

I'd vote for that 👍

[Genghis]

3 hours ago, enfieldspares said:

It was the Tories took my self-loading rifles, the Tories that required production of your SGC to purchase shotgun cartridges, the Tories that took my pistols, the Tories that required an applicant produce two referees, the Tories that imposed compulsory medical certification, the Tories that raised s58 revolvers in .44 Russian, .442 Webley and similar vintage centefire calibres to s5 category.

So yes I can see why you think that Labour are anti-gun ownership and the Tories aren't. A very easy mistake to make. Unless you've been asleep the last thirty-five years.

Most of the Conservative politicians who were serving in the aftermaths of Dunblane and Hungerford are now either retired or dead.

 

I don’t think that antibody thinks that the conservatives are ‘friends of shooting’, but it’s factual that Labour are the party who have pushed for tighter restrictions post-Keyham.

[enfieldspares]

1 hour ago, Mice! said:

Maybe because it was 1978?

 👍

No. The Tory Government in 1973 proposed further controls on gun ownership. The infamous Green Paper of that year. However shortly afterwards the Tories were out beaten by Harold Wilson's Labour Government and effectively any last hope for the Green Paper was consigned to the rubbish basket. But there can be little doubt that had the Williams shootings taken place with a Tory Government and Home Secretary that it would have been revived.

https://www.nytimes.com/1973/05/10/archives/britain-proposes-tighter-controls-on-weapons.html

So it is always the "same old". The Tory Party in Government have not been the friends of shooting some see them as. Here's Tory Peer Lord Swansea's words on his own party's paper I referred to.

https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/lords/1973/oct/23/firearms-control

So be of no doubt as far back as 1973 we see anti-gun Tory Governments.

 

[enfieldspares]

22 minutes ago, Genghis said:

Most of the Conservative politicians who were serving in the aftermaths of Dunblane and Hungerford are now either retired or dead.

No they are not! Hurd and Hogg...1988 Act are in the House of Lords. Howard....1996 Act also. Widdecombe...1996 is the newest rent a gob for GB News. Pity them for that.

As my late mother, married at age twenty-one and a War Widow at age twenty-three said of Miss Widdecombe "Anyone who takes lessons in life from a seventy year old virgin is a fool."

So all four main players Home Secretary and their "Junior" from 1988 and 1996 respectively are either still in Parliament or in television "politics".

[Robden]

8 hours ago, armsid said:

The only way to stop us falling into the ¬abyss" is to stop the boats, stop giving money to people that refuse to work sort out the system where someone from abroad who is seeking asylum is  convicted of a crime cannot be returned to their own or the country they arrived from because of uman rights(they lost that right when they committed a crime) get us back to making things to sell to the world instead of minimum  wage jobs producing nothing but big macs sort out the NHS and all its problems have a tax system where any one earning money in this country pays tax here not some offshore island in the west indies used as a tax haven to avoid it tax benifits as some people as stated in D Mail this week was getting £1300.00 a month after housing costs he will never get a job while he is receiving this amount he is also not paying tax or NI so OOWEE what is your solution?

Yeah, but apart from that.................

[rbrowning2]

any party when in power will do as they please regarding gun control if they think it will help win them another term in power. They know where we are they know we are weak, never unite together to push back.

NRA of America we are not.

 

[enfieldspares]

5 hours ago, rbrowning2 said:

any party when in power will do as they please regarding gun control if they think it will help win them another term in power. They know where we are they know we are weak, never unite together to push back.

NRA of America we are not.

 

This. 110% this. There are still some naively think that the Tory Party when in Government are "the friends of shooting". They are not and to a Conservative Prime Minister if political advantage dictates that shooting is thrown under the bus so be it.

Edited May 5 by enfieldspares

[Yellow Bear]

14 minutes ago, enfieldspares said:

This. 110% this. There are still some naively think that the Tory Party when in Government are "the friends of shooting". They are not and to a Conservative Prime Minister if political advantage dictates that shooting is thrown under the bus so be it.

200% certain labour will do it, because you shoot you are automatically a Toff and therefore "the enemy" in their perceived class war.

[JohnfromUK]

16 hours ago, Mice! said:

I'll agree that all services (police, army, education, NHS, legal services, social care, tax offices, transport the list is endless) are under pressure

It is true they are under pressure.  However, all of those are sort of state monopolies - I know a few small parts in some areas can be funded privately, but basically you are talking about large Gov't departments.

The problem here is that they need to be under some pressure to perform.  If you are free with funding the service will 'bloat', but the taxpayers won't get any more for their money.  It's a fine line, but throwing more money at things is not a good answer.  'Productivity and efficiency' are what needs to grow, not just spending.

Edited May 5 by JohnfromUK