Farage

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, JKD said:

 

Please read my reply to ooowweeeee 14 hours ago 🥳😂

Yes very good. However, you asked 🤓

[old man]

On 04/06/2024 at 12:53, oowee said:

I don't doubt he has been an MEP longer but he has done nothing whilst in the role other than collect a pay check. He has not produced anything.

My point being that he is all bluff and bluster ala BJ. Sit him down and go through the detail and he is a vacuous individual. He needs someone to translate thought into delivery.

 

How does that make him different.?

[Dave-G]

A vote for Farage is a kick up the rear for ConLab

[Gordon R]

Dave-G - I think that sums it up nicely. He ought to be an MP just to remind the rest that their snouts are in the trough for reasons other than their own pockets.

[JKD]

53 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

Yes very good. However, you asked 🤓

Yes I did, but it was a bit tongue in cheek really 😅

Personally, I think the Off Topic section should be like an open fac,,,, anything goes, then the mods wouldn't have to keep locking threads 😆

[Penelope]

35 minutes ago, JKD said:

Yes I did, but it was a bit tongue in cheek really 😅

Personally, I think the Off Topic section should be like an open fac,,,, anything goes, then the mods wouldn't have to keep locking threads 😆

👍

[12gauge82]

2 hours ago, JKD said:

Yes I did, but it was a bit tongue in cheek really 😅

Personally, I think the Off Topic section should be like an open fac,,,, anything goes, then the mods wouldn't have to keep locking threads 😆

😂👍

[ditchman]

i disagree....i rekon the mods have it right..........some threads go off piste and need to be locked,,(im proberly one of the worst members for derailing threads)

if these threads wernt locked it would be a bloody bun fight

[JKD]

1 minute ago, ditchman said:

i disagree....i rekon the mods have it right..........some threads go off piste and need to be locked,,(im proberly one of the worst members for derailing threads)

if these threads wernt locked it would be a bloody bun fight

I was jesting 😆 Some threads gently swerve off course, some violently off course. Sometimes it just needs a gentle nudge, sometimes a padlock 🫣😂

[ditchman]

7 minutes ago, JKD said:

I was jesting 😆 Some threads gently swerve off course, some violently off course. Sometimes it just needs a gentle nudge, sometimes a padlock 🫣😂

[JKD]

1 minute ago, ditchman said:

Just to keep things on track,,,, NF told me to say those things 🤓🤠😅

[12gauge82]

I watched the political debate last night. Farage was the only one who would answer a straight question and give specific detail as to what he wants to do and how he'd go about it. Greens, snp and plaid cymu seemed completely and utterly out of touch with the issues that affect most people. Labour and Tories spent the entire time blaming each other for the state of the country and made the same old promises about how they were going to change things for the better, but without giving any credible answers as to exactly how they would achieve it, which is laughable considering both parties have had all the time to do it and are both responsible for the mess we're in.

 

[ditchman]

30 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

I watched the political debate last night. Farage was the only one who would answer a straight question and give specific detail as to what he wants to do and how he'd go about it. Greens, snp and plaid cymu seemed completely and utterly out of touch with the issues that affect most people. Labour and Tories spent the entire time blaming each other for the state of the country and made the same old promises about how they were going to change things for the better, but without giving any credible answers as to exactly how they would achieve it, which is laughable considering both parties have had all the time to do it and are both responsible for the mess we're in.

 

i watched most of it as well.............it was awful.......the audience were very left wing...and the presenter was biased in the control and interjection....

[JohnfromUK]

23 minutes ago, ditchman said:

i watched most of it as well.............it was awful.......the audience were very left wing...and the presenter was biased in the control and interjection....

I watched some of it.  No one 'appealed to me' as suitable for Government.  Some were worse than others. 

My main takes were that Penny Mordaunt had 'nothing to loose', so was fairly vocal.  Angela Rayner was relatively muted, as she has a lot to loose.  Green and LibDem seemed out of their depth.  Scot Nat and Plaid Cymru are not of interest to me (I'm not in their countries, they are not on my ballot paper) and Farage was his usual 'one man band playing the same old tune'.

[Yellow Bear]

2 hours ago, ditchman said:

i watched most of it as well.............it was awful.......the audience were very left wing...and the presenter was biased in the control and interjection....

Started to watch but rapidly came to the same conclusion and binned it.   Hardly surprising tho' as it was a biased broadcasting crowd production.

[Mice!]

2 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

I watched some of it.  No one 'appealed to me' as suitable for Government.  Some were worse than others. 

My main takes were that Penny Mordaunt had 'nothing to loose', so was fairly vocal.  Angela Rayner was relatively muted, as she has a lot to loose.  Green and LibDem seemed out of their depth.  Scot Nat and Plaid Cymru are not of interest to me (I'm not in their countries, they are not on my ballot paper) and Farage was his usual 'one man band playing the same old tune'.

That's what I thought after a few minutes of what was on the news,  and what was AR wearing 😅😅 if you can't take someone seriously then they only spout rubbish you very quickly make an opinion. 

[12gauge82]

2 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

I watched some of it.  No one 'appealed to me' as suitable for Government.  Some were worse than others. 

My main takes were that Penny Mordaunt had 'nothing to loose', so was fairly vocal.  Angela Rayner was relatively muted, as she has a lot to loose.  Green and LibDem seemed out of their depth.  Scot Nat and Plaid Cymru are not of interest to me (I'm not in their countries, they are not on my ballot paper) and Farage was his usual 'one man band playing the same old tune'.

The same old tune because the country has the same old problems that neither Labour or the Conservatives will ever tackle.

3 hours ago, ditchman said:

i watched most of it as well.............it was awful.......the audience were very left wing...and the presenter was biased in the control and interjection....

Totally agree.

[JohnfromUK]

1 minute ago, 12gauge82 said:

The same old tune because the country has the same old problems that neither Labour or the Conservatives will ever tackle.

I agree with much of what he says, but as I say - one man band again.  IF he's to have any chance of a future government, he needs to field a credible team, all of whom are on his agenda, and all taking part in debates, interviews, policy making etc.

As it is now, he will get votes, but he won't get MPs.  He might win a seat himself, but that's probably all. 

What is more likely is that he will increase Starmer's majority (I think we are all agreed that Starmer will be the next PM) and make it more likely that Brexit will be undone, immigration is given soft acceptance and a whole range of other unpalatable things (to both Farage and I) get an easy passage though the Commons.

If he wants to be taken seriously, come up with a serious proper party team that could realistically be seen to be a credible government in waiting - not play will I/won't I stand games and stand in the end to have a bit of a pop at others and a lot of publicity and air time.

On a different note, as always Labour have to have their manifesto 'approved' by the Unions, and I see that Unite are withholding approval as it apparently doesn't go far enough on industrial relations reform.

[12gauge82]

40 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

I agree with much of what he says, but as I say - one man band again.  IF he's to have any chance of a future government, he needs to field a credible team, all of whom are on his agenda, and all taking part in debates, interviews, policy making etc.

As it is now, he will get votes, but he won't get MPs.  He might win a seat himself, but that's probably all. 

What is more likely is that he will increase Starmer's majority (I think we are all agreed that Starmer will be the next PM) and make it more likely that Brexit will be undone, immigration is given soft acceptance and a whole range of other unpalatable things (to both Farage and I) get an easy passage though the Commons.

If he wants to be taken seriously, come up with a serious proper party team that could realistically be seen to be a credible government in waiting - not play will I/won't I stand games and stand in the end to have a bit of a pop at others and a lot of publicity and air time.

On a different note, as always Labour have to have their manifesto 'approved' by the Unions, and I see that Unite are withholding approval as it apparently doesn't go far enough on industrial relations reform.

I can't disagree with reform not being anywhere big enough to offer serious opposition, yet!

But the Conservatives are finished, they flip flopped and eventually delivered a half baked reluctant brexit, have done nothing for working people, run down the NHS, allowed rampant disorder on our streets, with the police unfit for purpose, allowed utterly uncontrolled illegal migration. To be honest I struggle to think of anything they've done well.

A vote for Conservative is simply a vote for more of the same old Torie lies and is a wasted vote. 

Labour is getting in and we need a new opposition party, the only party currently out there that fits the bill is Reform and if they get enough support at this election, it will either force Torie party reform, or the Reform party will eventually get in themselves.

I find it utterly baffling why anyone at this point would vote Conservative, they might as well vote Labour.

[JohnfromUK]

2 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

I find it utterly baffling why anyone at this point would vote Conservative

I live in a very 'safe' Tory seat, and have in the past voted for the Tory candidate - because he was a good MP (and also good for fieldsports).  However - he retired (and has since died) and I'm not fond of the new MP who I suspect is at best luke warm on fieldsports/shooting. 

I have voted Brexit party in the past (in non - UK parliamentary elections) - and I may do so again because it sends a message.

I agree with what you say on the recent government's (lack of) performance and agree a shake up is needed.  But at present there is no way Reform could form a functioning Government (and it is impossibly unlikely they would get a majority at present).

I also think that giving Labour a huge majority is fraught with danger.  Starmer could very easily be replaced by a serious left wing leader (Labour's leadership election procedure has form on this) and the need for Starmer to have his manifesto 'approved' by the Unions reminds us that the strings are being held (if not currently pulled much) by the Party machine, not MPs.  "Unite" want Starmer replaced and they have a lot of power over who gets elected to lead the party.

Reform and Tories both have around 20% I think, but the Tories are likely to win 100+ seats - whereas Reform may only win a small handful if they are very lucky.  It is the way the dice are loaded.  Therefore to have a credible opposition to Labour will need some tactical voting and as of now - my mind in my constituency is not made up.

[Stonepark]

People are regulary quoting Farage as a "one man band" and that there is not team behind him, I would beg to differ.

Nigel, is however the only one who gets 'Airtime', all the rest, the mainstream media ignores unless someone finds a less than flattering "tweet", as they actively seek to disenfranchise voters.

Currently Reform UK have 619 candidates standing, full set of organisers/agents, support staff albeit running on a shoe string budget and more supporters joining every day.

Reform UK is still not invited to most hustings, tv debates, etc as we have no "track record", well 10 million of the 17 million Brexit voters, potentially voting for Reform this time, might just change that.

 

I personally think the pollsters have yet to catch up on what is happening (remember they poll normally people already on their data base who are interested in politics), instead like Brexit, a ground swell of non-political normal people who just want to get on with their life and have government and councils do what they promised are signalling they will be voting for Reform UK.

Pollsters still seem to be thinking that the right of the Tory party who are being abandoned are somehow going to vote Labour and Libdem instead of Tories, looking at the polls, Conservatives down, Labour up, yet the Tory left (equivalent of Blairite rihgt in Labour) and represented by Sunak and co is going down in flames as true conservatives leave in droves.

The Tory right who are disenchanted are going to vote for Reform UK.

 

[12gauge82]

2 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

I live in a very 'safe' Tory seat, and have in the past voted for the Tory candidate - because he was a good MP (and also good for fieldsports).  However - he retired (and has since died) and I'm not fond of the new MP who I suspect is at best luke warm on fieldsports/shooting. 

I have voted Brexit party in the past (in non - UK parliamentary elections) - and I may do so again because it sends a message.

I agree with what you say on the recent government's (lack of) performance and agree a shake up is needed.  But at present there is no way Reform could form a functioning Government (and it is impossibly unlikely they would get a majority at present).

I also think that giving Labour a huge majority is fraught with danger.  Starmer could very easily be replaced by a serious left wing leader (Labour's leadership election procedure has form on this) and the need for Starmer to have his manifesto 'approved' by the Unions reminds us that the strings are being held (if not currently pulled much) by the Party machine, not MPs.  "Unite" want Starmer replaced and they have a lot of power over who gets elected to lead the party.

Reform and Tories both have around 20% I think, but the Tories are likely to win 100+ seats - whereas Reform may only win a small handful if they are very lucky.  It is the way the dice are loaded.  Therefore to have a credible opposition to Labour will need some tactical voting and as of now - my mind in my constituency is not made up.

In a nutshell what your saying is the game is rigged and therfore anyone who's centralist or right of centre has got to vote Conservative. I would suggest all that strategy does is play directly into the hands of those that have got the game rigged.

The only way to change the game is to not play it, which is why I'm voting reform and if the majority of Conservative voters did the same, the entire political system of this country would be changed for ever, with the win being for the vast majority of the country. We'll never get change voting the same old faces in to step on us.

[ditchman]

am i the only person who thought last nights political debate looked like and episode of the"Weakest Link"

if that ole scrag bag anne robinson..(who is inserdently humping cammillas ex hubby) had been there it would have been perfect...

 

PS what is it with these old people rutting like oversexed dogs ....jesus christ murdock is on number 5 now....what bloody pills are they on................i couldnt do sex anymore i have an ingrowing toenail.............(shouldnt have let sarah ferguson suck it)

[amateur]

21 minutes ago, ditchman said:

am i the only person who thought last nights political debate looked like and episode of the"Weakest Link"

if that ole scrag bag anne robinson..(who is inserdently humping cammillas ex hubby) had been there it would have been perfect...

 

PS what is it with these old people rutting like oversexed dogs ....jesus christ murdock is on number 5 now....what bloody pills are they on................i couldnt do sex anymore i have an ingrowing toenail.............(shouldnt have let sarah ferguson suck it)

MITWN

[ditchman]

1 hour ago, amateur said:

MITWN

is that a codeword for something ?

i didnt work at Bletchly park unfortunatly